Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread v2 (pg 77 - declares victory in Iowa)

[GoTfan]

Answer: It was a concerted effort to halt a progressive from attaining a leadership position.

Tom Perez was considered something of a progressive hero too, up until the moment he dared to challenge Ellison.
Supporting Sanders and his minions isn't the be-all end-all of progressivism.

Then why does he challenge Ellison at Obama's request?

[GoTfan]

This is such a silly complaint, man.

There's nothing wrong with Obama going out and asking someone to run for a position if he feels that person would do a better job.  If Ellison was such a great candidate he wouldn't have gotten his ass whooped by a "last-minute entrant" (by the way, that "last-minute" was two months before the race, and Perez/Obama probably waited until after the 2016 election to decide).

That isn't an establishment conspiracy to stop Bernie Sanders.  And it's certainly not something that justifies Bernie leading his supporters to boo the "Democratic establishment" over Republicans and Trump.

By the way, wasn't one of Bernie's chief complaints in 2016 that the DNC wasn't impartial, and he wanted it to be impartial?  Why is it a big conspiracy that Ellison didn't become chair, if the point was for the DNC to be impartial?  Could it be that Bernie actually wanted Ellison to make the DNC an arm of the Sanders campaign?

You're assuming either of them acted in good faith, which is a bad start. Perez was apparently extremely reluctant to run in the first place, and was basically shoved in by Obama, or at least that's what every single media outlet said, and then we were told there was no difference in their positions. Why would Perez be forced to run if he and Ellison had fundamentally similar ideas?

Answer: It was a concerted effort to halt a progressive from attaining a leadership position.

Maybe Obama, having worked with Perez for several years, thought he would be a more effective leader than the easily-demonized, obviously biased Ellison?

I also don't see what's wrong with trying to stop a Bernie ally from taking over the DNC.  Bernie's obviously playing a partisan game and declared war on the DNC, why isn't the DNC allowed to push back?  Perez easily defeated Ellison so obviously Ellison wasn't a very appealing candidate in the first place.

You're acting like this was all some big conspiracy to stop Sanders from gaining power when there's really no conspiracy to it.  There are a lot of reasons why Obama and the majority of DNC members preferred Perez to Ellison.  Ellison being a pawn of Sanders was one of those reasons.  It probably wasn't the most important reason.

Perez isn't obviously biased? he said the DNC shuld stay out of primaries. He then went and endorsed a primary candidate in his capacity as DNC chair.

It was a deliberate attempt to prevent progressives from gaining a leadership position and a chance for Obama to maintain his grip on the party.

[GeneralMacArthur]

This is such a silly complaint, man.

There's nothing wrong with Obama going out and asking someone to run for a position if he feels that person would do a better job.  If Ellison was such a great candidate he wouldn't have gotten his ass whooped by a "last-minute entrant" (by the way, that "last-minute" was two months before the race, and Perez/Obama probably waited until after the 2016 election to decide).

That isn't an establishment conspiracy to stop Bernie Sanders.  And it's certainly not something that justifies Bernie leading his supporters to boo the "Democratic establishment" over Republicans and Trump.

By the way, wasn't one of Bernie's chief complaints in 2016 that the DNC wasn't impartial, and he wanted it to be impartial?  Why is it a big conspiracy that Ellison didn't become chair, if the point was for the DNC to be impartial?  Could it be that Bernie actually wanted Ellison to make the DNC an arm of the Sanders campaign?

You're assuming either of them acted in good faith, which is a bad start. Perez was apparently extremely reluctant to run in the first place, and was basically shoved in by Obama, or at least that's what every single media outlet said, and then we were told there was no difference in their positions. Why would Perez be forced to run if he and Ellison had fundamentally similar ideas?

Answer: It was a concerted effort to halt a progressive from attaining a leadership position.

Maybe Obama, having worked with Perez for several years, thought he would be a more effective leader than the easily-demonized, obviously biased Ellison?

