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« Reply #125 on: October 09, 2019, 05:28:50 PM »

This action really deeply offended me more than most of the awful things he is and does, but....i dont care.  Trump ruined the United States of America in the world.  Our choice before was a global community where the us gets a good deal for its past contributions.

Now we have a choice of continue to lash out and eventually collapse...or we can take a much smaller position in the global community than we otherwise would have had.

In their irrational fear of the globalists...the Republicans ensured nothing but the end of American hegemony over the world order.  Now there really will be aspects of your life that will get sh**ttier...and because we don’t have the trust and cooperation of others, trying to protest or fight it will just cost all the more necessitating ensh**ttifying your life even more so you can eventually lose. 

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« Reply #126 on: October 09, 2019, 07:55:43 PM »


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« Reply #127 on: October 09, 2019, 08:15:36 PM »
« Edited: October 09, 2019, 10:27:35 PM by Crumpets »

You know how people talk about "we gave al Qaeda guns in the 80s and then we just walked away!" I don't think the YPG are on par with al Qaeda in any regard. But you know what might make them turn to a more violent and external extremist ideology? This. This might.
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« Reply #128 on: October 09, 2019, 08:16:31 PM »

You know how people talk aobut "we gave al Qaeda guns in the 80s and then we just walked away!" I don't think the YPG are on par with al Qaeda in any regard. But you know what make them turn to a more violent and external extremist ideology? This. This might.

Brilliant analysis.
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« Reply #129 on: October 09, 2019, 08:51:22 PM »

This is how Donald Trump treats everybody. Every relationship is transactional. Give it enough time and he will do the same thing to Republicans. 

Never let malignant narcissists hold power over your future.
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« Reply #130 on: October 09, 2019, 09:07:37 PM »

This is so awful there's almost nothing to say. The Kurds have been the most consistent opponents of Islamic extremism in the middle east going back to the 90's. IDK how we can expect anyone around the world to stick their neck out for us again if we're going to throw them under the bus like this. A terrible strategic decision that doesn't even have an apparent motivation.
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« Reply #131 on: October 09, 2019, 09:15:48 PM »

This is so awful there's almost nothing to say. The Kurds have been the most consistent opponents of Islamic extremism in the middle east going back to the 90's. IDK how we can expect anyone around the world to stick their neck out for us again if we're going to throw them under the bus like this. A terrible strategic decision that doesn't even have an apparent motivation.

Trump Towers Istanbul.
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« Reply #132 on: October 09, 2019, 09:18:11 PM »

The next President is going to have to be conducting a global apology tour for the entirety of their term.
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« Reply #133 on: October 09, 2019, 09:19:49 PM »

The next President is going to have to be conducting a global apology tour for the entirety of their term.

What a f**king joke, lmao.

Having troops on the ground in foreign countries is bad, unless Trump pulls them out. Then it's good. Orange man bad
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« Reply #134 on: October 09, 2019, 09:22:55 PM »

The next President is going to have to be conducting a global apology tour for the entirety of their term.

What a f**king joke, lmao.

Having troops on the ground in foreign countries is bad, unless Trump pulls them out. Then it's good. Orange man bad

Trump hasn't pulled troops out of Syria, they're still there, they just aren't able to protect our Kurdish allies.
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« Reply #135 on: October 09, 2019, 09:25:32 PM »

The next President is going to have to be conducting a global apology tour for the entirety of their term.

What a f**king joke, lmao.

Having troops on the ground in foreign countries is bad, unless Trump pulls them out. Then it's good. Orange man bad

Trump hasn't pulled troops out of Syria, they're still there, they just aren't able to protect our Kurdish allies.

If this is the case, then Trump did not go far enough. Almost all of our troops should be out of the Middle East.
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« Reply #136 on: October 09, 2019, 09:26:09 PM »

The next President is going to have to be conducting a global apology tour for the entirety of their term.

What a f**king joke, lmao.

Having troops on the ground in foreign countries is bad, unless Trump pulls them out. Then it's good. Orange man bad
Moving a handful of troops around isn't ending the war or bringing the troops home.  It's putting cheap whore's makeup on a pig.
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« Reply #137 on: October 09, 2019, 09:28:09 PM »

The next President is going to have to be conducting a global apology tour for the entirety of their term.

