The 2015 Radical Movement stands by fhtagn!

[Former President tack50]

While discussing the outcome of yesterday's federal election on Discord, a disturbing screenshot from somewhere leaked by dfw flew under everyone's radar at the time, but I have noticed its danger and I think it's important to discuss it.



I am pretty sure the Radical movement also found what they did circa June 2015 to be "sending a loud and clear message" and to be very satisfying. However, as later proven, the Radicals were the bad guys in this story and Atlasia has kept running until our days.

If fhtagn (that's who Ms Worldwide is I believe) wants to start a new radical movement and plot the destruction of Atlasia, go ahead. But she must know one thing: "Terrorism against this nation will not stand". Atlasia has defeated much tougher and larger movements before, and if need be terrorists against Atlasia will be defeated again.

I will also add that this is not a partisan concern. That same screenshot exonerates Louisville Thunder (and a brave anonymous user I guess), who I think would reject said movement to destroy Atlasia. I can also think of other conservatives who would not let Atlasia go down. Just like the Radicals were defeated with a mostly bipartisan coalition, if a new movement to destroy Atlasia emerges I hope said movement is defeated regardless of party labels.

I can only hope this is just the anger of the moment and not actually a threat that will be followed through. But just in case we should remain vigilant.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

Ah sh**t, here we go again.

[lfromnj]

Again I took a break from Atlasia and I am determined to compete but something needs to be done to make the game more interesting in general. Its why I voted for John Dule this election, his thread was probably the first time since August that I seriously paid attention to Atlasia because its so funny. I argued a few months back for some crises or something made by the Gm's but nothing happened. I really want something to happen. Perhaps Lumine or something could even make the GM's make two  possible articles that would hurt either side of atlasia and a random generator would choose the article?

Because lets be serious in the end, you can't force a player to play and fhtagn has been a good and important part of this game and we don't want her to go.

[fhtagn]

Everyone I don't like is a terrorist...

[At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder]

Tack is correct about this. I don't care which party you're in. This game can only work if we accept the fact that we have elections and sometimes we win and sometimes we lose. That's the social contract we all should abide by so that all Atlasians can enjoy the game through the many different ways you can be active.

Acting out in this manner also fundamentally gives the left more of what it wants and it serves to justify their behavior regarding their electioneering and governing tactics. Even under this kind of electorate, we shouldn't have gotten crushed like this--getting below 4 house seats. Atlasia has now elected a government that can amend the Constitution to the will of Adam Griffin and the Labor Party, and they can use the more unsavory rhetoric and behavior on the right to justify passing things that actually would make the game more unfair for right wingers. We messed up this time, and I'm sure at some point the right will win again but our actions now will determine how long it will take.

The right can serve as a valuable ideologically motivated opposition that competes fairly. Honestly, wanting to give up like this after only losing a few elections just makes us on the right look weak. I know it feels bad to know that we're a "permanent" minority on the forum, but if we just resort to crawling back into a safe space. Our strength has always been rooted in our resilience and ability to show that we are not crazy and radical. Acting like this only makes weaker and less likely to win elections in the near future, and I enjoy winning elections in Atlasia more than wallowing in an echo chamber. I guess that may make me crazy to some, but I want my old game back. We can and should stand on principle, but these principles also include preserving institutions that are worthwhile and good for society. This is what conservatism should mean. It doesn't mean throwing tantrums until the left plows through to total victory in removing a particular institution or winning on an issue only to then go onto reacting against the next thing on the let's agenda. This is how the real life Republican Party generally operates, and what attracts me to the Federalist Party here is that we present an alternative to this sort of mindset. That has been our recipe for success for years and it has kept us relevant and able to get new people to join and actually play the game as it is intended to be played even when we lost many of our elections. We are in danger of losing it all if we don't correct our course.

I stand by my rejection of any attempts to destroy the game because I don't believe in surrendering, and that is surrendering. I don't care about who I call out. Radicalism is radicalism.