I also don't see what's wrong with trying to stop a Bernie ally from taking over the DNC.  Bernie's obviously playing a partisan game and declared war on the DNC, why isn't the DNC allowed to push back?  Perez easily defeated Ellison so obviously Ellison wasn't a very appealing candidate in the first place.

You're acting like this was all some big conspiracy to stop Sanders from gaining power when there's really no conspiracy to it.  There are a lot of reasons why Obama and the majority of DNC members preferred Perez to Ellison.  Ellison being a pawn of Sanders was one of those reasons.  It probably wasn't the most important reason.

Perez isn't obviously biased? he said the DNC shuld stay out of primaries. He then went and endorsed a primary candidate in his capacity as DNC chair.

It was a deliberate attempt to prevent progressives from gaining a leadership position and a chance for Obama to maintain his grip on the party.

I didn't think the Cuomo endorsement was appropriate, even though Cynthia Nixon is a ginormous idiot.

You can layer on all the insinuations and hostile assumptions you want, but the truth is you have no idea why Perez ran, why Obama asked him to run, why the party supported him, or why people wanted Ellison out.  Reasons may include:

• Perez being a guy Obama knew and could vouch for
• Ellison being a jackass with a checkered past and poor political instincts
• Perez being more qualified for the job due to better connections + ideas
• The party specifically not wanting a Bernie Sanders pawn to take control of the apparatus
• The DNC hates progressives and progressive ideas

You've just assumed it's the last one based on nothing other than your wanting it to be true.

[GoTfan]

This is such a silly complaint, man.

There's nothing wrong with Obama going out and asking someone to run for a position if he feels that person would do a better job.  If Ellison was such a great candidate he wouldn't have gotten his ass whooped by a "last-minute entrant" (by the way, that "last-minute" was two months before the race, and Perez/Obama probably waited until after the 2016 election to decide).

That isn't an establishment conspiracy to stop Bernie Sanders.  And it's certainly not something that justifies Bernie leading his supporters to boo the "Democratic establishment" over Republicans and Trump.

By the way, wasn't one of Bernie's chief complaints in 2016 that the DNC wasn't impartial, and he wanted it to be impartial?  Why is it a big conspiracy that Ellison didn't become chair, if the point was for the DNC to be impartial?  Could it be that Bernie actually wanted Ellison to make the DNC an arm of the Sanders campaign?

You're assuming either of them acted in good faith, which is a bad start. Perez was apparently extremely reluctant to run in the first place, and was basically shoved in by Obama, or at least that's what every single media outlet said, and then we were told there was no difference in their positions. Why would Perez be forced to run if he and Ellison had fundamentally similar ideas?

Answer: It was a concerted effort to halt a progressive from attaining a leadership position.

Maybe Obama, having worked with Perez for several years, thought he would be a more effective leader than the easily-demonized, obviously biased Ellison?

I also don't see what's wrong with trying to stop a Bernie ally from taking over the DNC.  Bernie's obviously playing a partisan game and declared war on the DNC, why isn't the DNC allowed to push back?  Perez easily defeated Ellison so obviously Ellison wasn't a very appealing candidate in the first place.

You're acting like this was all some big conspiracy to stop Sanders from gaining power when there's really no conspiracy to it.  There are a lot of reasons why Obama and the majority of DNC members preferred Perez to Ellison.  Ellison being a pawn of Sanders was one of those reasons.  It probably wasn't the most important reason.

Perez isn't obviously biased? he said the DNC shuld stay out of primaries. He then went and endorsed a primary candidate in his capacity as DNC chair.

It was a deliberate attempt to prevent progressives from gaining a leadership position and a chance for Obama to maintain his grip on the party.

I didn't think the Cuomo endorsement was appropriate, even though Cynthia Nixon is a ginormous idiot.

You can layer on all the insinuations and hostile assumptions you want, but the truth is you have no idea why Perez ran, why Obama asked him to run, why the party supported him, or why people wanted Ellison out.  Reasons may include:

• Perez being a guy Obama knew and could vouch for
• Ellison being a jackass with a checkered past and poor political instincts
• Perez being more qualified for the job due to better connections + ideas
• The party specifically not wanting a Bernie Sanders pawn to take control of the apparatus
• The DNC hates progressives and progressive ideas

You've just assumed it's the last one based on nothing other than your wanting it to be true.

