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« Reply #50 on: October 15, 2019, 10:53:45 PM »

Imo, if Pressley's the only member of the Squad to not endorse Bernie, then it more-or-less feels like a given that she'll end up endorsing Warren.

CNN now says it's the entire squad except Pressley.

Again, this hurts Warren more than a lot of people will realize.

Yeah, this is a big deal. This opens up a huge gulf between Sanders and Warren, at a time when the latter is running to the center.

And even so, if Warren gets Pressley - she's arguably the least popular member of the Squad. Her possible endorsement of Warren is overshadowed now.

If anyone is the least popular member of the Squad, it's Omar.

It's Tlaib. AOC/Omar have a lot of defenders. Tlaib doesn't have the same fanbase or populist appeal, she just has pure nastiness.

Pressley is the least-known, but she probably has the highest district approval rating of the four.

Nah, even without as many defenders, you just don't see nearly as much Tlaib-related vitriol as you do for Omar.

The right certainly loses their sh*t more over Omar/AOC, but I think mainstream democrats see value in them as fundraising tools and savvy social media talents. I think Tlaib is the one her own party would most like to be rid of - and they're likely to get their wish given the district's demographics.

IIRC wasn't there a district poll that showed her with a really good approval rating & like a 20-30 point lead over Brenda Jones? Granted, it's a district poll, but still.
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« Reply #51 on: October 15, 2019, 10:54:59 PM »

This really isn’t all that surprising in a vacuum.

But is is somewhat puzzling and troubling for Warren how few endorsements she has from anywhere.  She is a very popular personality who also would seem to have establishment credentials and be a logical “consensus of the party” candidate.

And yet she has virtually no major endorsements outside her home state.  Even as she continues to move up in the polls, she keeps falling further behind in the endorsement race.
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« Reply #52 on: October 15, 2019, 10:56:12 PM »

That definitely isn't concerning at all. (sarcasm)
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« Reply #53 on: October 15, 2019, 11:00:39 PM »

Interesting that it appears that Ayanna Pressley will not be joining them.

Pressley is going to want Warren's support for her eventual Senate run.
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« Reply #54 on: October 15, 2019, 11:18:23 PM »

Not surprising, but I wonder if the Squad got intimidated by the backlash to the WFP endorsement of Warren. The people who bullied the WFP were plainly trying to set an example. A couple weeks later some union made a joint endorsement despite Warren getting by far the highest vote share in the membership.
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« Reply #55 on: October 15, 2019, 11:20:32 PM »

This really isn’t all that surprising in a vacuum.

But is is somewhat puzzling and troubling for Warren how few endorsements she has from anywhere.  She is a very popular personality who also would seem to have establishment credentials and be a logical “consensus of the party” candidate.

And yet she has virtually no major endorsements outside her home state.  Even as she continues to move up in the polls, she keeps falling further behind in the endorsement race.

The idea that the establishment is somehow in love with Warren is a myth from a certain media bubble.
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« Reply #56 on: October 15, 2019, 11:22:24 PM »

Definitely thought this already happened, but okay.

Yeah, my first reaction when I saw the headline on TV was “she really hadn’t done that yet?”
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« Reply #57 on: October 15, 2019, 11:25:09 PM »

Anyway, candidate with authoritarian-left leanings gets endorsed by three politicians with authoritarian-left leanings.

LOLOL at calling pro-choice, drug legalizing, anti-capital punishment, pro-LGBT rights, anti-surveillance, anti-prison industrial complex candidates that are by far the most anti-war in the democratic caucus "authoritarian."

The anti free-speech, anti freedom of religion, pro citizen disarmament, anti free market, pro wealth confiscation, anti healthcare choice caucus?

Lol do you have any idea how the political compass works, bro?
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« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2019, 11:27:21 PM »

This really isn’t all that surprising in a vacuum.

But is is somewhat puzzling and troubling for Warren how few endorsements she has from anywhere.  She is a very popular personality who also would seem to have establishment credentials and be a logical “consensus of the party” candidate.

And yet she has virtually no major endorsements outside her home state.  Even as she continues to move up in the polls, she keeps falling further behind in the endorsement race.