[fhtagn]

tfw you make jokes and people act dumb and go crazy over it

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


If I wanted to actually destroy the game via mass exodus, I wouldn't have run for office or helped others who were running. But I get it, logic is hard for some folks. 

[FairBol]

Ah, don't start this BS again.  It's paranoia at best, and an attempt to stifle dissenting views at worst.  I mean, come on....now we're going to condemn someone merely because a few of us....SUSPECT that they might have a clone/sock? "Red Scare" anyone? Hey Fhtagn, "are you now, or have you ever been"...a member of the Federalist Party? LOL. 

BTW.....

"terrorists suck" -- The Left

"I support ANTIFA" -- Also The Left

Just saying. 

[Terry the Fat Shark]

Ah, don't start this BS again.  It's paranoia at best, and an attempt to stifle dissenting views at worst.  I mean, come on....now we're going to condemn someone merely because a few of us....SUSPECT that they might have a clone/sock? "Red Scare" anyone? Hey Fhtagn, "are you now, or have you ever been"...a member of the Federalist Party? LOL. 

BTW.....

"terrorists suck" -- The Left

"I support ANTIFA" -- Also The Left

Just saying. 

actually she's not a federalist

[fhtagn]

If we want to go into what is or is not actually destroying the game, we have prominent lefties who have openly admitted that this should be an elections simulator purely based on personality rather than policy.

If people want this game to be simply an elections simulator, there is no need for Atlasia to exist, because the same can be achieved via "Opinion of" threads and "Forum Community Election Matchups" threads. There's no point in having the Atlas Fantasy Government board if this is only about elections.  

We know for a fact that it's not good for the game based on the large number of posters this game has lost over the years (on both sides) who simply didn't want to be spammed with election PMs, and older Atlas posters just calling this game a popularity contest.

[lfromnj]

If we want to go into what is or is not actually destroying the game, we have prominent lefties who have openly admitted that this should be an elections simulator purely based on personality rather than policy.

If people want this game to be simply an elections simulator, there is no need for Atlasia to exist, because the same can be achieved via "Opinion of" threads and "Forum Community Election Matchups" threads. There's no point in having the Atlas Fantasy Government board if this is only about elections.  

We know for a fact that it's not good for the game purely based on the large number of posters this game has lost over the years (on both sides) who simply didn't want to be spammed with election PMs, and older Atlas posters just calling this game a popularity contest.

I agree. The elections are kinda fun. But the policy? Useless and boring
 It's almost as if I want to run and then just zombie vote.

[Dr. MB]

fhtagn why do you take everything so seriously when the left does it but when anyone on the right does it you pass it off as a joke? Double standards maybe?

[Devout Centrist]

I know emotions are running high after this weekend's election. Whatever your feelings, it's incumbent upon us, as the victors, to be magnanimous in victory and for those who lost to be gracious in defeat

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Again I took a break from Atlasia and I am determined to compete but something needs to be done to make the game more interesting in general. Its why I voted for John Dule this election, his thread was probably the first time since August that I seriously paid attention to Atlasia because its so funny. I argued a few months back for some crises or something made by the Gm's but nothing happened. I really want something to happen. Perhaps Lumine or something could even make the GM's make two  possible articles that would hurt either side of atlasia and a random generator would choose the article?

There were always aspects of multiple tickets that appealed to me and this is the reason right here.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Tack is correct about this. I don't care which party you're in. This game can only work if we accept the fact that we have elections and sometimes we win and sometimes we lose. That's the social contract we all should abide by so that all Atlasians can enjoy the game through the many different ways you can be active.

Acting out in this manner also fundamentally gives the left more of what it wants and it serves to justify their behavior regarding their electioneering and governing tactics. Even under this kind of electorate, we shouldn't have gotten crushed like this--getting below 4 house seats. Atlasia has now elected a government that can amend the Constitution to the will of Adam Griffin and the Labor Party, and they can use the more unsavory rhetoric and behavior on the right to justify passing things that actually would make the game more unfair for right wingers. We messed up this time, and I'm sure at some point the right will win again but our actions now will determine how long it will take.

