Hungarian elections and politics

[Umengus]

The united opposition so far is actually pretty lucky in Budapest.  They led Fidesz 45.7% to 42.8% but lead Fidesz in constituency seats 16-2.  You would think there will be a greater variation of the vote in Budapest.  It seems Fidesz missed out on some good gerrymandering.

impossible, it's rigged

[Splash]

So looks like this is pretty much over at this point? Just as I predicted.

Yeah, I think the only question is whether Fidesz+KDNP secures at least 133 seats or not.

[Flyersfan232]

So how long until em impode

[Flyersfan232]

So looks like this is pretty much over at this point? Just as I predicted.

Yeah, I think the only question is whether Fidesz+KDNP secures at least 133 seats or not.

what about the German guy

[Antonio the Sixth]

Time for the EU & NATO to throw Hungary out. Orban wants to go it alone he should do it without western money.

Add Poland lol.

Actually the opposition is in pretty solid shape in Poland and the Western liberal segment of the country is roughly 50% of voters.  And Poland tends to play fair when the EU makes certain demands. Orban's Hungary, on the other hand, is a farce and an embarrassment to the entire EU.

Yeah, however low my opinion of the PiS clique might be, they're in a whole other league compared to Orban. They might be reactionary nationalists, but they're European reactionary nationalists, not Putin fifth-columnists.

[DavidB.]

We'll have to see just how much the numbers will tighten, but it looks like Hungary will remain the stronghold of sanity within Europe (though I've been a lot less impressed by their Ukraine stance tbh). Anyone who's actually been there and talked with people there (and I don't just mean globalist "academics" from CEU or some bartender at a downtown Pest club) understands Hungary is not a "far-right dictatorship" but rather a country that, in most regards, is similar to literally all European countries just a few decades ago in terms of morality, while making enormous economic progress, and that isn't interested in going into full neo-communist self-destruction mode like all of Western Europe. No wonder people keep voting Fidesz.

[rob in cal]

  Basically Fidesz is doing best in areas that it usually does best, opposition is doing best in areas it usually does best, its just that Fidesz is doing about 5 to 7% better than expected.  If you look at the district pre election projections at taktikaizavazah.hu this comes clear. Not saying there isn't unfairness in the Hungary situation, just that the overall patterns of the vote match up with what was expected, but add 5% or so.

I really would like to see where the 2018 Jobbik voters went. It isn't logical that the lions share of them would want to support a predominantly left wing alliance, so perhaps this is finally coming out in this election, where Our Country is so far doing better than expected.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

So looks like this is pretty much over at this point? Just as I predicted.

It seems to be over at this point. The only real question is if Fidesz gets 2/3, which might come down to Budapest and Miskolc.

[Former President tack50]

People on here sounding like Hardcore Trumpers in 2020

WE ARE LOSING, STOP THE COUNT!!!!

STOLEN ELECTION!!!!

While Hungary's media is beyond awful and freedom of the press is limited, I will say that the election itself is fair and there is no tampering.

[Omega21]

You do realize that Hungary voted to condemn Russia in the UN AND also implemented ALL of the EU sanctions against Russia, right?

Now, the fact that they do not want to literally ruin their own economy by banning Russian gas, and want to stay militarily out of the conflict (no weapons for Ukraine), is them putting their national interests first, not being a 5th column.

[DavidB.]

You do realize that Hungary voted to condemn Russia in the UN AND also implemented ALL of the EU sanctions against Russia, right?

Now, the fact that they do not want to literally ruin their own economy by banning Russian gas, and want to stay militarily out of the conflict (no weapons for Ukraine), is them putting their national interests first, not being a 5th column.

True. But if I listen to the words of this song, in particular the part about the world simply watching and doing nothing, I would expect a little more empathy with Ukraine from Hungary given that they know all about Russian aggression.