Given the hostility that the Democrats have for their progressive wing (and that you seem to have as well), I'd say it's not entirely unfounded.

[Tintrlvr]

Answer: It was a concerted effort to halt a progressive from attaining a leadership position.

Tom Perez was considered something of a progressive hero too, up until the moment he dared to challenge Ellison.
Supporting Sanders and his minions isn't the be-all end-all of progressivism.

Then why does he challenge Ellison at Obama's request?

Are you saying that Ellison was entitled to be DNC chair? Otherwise, this question might as well be why did Ellison run for DNC chair.

[Mr. Smith]

Answer: It was a concerted effort to halt a progressive from attaining a leadership position.

Tom Perez was considered something of a progressive hero too, up until the moment he dared to challenge Ellison.
Supporting Sanders and his minions isn't the be-all end-all of progressivism.

Then why does he challenge Ellison at Obama's request?

Are you saying that Ellison was entitled to be DNC chair? Otherwise, this question might as well be why did Ellison run for DNC chair.

Ok, so tell me whenever did Bill Clinton specifically tap someone to challenge Fast Terry...or was Fast Terry the challenger?

Who challenged Howard Dean or Tim Kaine? What opposition was thrown out at DWS again?

Gee, I guess the answer is yes.

[Tintrlvr]

Answer: It was a concerted effort to halt a progressive from attaining a leadership position.

Tom Perez was considered something of a progressive hero too, up until the moment he dared to challenge Ellison.
Supporting Sanders and his minions isn't the be-all end-all of progressivism.

Then why does he challenge Ellison at Obama's request?

Are you saying that Ellison was entitled to be DNC chair? Otherwise, this question might as well be why did Ellison run for DNC chair.

Ok, so tell me whenever did Bill Clinton specifically tap someone to challenge Fast Terry...or was Fast Terry the challenger?

Who challenged Howard Dean or Tim Kaine? What opposition was thrown out at DWS again?

Gee, I guess the answer is yes.

The fact that previous elections were not contested is completely irrelevant. Is whoever declares first entitled to be chair? What if Perez had announced before Ellison?

[Landslide Lyndon]

Answer: It was a concerted effort to halt a progressive from attaining a leadership position.

Tom Perez was considered something of a progressive hero too, up until the moment he dared to challenge Ellison.
Supporting Sanders and his minions isn't the be-all end-all of progressivism.

Then why does he challenge Ellison at Obama's request?

Are you saying that Ellison was entitled to be DNC chair? Otherwise, this question might as well be why did Ellison run for DNC chair.

It's astonishing that Berniecrats attack the establishment 24/7 and then expect from it to sit on its hands and just accept that a Bernie acolyte like Ellison be coronated DNC president.
That is the definition of arrogance and entitlement.

[GoTfan]

Answer: It was a concerted effort to halt a progressive from attaining a leadership position.

Tom Perez was considered something of a progressive hero too, up until the moment he dared to challenge Ellison.
Supporting Sanders and his minions isn't the be-all end-all of progressivism.

Then why does he challenge Ellison at Obama's request?

Are you saying that Ellison was entitled to be DNC chair? Otherwise, this question might as well be why did Ellison run for DNC chair.

It's astonishing that Berniecrats attack the establishment 24/7 and then expect from it to sit on its hands and just accept that a Bernie acolyte like Ellison be coronated DNC president.
That is the definition of arrogance and entitlement.

Still upset that he had the gall to run for President, I see.

Maybe he should break off into a third party and take his supporters with him. That would make you happy, right?

[Landslide Lyndon]

Still upset that he had the gall to run for President, I see.

Maybe he should break off into a third party and take his supporters with him. That would make you happy, right?

Do you have something relevant to say about the subject we were talking instead of this passive-aggressive malarkey?

[GoTfan]

Still upset that he had the gall to run for President, I see.

