Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread v2 (pg 77 - declares victory in Iowa)

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Bernie Sanders was a proponent of neoliberal policies in 1996. Here's a video of him calling for privatizing social security. If the frontrunner for the nomination, Joe Biden, is fair game then so is the socialist senator from Vermont.

https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1220107221272535041

You could also check the "adjustments" he proposed to figure out that they weren't cuts, but go off.

It's very clear from the article that Bernie wanted to make adjustments to social security which would involve cutting the program for millions of senior Americans. Bernie surrogates have been attacking Biden for dishonest attacks when he has been defending the program against conservative rhetoric since being elected to congress. What does AOC have to say about this recent discovery?

The specific context of the "adjustments" to Social Security that Bernie proposed after he was elected doesn't matter. The news lady told me it could mean something else, so it could mean something else.

Are you even listening to yourself? You're literally advocating for "alternative facts" here.

[Rookie Yinzer]

^Are we going to ignore the 1984 social security Freeze he proposed with Grassley?

A freeze is not a cut. He also proposed a freeze on military spending until they negotiated cuts for other items that would reduce the deficit. Are y'all going to say he wanted to cut the budget of the military as well or no because then that would shatter the image that he's a craven war hawk that wants to send everybody to die for profit?

[It’s so Joever]

https://twitter.com/KHiveQueenB/status/1219740182410223616

Again: Trump supporters don't get to determine the best candidate in the primary.

Tell that to 2016 (Atlas user) SN, and NYCMM.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

And that totally backs up what Jennifer Epstein is saying, which is that if "adjustments" means "cuts" then you should also apply that to Sanders. Or does it only mean "cuts" when Biden, who has never wanted to cut social security, says it?

The situations aren't comparable. The Damn Social Security Bill, right after Bernie got elected, explains that he didn't want to cut it. To suggest otherwise is alternative facts.

As for Biden, I'm more trusting than the average Berniecrat here. Maybe it's my nostalgia, like everything else that gives me a generally positive view of Biden, but I'd be willing to hear him out. The big question that needs to be answered is how much Biden and his men were pushing chained CPI in 2010. With the information I have at my fingertips, it doesn't look good.

[QAnonKelly]

Please stop filling up the thread with vapid quotes from random Twitter people, I enjoy coming here exactly to get away from that. It's also quite telling that some posters use posts like it as stand ins for their opinions. Don't you have any intelligent thoughts of your own to contribute?

The tweets are contributions to forum discussion. What's been uttered by the largest social media platform on earth is vital to what anyone of else have to say about the election. Don't get me wrong, I love a good detail post that goes in-depth without the crassness that sometimes plagues Twitter posts, as they can distort the truth and turn the fact into a myth.

Delete Twitter man. It’ll do you a lot of good.

[redjohn]

The nomination is no longer Biden's to lose. Bernie's much better suited to win than in 2016. Fingers crossed that the race keeps trending in his direction in the lead-up to Iowa. He really might just win this thing.

[Cape Verde]

Did Hillary's attack on Bernie help Bernie's poll numbers? Anti-establishment democrats could have viewed Hillary's words as a wake-up call.

[Devout Centrist]

^Are we going to ignore the 1984 social security Freeze he proposed with Grassley?

A freeze is not a cut.

It's basically a cut once inflation is taken into account.

[Senator Spark]

Did Hillary's attack on Bernie help Bernie's poll numbers? Anti-establishment democrats could have viewed Hillary's words as a wake-up call.

Definitely. Hillary has a way of defeating herself and dividing the party so.. yes.

[Ebsy]

Did Hillary's attack on Bernie help Bernie's poll numbers? Anti-establishment democrats could have viewed Hillary's words as a wake-up call.

If it did I would not expect to see it until we get some more recent polling occurring after, you know, she made her contributions to the discourse.

[Bidenworth2020]

The nomination is no longer Biden's to lose. Bernie's much better suited to win than in 2016. Fingers crossed that the race keeps trending in his direction in the lead-up to Iowa. He really might just win this thing.

LOL, peak atlas. 1 very good poll and one decent poll come out and suddenly the race is a tossup for Bernie. Bernie is rising, and at the right time no less, but the race is still very much Biden's to lose.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Did Hillary's attack on Bernie help Bernie's poll numbers? Anti-establishment democrats could have viewed Hillary's words as a wake-up call.

Yes, Hillary's attack on Bernie on 1/21 is what caused his numbers to rise in a poll taken 1/16 to 1/19.

[ElectionsGuy]

The nomination is no longer Biden's to lose. Bernie's much better suited to win than in 2016. Fingers crossed that the race keeps trending in his direction in the lead-up to Iowa. He really might just win this thing.

Sorry but the numbers on page 12 of this poll would indicate that this is still Biden's to lose. Although yes he is definitely in better shape than in 2016.

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1220317352006430720?s=20

[ElectionsGuy]

Here we go again...