The idea that the establishment is somehow in love with Warren is a myth from a certain media bubble.

What I’m saying is that it is clear that the establishment ISN’T in love with Warren, but it is not clear to me why that is.  She has a lot of experience, is personally very popular, and seems in tune with the priorities of the party.

I understand why she wouldn’t get the support of the moderate wing of the party, but why not people like Pelosi?
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« Reply #59 on: October 15, 2019, 11:34:07 PM »

This really isn’t all that surprising in a vacuum.

But is is somewhat puzzling and troubling for Warren how few endorsements she has from anywhere.  She is a very popular personality who also would seem to have establishment credentials and be a logical “consensus of the party” candidate.

And yet she has virtually no major endorsements outside her home state.  Even as she continues to move up in the polls, she keeps falling further behind in the endorsement race.

The idea that the establishment is somehow in love with Warren is a myth from a certain media bubble.

What I’m saying is that it is clear that the establishment ISN’T in love with Warren, but it is not clear to me why that is.  She has a lot of experience, is personally very popular, and seems in tune with the priorities of the party.

I understand why she wouldn’t get the support of the moderate wing of the party, but why not people like Pelosi?

Because Pelosi's two purposes in life are:
1) to raise as much money as possible from corporate donors to give out to house dems - the only reason she has her job, because she sucks in every other way
2) to try to protect blue dog dems to a fault by being stupidly milquetoast, despite this attempt repeatedly backfiring on her

And Warren obviously gets in the way of her doing both of these things.

Also LOLOL Pelosi IS part of the moderate wing of the party.  She patronizingly called the green new deal the "green dream" and came out against MFA.
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« Reply #60 on: October 15, 2019, 11:50:04 PM »

This really isn’t all that surprising in a vacuum.

But is is somewhat puzzling and troubling for Warren how few endorsements she has from anywhere.  She is a very popular personality who also would seem to have establishment credentials and be a logical “consensus of the party” candidate.

And yet she has virtually no major endorsements outside her home state.  Even as she continues to move up in the polls, she keeps falling further behind in the endorsement race.

Not defending Warren, but I think you're overestimating how much endorsements make a difference. Kamala Harris has picked up a relatively high amount of endorsements compared to the rest of the field, and it hasn't helped her in any meaningful way. Conversely, Hillary Clinton dwarfed Sanders with the amount of institutional support she received from prominent politicians, and he was still able to keep the primary competitive. Most voters don't care much about who a politician supports for President unless it's someone with a significant amount of influence in the party (and they matter even less in terms of determining the nominee now that superdelegate's power has been neutered). Besides, there are still a lot of Democratic politicians who are up for grabs this early, so the endorsement race could easily change.
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« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2019, 11:51:51 PM »

Tlaib and Omar are no surprise as Sanders is the only candidate to share their position on Israel but AOCs endorsement is a big problem for Warren. Pressley is for Warren but its a home state endorsement so it wont help much.
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« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2019, 11:55:38 PM »

This really isn’t all that surprising in a vacuum.

But is is somewhat puzzling and troubling for Warren how few endorsements she has from anywhere.  She is a very popular personality who also would seem to have establishment credentials and be a logical “consensus of the party” candidate.

And yet she has virtually no major endorsements outside her home state.  Even as she continues to move up in the polls, she keeps falling further behind in the endorsement race.

Not defending Warren, but I think you're overestimating how much endorsements make a difference. Kamala Harris has picked up a relatively high amount of endorsements compared to the rest of the field, and it hasn't helped her in any meaningful way. Conversely, Hillary Clinton dwarfed Sanders with the amount of institutional support she received from prominent politicians, and he was still able to keep the primary competitive. Most voters don't care much about who a politician supports for President unless it's someone with a significant amount of influence in the party (and they matter even less in terms of determining the nominee now that superdelegate's power has been neutered). Besides, there are still a lot of Democratic politicians who are up for grabs this early, so the endorsement race could easily change.