What a f**king joke, lmao.

Having troops on the ground in foreign countries is bad, unless Trump pulls them out. Then it's good. Orange man bad
Your analysis of what has happened with Trump and the Kurds is either VERY ignorant and lacking in context, or VERY dishonest and slimy. Sad.
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« Reply #138 on: October 09, 2019, 09:28:52 PM »

The next President is going to have to be conducting a global apology tour for the entirety of their term.

What a f**king joke, lmao.

Having troops on the ground in foreign countries is bad, unless Trump pulls them out. Then it's good. Orange man bad
Moving a handful of troops around isn't ending the war or bringing the troops home.  It's putting cheap whore's makeup on a pig.

If he had withdrawn all of our troops, which is something that I hope happens, you'd still be fronting the same pearl-clutching.
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« Reply #139 on: October 09, 2019, 09:28:59 PM »


Oh, look, a Republican offering the victims of imminent genocide "thoughts and prayers".



Oh look, an opportunity to denigrate religion for no reason.   

Not praying for the Kurds doesn't make you a better person.
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« Reply #140 on: October 09, 2019, 09:33:33 PM »


Oh, look, a Republican offering the victims of imminent genocide "thoughts and prayers".



Oh look, an opportunity to denigrate religion for no reason.   

Not praying for the Kurds doesn't make you a better person.
Praying (virtue signalling to God) for the Kurds doesn't make you a better person either. You either care or don't care, but a religious gesture to SHOW God physixally that you care has no effect when he can see into your heart and mind anyways.
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« Reply #141 on: October 09, 2019, 10:05:35 PM »


Oh, look, a Republican offering the victims of imminent genocide "thoughts and prayers".



Oh look, an opportunity to denigrate religion for no reason.   

Not praying for the Kurds doesn't make you a better person.
Praying (virtue signalling to God) for the Kurds doesn't make you a better person either. You either care or don't care, but a religious gesture to SHOW God physixally that you care has no effect when he can see into your heart and mind anyways.

For people who pray, truly caring about someone means you pray for them.   If you don't believe in prayer, fine; maybe save that argument for another time when people aren't expressing their concern about a crisis in another land in the best way they know how.
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« Reply #142 on: October 09, 2019, 10:26:39 PM »


Oh, look, a Republican offering the victims of imminent genocide "thoughts and prayers".



Oh look, an opportunity to denigrate religion for no reason.  

Not praying for the Kurds doesn't make you a better person.
Praying (virtue signalling to God) for the Kurds doesn't make you a better person either. You either care or don't care, but a religious gesture to SHOW God physixally that you care has no effect when he can see into your heart and mind anyways.

For people who pray, truly caring about someone means you pray for them.   If you don't believe in prayer, fine; maybe save that argument for another time when people aren't expressing their concern about a crisis in another land in the best way they know how.

I think his point is less "don't pray" as it is "if you're going to say 'thoughts and prayers,' you had better be actually thinking about and praying for them, and not just moving on as soon as you press send." Graham can write "thoughts and prayers," but it means nothing unless he actually finds it in himself do his part in fixing the problem.
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« Reply #143 on: October 09, 2019, 10:43:27 PM »


Oh, look, a Republican offering the victims of imminent genocide "thoughts and prayers".



Oh look, an opportunity to denigrate religion for no reason.   

Not praying for the Kurds doesn't make you a better person.
Praying (virtue signalling to God) for the Kurds doesn't make you a better person either. You either care or don't care, but a religious gesture to SHOW God physixally that you care has no effect when he can see into your heart and mind anyways.

For people who pray, truly caring about someone means you pray for them.   If you don't believe in prayer, fine; maybe save that argument for another time when people aren't expressing their concern about a crisis in another land in the best way they know how.

I think his point is less "don't pray" as it is "if you're going to say 'thoughts and prayers,' you had better be actually thinking about and praying for them, and not just moving on as soon as you press send." Graham can write "thoughts and prayers," but it means nothing unless he actually finds it in himself do his part in fixing the problem.

Mentioning prayer shouldn't be treated as a sign you're not doing other things.  If there are things that Graham and other members of Congress could be doing right now that they aren't, that might be worth pointing out.
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« Reply #144 on: October 09, 2019, 10:51:49 PM »

The next President is going to have to be conducting a global apology tour for the entirety of their term.