[Umengus]

We'll have to see just how much the numbers will tighten, but it looks like Hungary will remain the stronghold of sanity within Europe (though I've been a lot less impressed by their Ukraine stance tbh). Anyone who's actually been there and talked with people there (and I don't just mean globalist "academics" from CEU or some bartender at a downtown Buda club) understands Hungary is not a "far-right dictatorship" but rather a country that, in most regards, is similar to literally all European countries just a few decades ago in terms of morality, while making enormous economic progress, and that isn't interested in going into full neo-communist self-destruction mode like all of Western Europe. No wonder people keep voting Fidesz.

100 % correct.

I was there in october, in the fidez demonstration in Budapest and it was pretty good. Budapest is very beautiful, very clean, so much better than brussels, where I work. Orban position on putin is bad but well, not so bad than (belgian) greens (who prefer gas to nuke) lol

[Flyersfan232]

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Antonio the Sixth]

Time for the EU & NATO to throw Hungary out. Orban wants to go it alone he should do it without western money.

Add Poland lol.

Actually the opposition is in pretty solid shape in Poland and the Western liberal segment of the country is roughly 50% of voters.  And Poland tends to play fair when the EU makes certain demands. Orban's Hungary, on the other hand, is a farce and an embarrassment to the entire EU.

Yeah, however low my opinion of the PiS clique might be, they're in a whole other league compared to Orban. They might be reactionary nationalists, but they're European reactionary nationalists, not Putin fifth-columnists.

You do realize that Hungary voted to condemn Russia in the UN AND also implemented ALL of the EU sanctions against Russia, right?

Now, the fact that they do not want to literally ruin their own economy by banning Russian gas, and want to stay militarily out of the conflict (no weapons for Ukraine), is them putting their national interests first, not being a 5th column.

Passivity is complicity. Anyone who stands in the way of providing the aid Ukraine needs to fight is a Putin fifth-columnist. It's that f**king simple.

[Flyersfan232]

Time for the EU & NATO to throw Hungary out. Orban wants to go it alone he should do it without western money.

Add Poland lol.

Actually the opposition is in pretty solid shape in Poland and the Western liberal segment of the country is roughly 50% of voters.  And Poland tends to play fair when the EU makes certain demands. Orban's Hungary, on the other hand, is a farce and an embarrassment to the entire EU.

Yeah, however low my opinion of the PiS clique might be, they're in a whole other league compared to Orban. They might be reactionary nationalists, but they're European reactionary nationalists, not Putin fifth-columnists.

You do realize that Hungary voted to condemn Russia in the UN AND also implemented ALL of the EU sanctions against Russia, right?

Now, the fact that they do not want to literally ruin their own economy by banning Russian gas, and want to stay militarily out of the conflict (no weapons for Ukraine), is them putting their national interests first, not being a 5th column.

didn’t jobbik recognized Crimea annexation 

[Antonio the Sixth]

Geez, I'm not ignoring nearly as many people as I should be. Time to update my list.

[Flyersfan232]

so would this be reserved budapest mayoral election?

[Coldstream]

Time for the EU & NATO to throw Hungary out. Orban wants to go it alone he should do it without western money.

Add Poland lol.

Actually the opposition is in pretty solid shape in Poland and the Western liberal segment of the country is roughly 50% of voters.  And Poland tends to play fair when the EU makes certain demands. Orban's Hungary, on the other hand, is a farce and an embarrassment to the entire EU.

Yeah, however low my opinion of the PiS clique might be, they're in a whole other league compared to Orban. They might be reactionary nationalists, but they're European reactionary nationalists, not Putin fifth-columnists.

You do realize that Hungary voted to condemn Russia in the UN AND also implemented ALL of the EU sanctions against Russia, right?

Now, the fact that they do not want to literally ruin their own economy by banning Russian gas, and want to stay militarily out of the conflict (no weapons for Ukraine), is them putting their national interests first, not being a 5th column.

Getting in to bed with Putin is not in their national interest, it is in Orban’s narrow personal interest.

Even if it were, NATO & EU aren’t obligated to keep helping them when they are led by a man intrinsically hostile to Western values. If the Hungarian people want to choose Putin over the EU & NATO that’s their prerogative - but that’s the choice they should be given. My guess is once the EU money runs out they will tire of Orban pretty quickly.