Maybe he should break off into a third party and take his supporters with him. That would make you happy, right?

Do you have something relevant to say about the subject we were talking instead of this passive-aggressive malarkey?

Hang on, you're going to give me a lecture in being passive-aggressive?

I think the irony meter just broke.

[Mr. Smith]

Answer: It was a concerted effort to halt a progressive from attaining a leadership position.

Tom Perez was considered something of a progressive hero too, up until the moment he dared to challenge Ellison.
Supporting Sanders and his minions isn't the be-all end-all of progressivism.

Then why does he challenge Ellison at Obama's request?

Are you saying that Ellison was entitled to be DNC chair? Otherwise, this question might as well be why did Ellison run for DNC chair.

Ok, so tell me whenever did Bill Clinton specifically tap someone to challenge Fast Terry...or was Fast Terry the challenger?

Who challenged Howard Dean or Tim Kaine? What opposition was thrown out at DWS again?

Gee, I guess the answer is yes.

The fact that previous elections were not contested is completely irrelevant. Is whoever declares first entitled to be chair? What if Perez had announced before Ellison?

Yes it is. It tells us something about what the role means and the general attitude of the party apparatus. And if Ellison had announced later than Perez, you can no doubt guess how the media would frame it...and I personally would call it a waste, wondering why not stay on in The House and run for Senate at some point.

[Adam Griffin]

Sanders's 538 average (18.1) and RCP average (19.7) are currently at their highest points since April 28-29.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Sanders's 538 average (18.1) and RCP average (19.7) are currently at their highest points since April 28-29.

HOORAY!

[Gracile]

Sanders has had a relatively higher floor compared to other candidates (staying around the same level as the rest of the field fluctuates in support). He has one of the most fervent sand loyal base of supporters, and I wouldn’t count him out for that reason alone.

[Shadows]

For Bernie Sanders' campaign, Asian American voters could be key to California and beyond

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' campaign is working overtime to maximize primary voter turnout in an often overlooked but potentially powerful bloc -- Asian Americans. With a sophisticated network of Asian American and Pacific Islander volunteers and organizers, campaign officials believe building a coalition of support can make a big difference in diverse, delegate-rich states like California, where Asian Americans make up 15% of the population, according to U.S. Census data. Asian American and Pacific Islander voters could potentially have more influence on the 2020 primaries than in previous years, especially in California, where mail-in ballots are set to begin being counted on Feb. 3, 2020 – the same day as the Iowa caucuses.

Faiz Shakir, Sanders' campaign manager, is Pakistani American; California U.S. Rep. Ro Khanna, who was born to Indian immigrants, is a national co-chair of the Sanders campaign; Jane Kim, a former San Francisco supervisor and the first Korean American elected official in the city's history, serves as the campaign's California political director. The campaign has also secured state and local endorsements from Asian American and Pacific Islander elected officials in several states. The Sanders campaign has made campaign materials accessible in six Asian languages: Mandarin Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Tagalog, Hindi and Punjabi. By ABC News' tally, that is more than any other campaign. Fluent volunteers also help craft scripted appeals to prospective voters to ensure Sanders' messaging isn't lost in translation.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-asian-american-voters-key-california/story?id=67762201

[Libertas Vel Mors]

For Bernie Sanders' campaign, Asian American voters could be key to California and beyond

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' campaign is working overtime to maximize primary voter turnout in an often overlooked but potentially powerful bloc -- Asian Americans. With a sophisticated network of Asian American and Pacific Islander volunteers and organizers, campaign officials believe building a coalition of support can make a big difference in diverse, delegate-rich states like California, where Asian Americans make up 15% of the population, according to U.S. Census data. Asian American and Pacific Islander voters could potentially have more influence on the 2020 primaries than in previous years, especially in California, where mail-in ballots are set to begin being counted on Feb. 3, 2020 – the same day as the Iowa caucuses.

