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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2019, 09:27:12 PM »

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They must have gotten the numbers flipped. I was assured by the pundits and our Atlas Forum scholars that Trump would surge in Northern Virginia if Democrats nominated a SOCIALIST!!!

When are these people ever wrong?

Mr Computer would short circuit if and when Warren clears 60% in Loudoun County and wins Virginia Beach and Chesterfield County


Hahahahaha the latter two are not happening
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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2019, 09:28:18 PM »

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They must have gotten the numbers flipped. I was assured by the pundits and our Atlas Forum scholars that Trump would surge in Northern Virginia if Democrats nominated a SOCIALIST!!!

When are these people ever wrong?

Mr Computer would short circuit if and when Warren clears 60% in Loudoun County and wins Virginia Beach and Chesterfield County


Hahahahaha the latter two are not happening

They just voted Democrat for Congress overwhelmingly, but you make a good point
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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2019, 09:29:08 PM »

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They must have gotten the numbers flipped. I was assured by the pundits and our Atlas Forum scholars that Trump would surge in Northern Virginia if Democrats nominated a SOCIALIST!!!

When are these people ever wrong?

Mr Computer would short circuit if and when Warren clears 60% in Loudoun County and wins Virginia Beach and Chesterfield County


Hahahahaha the latter two are not happening

They just voted Democrat for Congress overwhelmingly, but you make a good point

Yah in a Dem Wave year , if Warren is the nominee there is a higher chance  2020 will be a GOP wave year than a Dem one and Warren will do worse than Hillary in both upper middle class suburbs and WWC Suburbs
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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2019, 09:30:21 PM »

I like how the title makes you think first it will be a Maryland poll, then Washington, and then finally Virginia.
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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2019, 09:30:58 PM »

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Sanders 53
Trump 38

They must have gotten the numbers flipped. I was assured by the pundits and our Atlas Forum scholars that Trump would surge in Northern Virginia if Democrats nominated a SOCIALIST!!!

When are these people ever wrong?

Mr Computer would short circuit if and when Warren clears 60% in Loudoun County and wins Virginia Beach and Chesterfield County


Hahahahaha the latter two are not happening

They just voted Democrat for Congress overwhelmingly, but you make a good point

Yah in a Dem Wave year , if Warren is the nominee 2020 will be a GOP wave year

Yeah all Trump has to do is scream SOCIALIST

You make a good argument
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« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2019, 09:31:16 PM »

I like how the title makes you think first it will be a Maryland poll, then Washington, and then finally Virginia.

And all three would be pointless because they're all safe D. Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2019, 09:33:46 PM »

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Sanders 53
Trump 38

They must have gotten the numbers flipped. I was assured by the pundits and our Atlas Forum scholars that Trump would surge in Northern Virginia if Democrats nominated a SOCIALIST!!!

When are these people ever wrong?

Mr Computer would short circuit if and when Warren clears 60% in Loudoun County and wins Virginia Beach and Chesterfield County


Hahahahaha the latter two are not happening

They just voted Democrat for Congress overwhelmingly, but you make a good point

Yah in a Dem Wave year , if Warren is the nominee 2020 will be a GOP wave year

Yeah all Trump has to do is scream SOCIALIST

You make a good argument


Well no cause Bernie would have an excellent chance of winning the Presidency while Warren would clearly be the underdog. Warren has all the negatives Bernie will when it comes to the Sunbelt but has none of the positives when it comes to the Midwest . So Warren as the nominee would do bad almost everywhere compared to an average democrat


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« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2019, 09:36:38 PM »

I remember when Democrats underestimated Trump in 2016.

I wonder what will happen if Republicans do the same for Warren
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« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2019, 09:45:16 PM »

I remember when Democrats underestimated Trump in 2016.

I wonder what will happen if Republicans do the same for Warren

Warren is for : Massively Hiking Taxes , Is Anti-Business, Is for open borders and for packing the courts . She is open about all those things as well and while you could manage to be for one or maybe two of these things being for all 4 will make her a clear underdog in the race .


Heck anyone who is for packing the courts can’t make an argument that Trump is destroying democracy because what they would set of would be far far worse and most people would agree .