[Cinemark]

Guess its oppo dump time.

Edit: My two cents, better out now than in October.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Eh... Biden has said equally trash things and it’s not going to make anyone back down from supporting Sanders.

This is what happens when the two leading contenders are old ass white men born before D-Day.

[Donerail]

The phrase "wage slavery" has a long history in the labor movement, especially in the radical wing — might seem like an offensive comparison now, but it was a common phrase among union leaders at the time. Odd that this context wasn't included in the article...

[Lord Halifax]

The phrase "wage slavery" has a long history in the labor movement, especially in the radical wing — might seem like an offensive comparison now, but it was a common phrase among union leaders at the time. Odd that this context wasn't included in the article...

Slavery has existed throughout history in many forms and continue to exist (sex slavery, enslaved workers, debt slavery, prison work etc.) and the idea that it can only be used about black plantation slaves and that it's offensive to use it about anything else is stupid and ahistorical.

Raped, beaten, exploited: the 21st-century slavery propping up Sicilian farming
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/mar/12/slavery-sicily-farming-raped-beaten-exploited-romanian-women

[JerryArkansas]

The phrase "wage slavery" has a long history in the labor movement, especially in the radical wing — might seem like an offensive comparison now, but it was a common phrase among union leaders at the time. Odd that this context wasn't included in the article...

How is context lost?  He compared the selling of a mine to the chattel slavery in the South.  Jesus why the hell will you guys twist yourselves into pretzels to defend this?  You don't have too.  I don't understand.

The phrase "wage slavery" has a long history in the labor movement, especially in the radical wing — might seem like an offensive comparison now, but it was a common phrase among union leaders at the time. Odd that this context wasn't included in the article...

Slavery has existed throughout history in many forms and continue to exist (sex slavery, enslaved workers, debt slavery, prison work etc.) and the idea that it can only be used about black plantation slaves and that it's offensive to use it about anything else is stupid and ahistorical.

Raped, beaten, exploited: the 21st-century slavery propping up Sicilian farming
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/mar/12/slavery-sicily-farming-raped-beaten-exploited-romanian-women

And that isn't the argument here, and saying it is seems very gaslighty on your part.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1220318826228789248



Let see what is gonna happen, but it looks fairly good for Bernie for now. Waiting for Iowa polls.





https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/upshot/polls-bernie-sanders-chances.html
What Polling Tells Us About Bernie Sanders’s Chances
He’s gaining, and he has some considerable advantages he lacked in 2016.

At this point in 2016, Bernie Sanders was competitive in Iowa but had no clear path to the nomination. Four years later, he finds himself in an enviable position: rising in the polls, enjoying the most resources, and facing relatively few attacks from his campaign rivals.

A CNN/SSRS poll on Wednesday found him leading Joe Biden nationwide, 27 percent to 24 percent. In an average of polls, Mr. Biden still leads by about six percentage points, but his advantage over Mr. Sanders has been cut in half over the last three months.

Mr. Sanders’s position may be even better in the early states. The Selzer poll, Iowa’s most highly awaited survey, shows him with a narrow lead in Iowa. Other polls show him gaining, though split on exactly where he stands in a divided field. He also remains well positioned in New Hampshire, giving him a chance to sweep the two early states.

Large elements of the Democratic establishment strongly oppose Mr. Sanders, who is not a Democrat, raising the possibility of a vigorous campaign to stop him if he emerges as a front-runner. But it is clear that if he wins the early states, he will not face the obstacles that made it all but impossible for him to win the nomination in 2016.

[OneJ]

Eh... Biden has said equally trash things and it’s not going to make anyone back down from supporting Sanders.

This is what happens when the two leading contenders are old ass white men born before D-Day.

Exactly. I'm not sure why they're bringing something like this up as if it'll hurt his campaign. Like Biden, he has a base that's not leaving him. Harris learned this the hard way after debate 1B as time went on. Biden's voters were willing to look past that on the basis of his perceived electability, familiarity with him, etc.

Bernie's in a similar case, but for different reasons.

[Beet]

Watchdog files FEC complaint against pro-Sanders nonprofit

"WASHINGTON (AP) — The watchdog group Common Cause filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday, alleging that Our Revolution, a political nonprofit organization founded by Bernie Sanders, violated campaign finance law by accepting donations in excess of federal limits while boosting his White House ambitions...

Our Revolution has taken in nearly $1 million from donors whose contributions exceeded those limits and whose identities it hasn’t fully disclosed, according to tax filings for 2016, 2017 and 2018. Much of it came from donors who contributed six-figure sums."

https://apnews.com/cd7a58676b6fc8cbe2f9783f469d0bee

[Eraserhead]

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1220317352006430720?s=20

Wow, they better find something better than this!

Also, is there a reason they turned him orange in the image or...?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1220317352006430720?s=20

Wow, they better find something better than this!

Also, is there a reason they turned him orange in the image or...?

Implicit Trump comparison?