The right can serve as a valuable ideologically motivated opposition that competes fairly. Honestly, wanting to give up like this after only losing a few elections just makes us on the right look weak. I know it feels bad to know that we're a "permanent" minority on the forum, but if we just resort to crawling back into a safe space. Our strength has always been rooted in our resilience and ability to show that we are not crazy and radical. Acting like this only makes weaker and less likely to win elections in the near future, and I enjoy winning elections in Atlasia more than wallowing in an echo chamber. I guess that may make me crazy to some, but I want my old game back. We can and should stand on principle, but these principles also include preserving institutions that are worthwhile and good for society. This is what conservatism should mean. It doesn't mean throwing tantrums until the left plows through to total victory in removing a particular institution or winning on an issue only to then go onto reacting against the next thing on the let's agenda. This is how the real life Republican Party generally operates, and what attracts me to the Federalist Party here is that we present an alternative to this sort of mindset. That has been our recipe for success for years and it has kept us relevant and able to get new people to join and actually play the game as it is intended to be played even when we lost many of our elections. We are in danger of losing it all if we don't correct our course.

I stand by my rejection of any attempts to destroy the game because I don't believe in surrendering, and that is surrendering. I don't care about who I call out. Radicalism is radicalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD3DdskaPhs

[Former President tack50]

For what's worth the "Atlasia is a bad government/elections simulator" has been around basically forever. It was already around in the 2015 discussions (though it was of course nowhere near the only topic, or even the main one):

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=215504.0

In fact, some of those posts are still applicable today; I am even tempted to draw a TNF -> fhtagn comparison

Thankfully we are nowhere near a July 2015-like situation, as a simple look to the threads back then proves.

Anyways, back on point. The very simple truth of the matter is that the GM system in Atlasia is extremely broken, as lfromnj rightly points out. Not only that but it has been broken for at least a decade.  For an idea of scale, Yankee is literally the only active player from that long ago! Some GMs have been better than others, but overall the GM system harms the government simulation part at the very least. Meanwhile the electoral simulation is always going to devolve into a popularity contest of some sort inevitably. The only proposal I have seen that doesn't run into this problem is GM simulated elections, which literally no one in Atlasia wants.

However it is still disturbing to see an elected officeholder (the "de facto" House minority leader no less!) advocate for dissolution of Atlasia as the solution to a problem. A problem that might actually solve itself in fact.  Thankfully she seems to be mostly alone in this, unlike the 2015 people who had an army of supporters (in fact that "dissolve Atlasia" at exactly 50%).

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Tack is correct about this. I don't care which party you're in. This game can only work if we accept the fact that we have elections and sometimes we win and sometimes we lose. That's the social contract we all should abide by so that all Atlasians can enjoy the game through the many different ways you can be active.

Acting out in this manner also fundamentally gives the left more of what it wants and it serves to justify their behavior regarding their electioneering and governing tactics. Even under this kind of electorate, we shouldn't have gotten crushed like this--getting below 4 house seats. Atlasia has now elected a government that can amend the Constitution to the will of Adam Griffin and the Labor Party, and they can use the more unsavory rhetoric and behavior on the right to justify passing things that actually would make the game more unfair for right wingers. We messed up this time, and I'm sure at some point the right will win again but our actions now will determine how long it will take.

The right can serve as a valuable ideologically motivated opposition that competes fairly. Honestly, wanting to give up like this after only losing a few elections just makes us on the right look weak. I know it feels bad to know that we're a "permanent" minority on the forum, but if we just resort to crawling back into a safe space. Our strength has always been rooted in our resilience and ability to show that we are not crazy and radical. Acting like this only makes weaker and less likely to win elections in the near future, and I enjoy winning elections in Atlasia more than wallowing in an echo chamber. I guess that may make me crazy to some, but I want my old game back. We can and should stand on principle, but these principles also include preserving institutions that are worthwhile and good for society. This is what conservatism should mean. It doesn't mean throwing tantrums until the left plows through to total victory in removing a particular institution or winning on an issue only to then go onto reacting against the next thing on the let's agenda. This is how the real life Republican Party generally operates, and what attracts me to the Federalist Party here is that we present an alternative to this sort of mindset. That has been our recipe for success for years and it has kept us relevant and able to get new people to join and actually play the game as it is intended to be played even when we lost many of our elections. We are in danger of losing it all if we don't correct our course.