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« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2019, 09:47:21 PM »

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They must have gotten the numbers flipped. I was assured by the pundits and our Atlas Forum scholars that Trump would surge in Northern Virginia if Democrats nominated a SOCIALIST!!!

When are these people ever wrong?

That’s still true - the numbers are just offset by Bernie landsliding in Appalachian Virginia
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« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2019, 09:47:36 PM »

I remember when Democrats underestimated Trump in 2016.

I wonder what will happen if Republicans do the same for Warren

Warren is for : Massively Hiking Taxes , Is Anti-Business, Is for open borders and for packing the courts . She is open about all those things as well and while you could manage to be for one or maybe two of these things being for all 4 will make her a clear underdog in the race .


Heck anyone who is for packing the courts can’t make an argument that Trump is destroying democracy because what they would set of would be far far worse and most people would agree .



Republicans advocate policies and wars that are far less popular than any of the red herrings you just accused Warren of supporting. They are doing just fine.
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« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2019, 09:54:35 PM »


False, unless you're talking purely about the wealthiest Americans.


Nope, try again.


And people say I use strawmen...


Alright, finally something true, but Trump supported a myriad of things incredibly unpopular with the American public in 2016, and didn't exactly lose votes for it. Even if Democrats aren't fond of packing the courts, they won't run to Trump or vote Third Party on that alone. And even though I have mixed feelings about packing the court, I'll make an argument: The Supreme Court is already broken, and McConnell was instrumental in dealing the final blow to it. Sorry, "most people" who dislike Trump aren't going to agree with you, even if you consider yourself a "moderate."
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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2019, 09:55:19 PM »

I remember when Democrats underestimated Trump in 2016.

I wonder what will happen if Republicans do the same for Warren

Warren is for : Massively Hiking Taxes , Is Anti-Business, Is for open borders and for packing the courts . She is open about all those things as well and while you could manage to be for one or maybe two of these things being for all 4 will make her a clear underdog in the race .


Heck anyone who is for packing the courts can’t make an argument that Trump is destroying democracy because what they would set of would be far far worse and most people would agree .



Republicans advocate policies and wars that are far less popular than any of the red herrings you just accused Warren of supporting. They are doing just fine.


Lol no , open borders and packing the courts are extremely unpopular and deserve to be and while I wished support do Socialist economic policies were the death nail of any candidacy as before once you add those with open borders and packing the courts it very well might be .


If it was anyone but Trump it would easily be , and even with Trump she would be an underdog
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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2019, 09:57:53 PM »


False, unless you're talking purely about the wealthiest Americans.


Nope, try again.


And people say I use strawmen...


Alright, finally something true, but Trump supported a myriad of things incredibly unpopular with the American public in 2016, and didn't exactly lose votes for it. Even if Democrats aren't fond of packing the courts, they won't run to Trump or vote Third Party on that alone. And even though I have mixed feelings about packing the court, I'll make an argument: The Supreme Court is already broken, and McConnell was instrumental in dealing the final blow to it. Sorry, "most people" who dislike Trump aren't going to agree with you, even if you consider yourself a "moderate."

Single payer will hike taxes on all of us whether she wants to admit it or not and Her wealth tax would be a disaster for businesses  in this country . Lol she might not say she’s for open borders but if you are supportive of decriminalizing illegal border crossing than you very well are for open borders
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« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2019, 09:58:09 PM »

I’m even more excited about my decision to support Warren now, knowing that your political instincts leave a lot to be desired
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« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2019, 10:01:38 PM »


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I actually agree that Democrats are not going to do better in 2020 in Virginia than Tim Kaine did against Corey Stewart in 2018. This poll shows Biden actually doing better, with Sanders and Warren only being 1 point behind.
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« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2019, 10:04:18 PM »


Just like the trends where Clinton won Pike County, Ohio in 2016 because Romney only won it by 1 vote while losing nationally by under 4, after McCain won it by substantially more while losing nationally by over 7.

Nope; Took a hard turn to the right; 66-30 Trump.
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« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2019, 10:07:05 PM »

Packing the Courts is objectively the most pro-democracy way of changing their composition. Its way closer to feudalism than to democracy when the composition only changes as a result of a random death date or a retirement date specifically picked by the retiring judge.
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« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2019, 10:08:41 PM »


Just like the trends where Clinton won Pike County, Ohio in 2016 because Romney only won it by 1 vote while losing nationally by under 4, after McCain won it by substantially more while losing nationally by over 7.

