Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread v2 (pg 77 - declares victory in Iowa)

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

AOC endorsment of Sanders haven't done anything for Sanders, Sanders will still place 4th after Warren in the Dem primary

[GeneralMacArthur]

I don't think anyone is disqualified for "standing up" for Tulsi.  Hillary already took one for the team by calling her out.  Nobody else has anything to gain from joining the pile-on.  It's already now going to be really awkward if+when Tulsi runs third-party, and she'll be getting extra scrutiny every time she has yet another shady pro-Russian-imperialism moment.

The difference between Pete/Beto and Bernie is that Pete isn't currently paying Tulsi Gabbard to be a "fellow" in the "Buttigieg Institute", Beto's campaign chair hasn't advocated for Tulsi to be his VP nominee, and when Pete loses he probably will not tolerate Tulsi scurrying all over Fox/Breitbart/RT to use his loss as prime evidence of DNC corruption.  Or at least, if she does do that, he won't then allow her to speak for him at the convention.

We're not talking about Bernie's ties to Tulsi. Beto and Tulsi were friends in Congress, and Pete and Tulsi are linked from the veteran bloc. They're certainly more tenuous than Bernie's, but largely irrelevant to the conversation. We're talking about whether Tulsi is a Manchurian candidate, and we're talking about whether or not Centrist Atlas is concern trolling to dunk on Bernie.

I'd like to have a nice conversation about the merits of Tulsi Gabbard without bad-faith actors holding a 4-year grudge.

Any conversation about the merits of Tulsi needs to be counterbalanced by the fact that she

• Votes in a consistently pro-Russia and pro-Syria manner
• Goes on Fox News and Breitbart regularly to criticize Democrats
• Constantly repeats GOP talking points when criticizing Democrats
• Advocates aggressively for Russia's ideal foreign policy for America
• Constantly repeats Russian talking points about how terrible American foreign policy is
• Outright lies about America and the Democrats, in a manner consistent with promoting GOP+Russia talking points.
• Goes on RT regularly to join the conspiracy theory pile-on, which mainly revolves around Bernie Sanders and accusations of "DNC elites rigging elections"
• Constantly mirrors Russia/GOP-promoted internet conspiracy theories about Bernie Sanders and DNC elites rigging elections, including in the current poll featured on her website, in her "I'm boycotting the debate, oh JK" stunt, and her unhinged tweets about Hillary Clinton.
• Visited Syria (this was supposed to be a secret visit, remember) to hang out with Assad.
• Claims to be puritanically against bloodshed and violence, yet simultaneously stands up for violent, blood-stained leaders like Modi and el-Sisi.
• Is best friends with Steve Bannon
• Met with Trump to audition for a role in his administration
• Defends Trump against impeachment & investigation using GOP/Russia talking points

You can't discuss Tulsi in isolation without taking these things into account.  It would be trying to talk about Trump's record on tax reform in isolation, as if that's reflective of him as a candidate, while ignoring all the other awful things he's said and done.

My main issue with Bernie in all of this is that it feels like he "created" Tulsi Gabbard.  He brought her to prominence and gave her feature roles in his 2016 campaign and his post-2016 organizations.  And he allowed her to use him as a weapon against the Democrats with her "DNC elites rigged election" conspiracies that she pushed in tandem with Russia and the GOP.  Nobody had ever heard the name Tulsi Gabbard before Bernie gave her a platform, just like he did with Tim Canova, who's now a Trump-supporting conspiritard.

Y'all can laugh and think I'm crazy now but in 6 months when Tulsi makes whatever move she's planning, and Bernie Sanders is the only Democrat to not condemn her for it, I'll be the only one not surprised.

[Cassandra]

Do you people really not have anything better to do? This thread ought to be reserved for news and such relating to the Sanders campaign.

[GoTfan]

Look buddy, it'd be one thing if Clinton had produced evidence. I'll wait for a couple of months.

Saint Bernie has accused Democratic leadership of being in the pocket of Wall Street.
Has he any evidence for that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-speeches-wikileaks.html

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/22/dnc-chair-candidate-tom-perezs-bank-friendly-record-could-kneecap-the-democratic-party/

There was also the case in New York where not long after saying the DNC should stay out of primaries, he endorsed Cuomo in the primary.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Look buddy, it'd be one thing if Clinton had produced evidence. I'll wait for a couple of months.

Saint Bernie has accused Democratic leadership of being in the pocket of Wall Street.
Has he any evidence for that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-speeches-wikileaks.html

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/22/dnc-chair-candidate-tom-perezs-bank-friendly-record-could-kneecap-the-democratic-party/

There was also the case in New York where not long after saying the DNC should stay out of primaries, he endorsed Cuomo in the primary.

You guys pick on the loosest straws imaginable.  Being "at ease" with Wall Street, or "friendly" with banks (according to The Intercept, so this probably means Tom Perez used a bank once) does NOT mean that one is corrupt and in the pocket of big banks.

Y'all have thrown around the accusation of corruption so much that it's become totally meaningless.

[GoTfan]

Look buddy, it'd be one thing if Clinton had produced evidence. I'll wait for a couple of months.

Saint Bernie has accused Democratic leadership of being in the pocket of Wall Street.
Has he any evidence for that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-speeches-wikileaks.html

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/22/dnc-chair-candidate-tom-perezs-bank-friendly-record-could-kneecap-the-democratic-party/

There was also the case in New York where not long after saying the DNC should stay out of primaries, he endorsed Cuomo in the primary.

You guys pick on the loosest straws imaginable.  Being "at ease" with Wall Street, or "friendly" with banks (according to The Intercept, so this probably means Tom Perez used a bank once) does NOT mean that one is corrupt and in the pocket of big banks.