Faiz Shakir, Sanders' campaign manager, is Pakistani American; California U.S. Rep. Ro Khanna, who was born to Indian immigrants, is a national co-chair of the Sanders campaign; Jane Kim, a former San Francisco supervisor and the first Korean American elected official in the city's history, serves as the campaign's California political director. The campaign has also secured state and local endorsements from Asian American and Pacific Islander elected officials in several states. The Sanders campaign has made campaign materials accessible in six Asian languages: Mandarin Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Tagalog, Hindi and Punjabi. By ABC News' tally, that is more than any other campaign. Fluent volunteers also help craft scripted appeals to prospective voters to ensure Sanders' messaging isn't lost in translation.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-asian-american-voters-key-california/story?id=67762201

Yes it is well known that having staffers of a certain race or group means winning with that group, that's the story behind Pete's SC surge folks

[Adam Griffin]

Asian voters will only be in a truly tangible position (potentially) to make a difference in 2 states (HI & CA). It's also worth noting that the share of Democratic primary voters who are Asian will almost certainly be lower than their 2016 GE figures in almost every state.

HI  37.6
CA  12.6
NV  7.1
NJ  6.8
WA  5.9
NY  5.8
VA  5.0
AK  4.7
MD  4.6
TX  3.9

There may be other states that end up being very close where a strong Asian performance could make a difference, but even then, 1) that's very unlikely to occur outside of a 2-person race where percentage-based performances are maximized and 2) the same could probably be said about a variety of other groups (i.e. "union workers/young people/middle-class voters/etc made the difference").

[bilaps]

AOC and Bernie going after Pete at LA rally

AOC says that purity tests are having values and giving a damn

Bernie says we don't go to wine caves

[Adam Griffin]

AOC and Bernie going after Pete at LA rally

AOC says that purity tests are having values and giving a damn

Bernie says we don't go to wine caves

https://youtu.be/d6oxkqe6c_Y?t=9883

[PSOL]

Sanders said he will enact national drinking water standards

...

Sanders, a Vermont senator, said instead of spending millions on lawsuits to gut clean water rules, such companies should be paying to clean up contamination. He said as president, he will create national clean water standards for PFAS and other chemicals in an effort to guarantee clean drinking water “as a human right.”

[GeneralMacArthur]

Sanders said he will enact national drinking water standards

...

Sanders, a Vermont senator, said instead of spending millions on lawsuits to gut clean water rules, such companies should be paying to clean up contamination. He said as president, he will create national clean water standards for PFAS and other chemicals in an effort to guarantee clean drinking water “as a human right.”

Do people really think we don't already have standards for our drinking water

[PSOL]

Sanders said he will enact national drinking water standards

...

Sanders, a Vermont senator, said instead of spending millions on lawsuits to gut clean water rules, such companies should be paying to clean up contamination. He said as president, he will create national clean water standards for PFAS and other chemicals in an effort to guarantee clean drinking water “as a human right.”

Do people really think we don't already have standards for our drinking water

Not for PFAS, as reported in this article.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Sanders said he will enact national drinking water standards

...

Sanders, a Vermont senator, said instead of spending millions on lawsuits to gut clean water rules, such companies should be paying to clean up contamination. He said as president, he will create national clean water standards for PFAS and other chemicals in an effort to guarantee clean drinking water “as a human right.”

Do people really think we don't already have standards for our drinking water

Not for PFAS, as reported in this article.

The article says Sanders wants to raise the standard from 70 ppt to 15 ppt.

So there is already a standard, Sanders just doesn't think it's strict enough.

[Mr. Smith]

Sanders said he will enact national drinking water standards

...

Sanders, a Vermont senator, said instead of spending millions on lawsuits to gut clean water rules, such companies should be paying to clean up contamination. He said as president, he will create national clean water standards for PFAS and other chemicals in an effort to guarantee clean drinking water “as a human right.”

Do people really think we don't already have standards for our drinking water

Not for PFAS, as reported in this article.

The article says Sanders wants to raise the standard from 70 ppt to 15 ppt.

So there is already a standard, Sanders just doesn't think it's strict enough.

And he's not wrong in the slightest.