[Boobs]

A rapid slide into dictatorship is alright because the city streets are clean (ignoring the fact that Budapest is administrated by the opposition)

[jaichind]

The PR vote count in Budapest is turning more in favor of the united opposition.  Right now Fidesz is at 134 seats but that can become 133 any minute.

[Omega21]

While Hungary's media is beyond awful and freedom of the press is limited, I will say that the election itself is fair and there is no tampering.

And that is precisely why the 2 of us can always have a productive discussion.

The kneejerk "STOLEN ELECTION!!!!!!" reactions with very little evidence to back it up (barring a few ballots in some village in Romania lol) are just pure emotion & cope, and that applies to both the reactions here, and the Trumpist reactions in 2020.

You do realize that Hungary voted to condemn Russia in the UN AND also implemented ALL of the EU sanctions against Russia, right?

Now, the fact that they do not want to literally ruin their own economy by banning Russian gas, and want to stay militarily out of the conflict (no weapons for Ukraine), is them putting their national interests first, not being a 5th column.

True. But if I listen to the words of this song, in particular the part about the world simply watching and doing nothing, I would expect a little more empathy with Ukraine from Hungary given that they know all about Russian aggression.

Totally get where you are coming from, but in the end, the whole of Europe is to blame. We could have taken the French path and embraced safe & clean nuclear energy, but we didn't. We could have worked on securing other energy sources long ago, but again, we didn't.

Now ATM, Orban has a choice:

1) Sanction & condemn Russia but still don't piss them off too much
2) Go full-on Baltics & commit economic suicide

In any case, it seems Orban has only done what the Hungarian people want anyway, and the border region next to Ukraine, as well as the rest of the country, is rewarding him handsomely for it.

[Flyersfan232]

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1510703205193175041?cxt=HHwWgsCqqfSjjPcpAAAA

[Omega21]

Time for the EU & NATO to throw Hungary out. Orban wants to go it alone he should do it without western money.

Add Poland lol.

Actually the opposition is in pretty solid shape in Poland and the Western liberal segment of the country is roughly 50% of voters.  And Poland tends to play fair when the EU makes certain demands. Orban's Hungary, on the other hand, is a farce and an embarrassment to the entire EU.

Yeah, however low my opinion of the PiS clique might be, they're in a whole other league compared to Orban. They might be reactionary nationalists, but they're European reactionary nationalists, not Putin fifth-columnists.

You do realize that Hungary voted to condemn Russia in the UN AND also implemented ALL of the EU sanctions against Russia, right?

Now, the fact that they do not want to literally ruin their own economy by banning Russian gas, and want to stay militarily out of the conflict (no weapons for Ukraine), is them putting their national interests first, not being a 5th column.

didn’t jobbik recognized Crimea annexation  

Russia invites far-right anti-Semitic Hungarian politicians to visit Crimea

https://khpg.org/en/1438522254

But that was 6 years ago bro, so that does not count, they are now the most liberal, EU-loving party one could hope for.

Getting in to bed with Putin is not in their national interest, it is in Orban’s narrow personal interest.

Even if it were, NATO & EU aren’t obligated to keep helping them when they are led by a man intrinsically hostile to Western values. If the Hungarian people want to choose Putin over the EU & NATO that’s their prerogative - but that’s the choice they should be given. My guess is once the EU money runs out they will tire of Orban pretty quickly.

Genuinely curious, what are some examples of Hungary being on Russia's side?

The fact that they sanctioned them?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1510703205193175041?cxt=HHwWgsCqqfSjjPcpAAAA

Oppositions do not win elections, governments lose them.

[DavidB.]

The Sweden Democrats can be vilified and shut out because some Nazi was one of the founders more than 30 years ago, but Jobbik, who were drawing up lists of Jewish employees at the parliament not even 10 years ago (in many cases the exact same people as the ones running the party now), is completely cool for all the enlightened liberals now. Apparently you stop being a Nazi when you're useful to the regime change project.