I don’t think endorsements directly matter very much either.  But it does seem like a symptom of the party’s overall attitude toward Warren.  She is the most popular candidate among the party’s voters and (according to prediction market) by far the most likely nominee.  Why aren’t prominent politicians rushing to back her, even if only to ride her coattails?
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« Reply #63 on: October 16, 2019, 12:09:21 AM »

Liberal Twitter/Atlas is going to be in for a big letdown when the Squad's endorsement has only a modest effect on polling. Sanders's campaign has been over since he had a heart attack.

Because Pelosi's two purposes in life are:
1) to raise as much money as possible from corporate donors to give out to house dems - the only reason she has her job, because she sucks in every other way
2) to try to protect blue dog dems to a fault by being stupidly milquetoast, despite this attempt repeatedly backfiring on her

Right, because when Pelosi shepherded Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and Waxman-Markey through the 111th Congress, her only goal was to raise money and protect Blue Dogs.
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« Reply #64 on: October 16, 2019, 12:12:31 AM »

If Bernie/Warren was President and told Pelosi they wanted single payer, she would probably do it. She's not THAT stubborn
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« Reply #65 on: October 16, 2019, 12:14:20 AM »
« Edited: October 16, 2019, 12:19:09 AM by Grand Mufti of Northern Virginia »

This really isn’t all that surprising in a vacuum.

But is is somewhat puzzling and troubling for Warren how few endorsements she has from anywhere.  She is a very popular personality who also would seem to have establishment credentials and be a logical “consensus of the party” candidate.

And yet she has virtually no major endorsements outside her home state.  Even as she continues to move up in the polls, she keeps falling further behind in the endorsement race.

Not defending Warren, but I think you're overestimating how much endorsements make a difference. Kamala Harris has picked up a relatively high amount of endorsements compared to the rest of the field, and it hasn't helped her in any meaningful way. Conversely, Hillary Clinton dwarfed Sanders with the amount of institutional support she received from prominent politicians, and he was still able to keep the primary competitive. Most voters don't care much about who a politician supports for President unless it's someone with a significant amount of influence in the party (and they matter even less in terms of determining the nominee now that superdelegate's power has been neutered). Besides, there are still a lot of Democratic politicians who are up for grabs this early, so the endorsement race could easily change.

I don’t think endorsements directly matter very much either.  But it does seem like a symptom of the party’s overall attitude toward Warren.  She is the most popular candidate among the party’s voters and (according to prediction market) by far the most likely nominee.  Why aren’t prominent politicians rushing to back her, even if only to ride her coattails?

One argument is that they aren't rushing to her because they (or rather their donors) see her as a threat.  She has already forsworn any corporate donations, therefore leaving her free to espouse progressive positions on various issues without any need to placate them.  Which makes them worry about whether as President she will endorse progressive challengers to them in the Democratic primaries who will similarly refuse corporate donations in support of her agenda.  

The complication for Elizabeth Warren is that she isn't winning the purists on the left either, hence their endorsement of Bernie Sanders.  

She is still threading that needle through, somehow...
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« Reply #66 on: October 16, 2019, 12:21:44 AM »

This really isn’t all that surprising in a vacuum.

But is is somewhat puzzling and troubling for Warren how few endorsements she has from anywhere.  She is a very popular personality who also would seem to have establishment credentials and be a logical “consensus of the party” candidate.

And yet she has virtually no major endorsements outside her home state.  Even as she continues to move up in the polls, she keeps falling further behind in the endorsement race.

Not defending Warren, but I think you're overestimating how much endorsements make a difference. Kamala Harris has picked up a relatively high amount of endorsements compared to the rest of the field, and it hasn't helped her in any meaningful way. Conversely, Hillary Clinton dwarfed Sanders with the amount of institutional support she received from prominent politicians, and he was still able to keep the primary competitive. Most voters don't care much about who a politician supports for President unless it's someone with a significant amount of influence in the party (and they matter even less in terms of determining the nominee now that superdelegate's power has been neutered). Besides, there are still a lot of Democratic politicians who are up for grabs this early, so the endorsement race could easily change.

I don’t think endorsements directly matter very much either.  But it does seem like a symptom of the party’s overall attitude toward Warren.  She is the most popular candidate among the party’s voters and (according to prediction market) by far the most likely nominee.  Why aren’t prominent politicians rushing to back her, even if only to ride her coattails?