Y'all have thrown around the accusation of corruption so much that it's become totally meaningless.

And the New York Times article?

[Landslide Lyndon]

Look buddy, it'd be one thing if Clinton had produced evidence. I'll wait for a couple of months.

Saint Bernie has accused Democratic leadership of being in the pocket of Wall Street.
Has he any evidence for that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-speeches-wikileaks.html

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/22/dnc-chair-candidate-tom-perezs-bank-friendly-record-could-kneecap-the-democratic-party/

There was also the case in New York where not long after saying the DNC should stay out of primaries, he endorsed Cuomo in the primary.

You guys pick on the loosest straws imaginable.  Being "at ease" with Wall Street, or "friendly" with banks (according to The Intercept, so this probably means Tom Perez used a bank once) does NOT mean that one is corrupt and in the pocket of big banks.

Y'all have thrown around the accusation of corruption so much that it's become totally meaningless.

And the New York Times article?

According to your own standard these things aren't hard evidence. You can't demand from the others a hand-written confession while you slander people with nothing more than innuendo and conjecture.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

All of this is meaningless, since the NYT had some shoddy reporting and if you listen to her actual remarks, she said that the right was pushing Tulsi Gabbard as a third-party foil to the Democratic nominee.

[KaiserDave]

All of this is meaningless, since the NYT had some shoddy reporting and if you listen to her actual remarks, she said that the right was pushing Tulsi Gabbard as a third-party foil to the Democratic nominee.

Which is certainly true.

[GoTfan]

Look buddy, it'd be one thing if Clinton had produced evidence. I'll wait for a couple of months.

Saint Bernie has accused Democratic leadership of being in the pocket of Wall Street.
Has he any evidence for that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-speeches-wikileaks.html

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/22/dnc-chair-candidate-tom-perezs-bank-friendly-record-could-kneecap-the-democratic-party/

There was also the case in New York where not long after saying the DNC should stay out of primaries, he endorsed Cuomo in the primary.

You guys pick on the loosest straws imaginable.  Being "at ease" with Wall Street, or "friendly" with banks (according to The Intercept, so this probably means Tom Perez used a bank once) does NOT mean that one is corrupt and in the pocket of big banks.

Y'all have thrown around the accusation of corruption so much that it's become totally meaningless.

And the New York Times article?

According to your own standard these things aren't hard evidence. You can't demand from the others a hand-written confession while you slander people with nothing more than innuendo and conjecture.

Stop dodging.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Stop dodging.

How is this dodging? You said we stop accusing Gabbard of being a Russian asset because there is no evidence for that. And yet you accuse Clinton of being a stooge for Wall Street based on nothing more than assumptions and speculations.
You can't have one standard for a politician and another for someone else.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

All of this is meaningless, since the NYT had some shoddy reporting and if you listen to her actual remarks, she said that the right was pushing Tulsi Gabbard as a third-party foil to the Democratic nominee.

Huh? Hillary did in fact call Gabbard a Russian asset.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

All of this is meaningless, since the NYT had some shoddy reporting and if you listen to her actual remarks, she said that the right was pushing Tulsi Gabbard as a third-party foil to the Democratic nominee.

Huh? Hillary did in fact call Gabbard a Russian asset.

I listened to the actual interview. She said the GOP was propping her up to be a third party.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

All of this is meaningless, since the NYT had some shoddy reporting and if you listen to her actual remarks, she said that the right was pushing Tulsi Gabbard as a third-party foil to the Democratic nominee.

Huh? Hillary did in fact call Gabbard a Russian asset.

I listened to the actual interview. She said the GOP was propping her up to be a third party.

I listened to it too, and she mentioned Russia supporting Gabbard, and then went on to say that Stein is *also* a Russian asset.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

All of this is meaningless, since the NYT had some shoddy reporting and if you listen to her actual remarks, she said that the right was pushing Tulsi Gabbard as a third-party foil to the Democratic nominee.

Huh? Hillary did in fact call Gabbard a Russian asset.

I listened to the actual interview. She said the GOP was propping her up to be a third party.

I listened to it too, and she mentioned Russia supporting Gabbard, and then went on to say that Stein is *also* a Russian asset.

Fair enough. My points still stand, but that's a debate for another thread.

FWIW, Clinton's spokesperson admitted that she meant Gabbard.

[morgankingsley]

I'm wondering why he has not dropped out with his health problems

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

I'm wondering why he has not dropped out with his health problems

If CC Sabathia can pitch a full season of baseball after getting a stent without further heart problems, Bernie Sanders will be fine.

[All Along The Watchtower]

I'm wondering why he has not dropped out with his health problems

Fit as a Bull Moose.

[Canis]

Yall foolish if you think bernies done multiple polls have shown him massively on the rise since the latest debate closing back in on second place

[GoTfan]

Yall foolish if you think bernies done multiple polls have shown him massively on the rise since the latest debate closing back in on second place

Polls only matter when Sanders is not doing well, as we all know.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yall foolish if you think bernies done multiple polls have shown him massively on the rise since the latest debate closing back in on second place

Polls only matter when Sanders is not doing well, as we all know.

Literally not a single poster has ever said this.

[OkThen]

I found this answer he gave at the Justice Forum a little bizarre...

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1188231163372036096?s=20

[Cinemark]

That was a terrible answer.

[TWTown]

Well in some related news, Bernie is holding a rally in Minneapolis on November 3rd. I figured I’d attend since he probably won’t be back to Minnesota for a while.

[TWTown]

That was a terrible answer.

I concur, I kinda groaned watching that video. I still believe his criminal justice ideas are the best for not just African Americans but also all Americans.