I stand by my rejection of any attempts to destroy the game because I don't believe in surrendering, and that is surrendering. I don't care about who I call out. Radicalism is radicalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD3DdskaPhs

Who said we were taking prisoners?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In fact, some of those posts are still applicable today; I am even tempted to draw a TNF -> fhtagn comparison

Thankfully we are nowhere near a July 2015-like situation, as a simple look to the threads back then proves.

The radicalism didn't arise on the left because the right was dominant. It came about on the left against a backdrop of a decimated right. Remember early 2015 was when the Federalists got wiped out and the game devolved into a Labor versus a center-left/radical TPP.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Tack is correct about this. I don't care which party you're in. This game can only work if we accept the fact that we have elections and sometimes we win and sometimes we lose. That's the social contract we all should abide by so that all Atlasians can enjoy the game through the many different ways you can be active.

Acting out in this manner also fundamentally gives the left more of what it wants and it serves to justify their behavior regarding their electioneering and governing tactics. Even under this kind of electorate, we shouldn't have gotten crushed like this--getting below 4 house seats. Atlasia has now elected a government that can amend the Constitution to the will of Adam Griffin and the Labor Party, and they can use the more unsavory rhetoric and behavior on the right to justify passing things that actually would make the game more unfair for right wingers. We messed up this time, and I'm sure at some point the right will win again but our actions now will determine how long it will take.

The right can serve as a valuable ideologically motivated opposition that competes fairly. Honestly, wanting to give up like this after only losing a few elections just makes us on the right look weak. I know it feels bad to know that we're a "permanent" minority on the forum, but if we just resort to crawling back into a safe space. Our strength has always been rooted in our resilience and ability to show that we are not crazy and radical. Acting like this only makes weaker and less likely to win elections in the near future, and I enjoy winning elections in Atlasia more than wallowing in an echo chamber. I guess that may make me crazy to some, but I want my old game back. We can and should stand on principle, but these principles also include preserving institutions that are worthwhile and good for society. This is what conservatism should mean. It doesn't mean throwing tantrums until the left plows through to total victory in removing a particular institution or winning on an issue only to then go onto reacting against the next thing on the let's agenda. This is how the real life Republican Party generally operates, and what attracts me to the Federalist Party here is that we present an alternative to this sort of mindset. That has been our recipe for success for years and it has kept us relevant and able to get new people to join and actually play the game as it is intended to be played even when we lost many of our elections. We are in danger of losing it all if we don't correct our course.

I stand by my rejection of any attempts to destroy the game because I don't believe in surrendering, and that is surrendering. I don't care about who I call out. Radicalism is radicalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD3DdskaPhs

Who said we were taking prisoners?

Destroying us will merely give rise to a beast that will devour us with one head and devour you with the other.

[Pericles]

If we want to go into what is or is not actually destroying the game, we have prominent lefties who have openly admitted that this should be an elections simulator purely based on personality rather than policy.

What? The left would have won a lot more elections if the game were solely policy-focused.

[Leinad]

If we want to go into what is or is not actually destroying the game, we have prominent lefties who have openly admitted that this should be an elections simulator purely based on personality rather than policy.

All you run on these days is "Adam is a tyrant" and "Pericles is an annoying hack," and you dodge questions about policy. It's appropriate you're making these posts on a forum where we guess election results, because you're seriously...projecting!

[lfromnj]

Tack is correct about this. I don't care which party you're in. This game can only work if we accept the fact that we have elections and sometimes we win and sometimes we lose. That's the social contract we all should abide by so that all Atlasians can enjoy the game through the many different ways you can be active.