Nope; Took a hard turn to the right; 66-30 Trump.

Yes, this is a 97% White county where les than 25% of people have college degrees. That proves my point precisely
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« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2019, 10:08:53 PM »

I remember when Democrats underestimated Trump in 2016.

I wonder what will happen if Republicans do the same for Warren

Warren is for : Massively Hiking Taxes , Is Anti-Business, Is for open borders and for packing the courts . She is open about all those things as well and while you could manage to be for one or maybe two of these things being for all 4 will make her a clear underdog in the race .


Heck anyone who is for packing the courts can’t make an argument that Trump is destroying democracy because what they would set of would be far far worse and most people would agree .



So in other words, you're saying "I don't like all these things that Warren supports, so therefore the general electorate must not like them either and those few positions alone would keep her as a clear underdog and she obviously won't win the presidency since she has a few positions that are unpopular."

That's A+ political analysis right there!
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« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2019, 10:10:29 PM »


Just like the trends where Clinton won Pike County, Ohio in 2016 because Romney only won it by 1 vote while losing nationally by under 4, after McCain won it by substantially more while losing nationally by over 7.

Nope; Took a hard turn to the right; 66-30 Trump.

Yes, this is a 97% White county where les than 25% of people have college degrees. That proves my point precisely

No, it proves that trends from cycle A to cycle B and from cycle B to cycle C are nothing more than sets of random independent variables, if not slightly negatively correlated.
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« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2019, 10:17:13 PM »

I don't see what is so hard about believing Virginia could go for the Democratic nominee by double digits against Donald Trump. He is regularly underwater in his approvals there by double digits, the last Republican Senate nominee lost by 16 (!) points, and the House popular vote went to the Democrats by 13.84 points (!!). It's one thing to argue, "oh, it was STEWART and just him!" but a whole other story with the House PV.

The fact is, Virginia has been trending towards Democrats for a long time now, and yes, it has sped up under Trump. Plenty of states did the opposite under Obama. It's not the first time nor will it be the last.
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« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2019, 10:18:09 PM »

Also, here are some facts:

Comstock ran ahead of Stewart by 9 points in 2018.
Taylor ran ahead of Stewart by 8 points in 2018.
Brat ran ahead of Stewart by 4 points in 2018.
Riggleman ran ahead of Stewart by 4 points in 2018.
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« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2019, 10:22:23 PM »

I don't see what is so hard about believing Virginia could go for the Democratic nominee by double digits against Donald Trump. He is regularly underwater in his approvals there by double digits, the last Republican Senate nominee lost by 16 (!) points, and the House popular vote went to the Democrats by 13.84 points (!!). It's one thing to argue, "oh, it was STEWART and just him!" but a whole other story with the House PV.

The fact is, Virginia has been trending towards Democrats for a long time now, and yes, it has sped up under Trump. Plenty of states did the opposite under Obama. It's not the first time nor will it be the last.

The Virginia House popular vote was skewed a bit by a Congressional District where Kaine won by 42 points having no Republican candidate. Add a candidate and say that they outrun Stewart by 5 points to lose by 37 (which is a fair estimate imo), and that is a better margin to go with.
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« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2019, 10:27:05 PM »

I remember when Democrats underestimated Trump in 2016.

I wonder what will happen if Republicans do the same for Warren

Warren is for : Massively Hiking Taxes , Is Anti-Business, Is for open borders and for packing the courts . She is open about all those things as well and while you could manage to be for one or maybe two of these things being for all 4 will make her a clear underdog in the race .


Heck anyone who is for packing the courts can’t make an argument that Trump is destroying democracy because what they would set of would be far far worse and most people would agree .



So in other words, you're saying "I don't like all these things that Warren supports, so therefore the general electorate must not like them either and those few positions alone would keep her as a clear underdog and she obviously won't win the presidency since she has a few positions that are unpopular."

That's A+ political analysis right there!


Wrong I straight up said I think Bernie has a pretty good chance and I disagree with him more than I do without warren
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