What a f**king joke, lmao.

Having troops on the ground in foreign countries is bad, unless Trump pulls them out. Then it's good. Orange man bad

There were 250 troops more or less withdrawn. And their presence alone will was keeping the Peace as a trigger, and provided crucial reconnaissance and logistical support for our allies. Gain some perspective.
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« Reply #145 on: October 09, 2019, 10:52:40 PM »


Oh, look, a Republican offering the victims of imminent genocide "thoughts and prayers".



Oh look, an opportunity to denigrate religion for no reason.  

Not praying for the Kurds doesn't make you a better person.
Praying (virtue signalling to God) for the Kurds doesn't make you a better person either. You either care or don't care, but a religious gesture to SHOW God physixally that you care has no effect when he can see into your heart and mind anyways.

For people who pray, truly caring about someone means you pray for them.   If you don't believe in prayer, fine; maybe save that argument for another time when people aren't expressing their concern about a crisis in another land in the best way they know how.

I think his point is less "don't pray" as it is "if you're going to say 'thoughts and prayers,' you had better be actually thinking about and praying for them, and not just moving on as soon as you press send." Graham can write "thoughts and prayers," but it means nothing unless he actually finds it in himself do his part in fixing the problem.

Mentioning prayer shouldn't be treated as a sign you're not doing other things.  If there are things that Graham and other members of Congress could be doing right now that they aren't, that might be worth pointing out.
This is true. I was just directly responding to "not praying doesn't make you a better person" and pointing out that praying doesn't either. Prayer can only go so far in terms of solving problems. Let the holy spirit give you the strength to help you take action beyond prayer, if you are in any position to do so.
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« Reply #146 on: October 09, 2019, 10:56:24 PM »


Oh, look, a Republican offering the victims of imminent genocide "thoughts and prayers".



Oh look, an opportunity to denigrate religion for no reason.  

Not praying for the Kurds doesn't make you a better person.
Praying (virtue signalling to God) for the Kurds doesn't make you a better person either. You either care or don't care, but a religious gesture to SHOW God physixally that you care has no effect when he can see into your heart and mind anyways.

For people who pray, truly caring about someone means you pray for them.   If you don't believe in prayer, fine; maybe save that argument for another time when people aren't expressing their concern about a crisis in another land in the best way they know how.

I think his point is less "don't pray" as it is "if you're going to say 'thoughts and prayers,' you had better be actually thinking about and praying for them, and not just moving on as soon as you press send." Graham can write "thoughts and prayers," but it means nothing unless he actually finds it in himself do his part in fixing the problem.

Mentioning prayer shouldn't be treated as a sign you're not doing other things.  If there are things that Graham and other members of Congress could be doing right now that they aren't, that might be worth pointing out.
This is true. I was just directly responding to "not praying doesn't make you a better person" and pointing out that praying doesn't either. Prayer can only go so far in terms of solving problems. Let the holy spirit give you the strength to help you take action beyond prayer, if you are in any position to do so.

There's a saying "pray like it's all up to God, work like it's all up to you". Too many Christians have internalized only one or the other of those clauses.
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« Reply #147 on: October 10, 2019, 02:51:34 AM »

What Donald Trump said about the Kurds makes him a very huge piece of s**t.
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« Reply #148 on: October 10, 2019, 03:28:56 AM »

It's not like the US had a massive presence in that area of Syria, rather it was the mere presence of the US in that part of Syria that made all the difference, as Turkey would never launch an attack on the US. So basically Trump is saying that withdrawing a few hundred US soldiers is more important than protecting the lives of a key ally in the region. Terrible, terrible decision on ever level. Even more so when you consider that Trump probably did this because he gained some kind of personal favour from Erdogan.
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« Reply #149 on: October 10, 2019, 06:24:46 AM »

It's not like the US had a massive presence in that area of Syria, rather it was the mere presence of the US in that part of Syria that made all the difference, as Turkey would never launch an attack on the US. So basically Trump is saying that withdrawing a few hundred US soldiers is more important than protecting the lives of a key ally in the region. Terrible, terrible decision on ever level. Even more so when you consider that Trump probably did this because he gained some kind of personal favour from Erdogan.

Honestly curious to what that favor would be. There was definitely a bribe of some sort.
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