Well first of all the ultra-prominent figures in the party (the Obamas, Clintons, Pelosi, et al.) will stay neutral for the sake of maintaining party unity. They are not going to endorse before we get a presumptive nominee.

Secondly, it is still rather early in the race and primaries have a lot of moving parts. A lot of politicians don't want to tie themselves to a losing horse, and will only endorse when they are sure that candidate is viable. Many politicians are likely waiting to see if Warren's solid numbers can hold - as it's still possible that her support could collapse. Not to mention many politicians wait to endorse when their state votes, and who is on the ballot/leading in the polls at that time is pertinent to them.

Finally, much of the establishment support we've seen so far is going to Joe Biden. This is largely built on the goodwill of being the Vice President to the party's most recent, popular President. He is also the leading "centrist/center-left" candidate - and many politicians from that wing of the party are already tying themselves to him because he is the most viable candidate for their lane. Similarly, Sanders also has a lot of support from far-left politicians through connections he has built through his 2016 campaign.

None of this is to say that Warren is guaranteed to get a ton of endorsements when the primary gets into high gear, but rather that it is too early to peg her as losing the endorsement game.
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« Reply #67 on: October 16, 2019, 12:26:03 AM »

I think this was probably expected.
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« Reply #68 on: October 16, 2019, 12:28:40 AM »





God, you cannot resist using tweets, can you?

And it's tweets from a Neo-Nazi apologist too. Sad!
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« Reply #69 on: October 16, 2019, 12:53:50 AM »

Interesting that it appears that Ayanna Pressley will not be joining them.

Not surprising. Pressley and Warren are close, from the same state, and they have a strong slate of legislation. She was always going to stay out.
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« Reply #70 on: October 16, 2019, 01:10:04 AM »

Why does the squad prefer sanders over warren?
Warren wants to use her power and mandate as POTUS to force the establishment to adopt some progressive policies. Sanders wants to crush the establishment with a non-violent progressive revolution and create an America with no corporate or oligarch infuence in Washington, whether or not future administrations are leftist or centrist or right-wing.

Neither are ideal for the establishment, but if they are forced to choose between the two they would ABSOLUTELY prefer Elizabeth Warren. "The Squad" are Justice Democrats, basically "Berniecrats", therefore they would prefer the longer lasting and deeper change that would come from a Bernie revolution.
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« Reply #71 on: October 16, 2019, 05:50:08 AM »

My Queen is alive!!
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« Reply #72 on: October 16, 2019, 06:51:21 AM »

Having AOC and Omar is exactly the wrong message Democrat’s need to be sending next year if they have any hope of winning over moderates and independents.
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« Reply #73 on: October 16, 2019, 06:54:06 AM »
« Edited: October 16, 2019, 06:57:40 AM by roxas11 »

Weirdly enough I actually think this works out for both Warren and Sanders in the end

It helps Sander keep his crown as the one true leftist candidate in the race while Warren will be able to actually come off looking more appealing to more moderate voters because she is not endorsed by AOC and the squad


The blunt truth is Warren has become the front runner because she is starting to appeal to voters beyond her once liberal base. you don't overtake someone like Biden in the polls simply by winning over the far left ( If that was the case Sanders would have overtaken Hillary in 2016 )

You do it by expanding your base and that is exactly what Warren been successfully doing.
She has been widening her appeal among Democrat voters  

having AOC and the squad endorse warren may have helped her more with the left but I could also see it scaring away some of the more moderate voters that she has been wining over.

Its funny because had you told me this would happen at the start of the campaign
I would have said that it was bad news for Warren but now not only do I not feel that way
I actually think that the further she can distance herself AOC and the squad
The better off she will be in the long run. ( especially if she becomes the democrat nominee)






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« Reply #74 on: October 16, 2019, 07:08:45 AM »

In general endorsements are way overrated and don't really matter, but there is an absurd asymmetry in value between endorsements.  The endorsement of AoC, one of the most famous and admired figures in the country among Dems and a prolific small dollar fundraiser, is literally 100x more valuable than some senator who no one knows outside their home state.

Obviously, if President Obama came out and endorsed someone, this race would be over.

I don't think this endorsement will win the race for Bernie, but it'll help him out for sure.
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