Acting out in this manner also fundamentally gives the left more of what it wants and it serves to justify their behavior regarding their electioneering and governing tactics. Even under this kind of electorate, we shouldn't have gotten crushed like this--getting below 4 house seats. Atlasia has now elected a government that can amend the Constitution to the will of Adam Griffin and the Labor Party, and they can use the more unsavory rhetoric and behavior on the right to justify passing things that actually would make the game more unfair for right wingers. We messed up this time, and I'm sure at some point the right will win again but our actions now will determine how long it will take.

The right can serve as a valuable ideologically motivated opposition that competes fairly. Honestly, wanting to give up like this after only losing a few elections just makes us on the right look weak. I know it feels bad to know that we're a "permanent" minority on the forum, but if we just resort to crawling back into a safe space. Our strength has always been rooted in our resilience and ability to show that we are not crazy and radical. Acting like this only makes weaker and less likely to win elections in the near future, and I enjoy winning elections in Atlasia more than wallowing in an echo chamber. I guess that may make me crazy to some, but I want my old game back. We can and should stand on principle, but these principles also include preserving institutions that are worthwhile and good for society. This is what conservatism should mean. It doesn't mean throwing tantrums until the left plows through to total victory in removing a particular institution or winning on an issue only to then go onto reacting against the next thing on the let's agenda. This is how the real life Republican Party generally operates, and what attracts me to the Federalist Party here is that we present an alternative to this sort of mindset. That has been our recipe for success for years and it has kept us relevant and able to get new people to join and actually play the game as it is intended to be played even when we lost many of our elections. We are in danger of losing it all if we don't correct our course.

I stand by my rejection of any attempts to destroy the game because I don't believe in surrendering, and that is surrendering. I don't care about who I call out. Radicalism is radicalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD3DdskaPhs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_6ENAumWhMY

[fhtagn]

If we want to go into what is or is not actually destroying the game, we have prominent lefties who have openly admitted that this should be an elections simulator purely based on personality rather than policy.

All you run on these days is "Adam is a tyrant" and "Pericles is an annoying hack," and you dodge questions about policy. It's appropriate you're making these posts on a forum where we guess election results, because you're seriously...projecting!

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=339183.msg7009867#msg7009867

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=339183.msg7012722#msg7012722

Are you illiterate?

[Leinad]

If we want to go into what is or is not actually destroying the game, we have prominent lefties who have openly admitted that this should be an elections simulator purely based on personality rather than policy.

All you run on these days is "Adam is a tyrant" and "Pericles is an annoying hack," and you dodge questions about policy. It's appropriate you're making these posts on a forum where we guess election results, because you're seriously...projecting!

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=339183.msg7009867#msg7009867

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=339183.msg7012722#msg7012722

Are you illiterate?

First off, I never said you never mentioned policy, just that you prefer to make ad hominem attacks and personality-based appeals than addressing policy. Is that so hard to understand?

Second, I could write paragraphs upon paragraphs about this, but the fact your immediate response was to ask if I'm illiterate speaks volumes on its own.

[fhtagn]

If we want to go into what is or is not actually destroying the game, we have prominent lefties who have openly admitted that this should be an elections simulator purely based on personality rather than policy.

All you run on these days is "Adam is a tyrant" and "Pericles is an annoying hack," and you dodge questions about policy. It's appropriate you're making these posts on a forum where we guess election results, because you're seriously...projecting!

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=339183.msg7009867#msg7009867

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=339183.msg7012722#msg7012722

Are you illiterate?

First off, I never said you never mentioned policy, just that you prefer to make ad hominem attacks and personality-based appeals than addressing policy. Is that so hard to understand?

Second, I could write paragraphs upon paragraphs about this, but the fact your immediate response was to ask if I'm illiterate speaks volumes on its own.

Have you already forgotten what you just wrote?

All you run on these days is "Adam is a tyrant" and "Pericles is an annoying hack," and you dodge questions about policy. .

[Saint Milei]

Threads like this are exactly why I'm probably leaving this game. This sht is beyond corny