MA-SEN Megathread: Senator Markey wins

[MillennialModerate]

Not to brag or anything but being the obvious Kennedy supporter on this forum - I’m the only one that was convinced Markey is in the lead and many (Markey supporters ironically) doubted that claim.

Well here it is...

Really disheartening to see. Can’t see this changing much.

[Upstater]

Not to brag or anything but being the obvious Kennedy supporter on this forum - I’m the only one that was convinced Markey is in the lead and many (Markey supporters ironically) doubted that claim.

Well here it is...

Really disheartening to see. Can’t see this changing much.

I'm getting the feeling that you think Kennedy is out after one poll.  There's a long way until the primary is over.

[GoTfan]

https://twitter.com/WinWithJMC/status/1289210158946508802

Latest MA-Sen Poll from JMC Analytics:

Markey - 40
Kennedy - 36
Undecided - 24

Leans among undecideds:

Markey - 44
Kennedy - 41
Pure undecided - 16

Markey is leading in Middlesex, Essex, Boston proper, and narrowly in Plymouth (surprisingly), while Kennedy is leading in Norfolk, SE Mass, and even slightly in Western Mass

You love to see it.

[MillennialModerate]

Not to brag or anything but being the obvious Kennedy supporter on this forum - I’m the only one that was convinced Markey is in the lead and many (Markey supporters ironically) doubted that claim.

Well here it is...

Really disheartening to see. Can’t see this changing much.

I'm getting the feeling that you think Kennedy is out after one poll.  There's a long way until the primary is over.

The trajectory of this thing is clear.

JK3 has to really asses his future here. If you can’t win as a Kennedy in Massachusetts against ED MARKEY who this state has begging to replace with a competent Democrat since the day he stepped into the role - What future do you really have?

[Blair]

Ironically if this race was in 2018 I actually think Kennedy would have had a much better shot at winning.

Obviously difficult to tell when I'm not in MA & Covid plays a role but I feel that there just isn't as much willingness or energy to rock the boat rn.

[MillennialModerate]

JKIII big mistake was not taking the why are you running thing head on

He should be saying:

“Yes I’m a Kennedy. I’m proud my grandfather is Robert Lennedy. I’m proud my great uncle is President John F Kennedy. I’m proud of how much my family has accomplished in the realm of public service. I’m not shying from that. Do I think that means this seat is my birth right? Absolutely not. It belongs to the people and I have to earn that vote on my own not based on who I’m related too. I run because while I might agree with many same policies as Ed Markey, his execution and effort has left a lot to be desired. I have the motivation and the dedication to be in this state not just when an election rolls around”

[EastAnglianLefty]

Not being able to give a coherent answer when asked why you're running is, to be fair, traditional for a Kennedy.

[brucejoel99]

Not to brag or anything but being the obvious Kennedy supporter on this forum - I’m the only one that was convinced Markey is in the lead and many (Markey supporters ironically) doubted that claim.

Well here it is...

Really disheartening to see. Can’t see this changing much.

I'm getting the feeling that you think Kennedy is out after one poll.  There's a long way until the primary is over.

The trajectory of this thing is clear.

JK3 has to really asses his future here. If you can’t win as a Kennedy in Massachusetts against ED MARKEY who this state has begging to replace with a competent Democrat since the day he stepped into the role - What future do you really have?

Jesus christ, we get it: you (irrationally) hate Ed Markey. That doesn't mean the state of Massachusetts hates Ed Markey. If they did, he wouldn't even have the opportunity to lead in this poll against a relatively popular member of Massachusetts' royalty. If they did, they wouldn't have re-elected him in 2014, elected him in 2013, & sent him to the House 20 times before that. The state isn't begging for Ed Markey to be replaced with a competent Democrat because he already IS a competent Democrat.

The only people begging for it are JKIII & his fan-club (i.e. you), & because the rest of the state doesn't tend to agree with that sense of entitlement (i.e. not only thinking that JKIII is the only Democrat who deserves to replace Markey, but that MA should somehow be grateful that he's offering himself to replace Markey, even though MA doesn't think Markey's done anything wrong, Markey doesn't wanna leave, & they don't seemingly want him to leave yet either), you're not being rewarded for the unnecessary begging.

And please, for all your bowing-down before this practical dynasty, you really seem super-ready to write them off the instant they lose an election that they weren't anywhere near guaranteed to win (let alone practically entitled to win, as you seem to think they were) in the first place.

Losing one primary as a challenger is hardly a death sentence, especially for a Kennedy in Massachusetts. Not only is the guy young & evidently driven by pure ambition, but again, he's still a Kennedy in Massachusetts, so even if he f**ks up this time, you'll end up giving him a 2nd chance a few years from now, be it for Warren's Senate seat (even though it'd be an even harder primary against Pressley) when it's open, or Governor when Baker leaves.

[voice_of_resistance]

Not to brag or anything but being the obvious Kennedy supporter on this forum - I’m the only one that was convinced Markey is in the lead and many (Markey supporters ironically) doubted that claim.

Well here it is...

Really disheartening to see. Can’t see this changing much.

I'm getting the feeling that you think Kennedy is out after one poll.  There's a long way until the primary is over.

The trajectory of this thing is clear.

JK3 has to really asses his future here. If you can’t win as a Kennedy in Massachusetts against ED MARKEY who this state has begging to replace with a competent Democrat since the day he stepped into the role - What future do you really have?

Jesus christ, we get it: you (irrationally) hate Ed Markey. That doesn't mean the state of Massachusetts hates Ed Markey. If they did, he wouldn't even have the opportunity to lead in this poll against a relatively popular member of Massachusetts' royalty. If they did, they wouldn't have re-elected him in 2014, elected him in 2013, & sent him to the House 20 times before that. The state isn't begging for Ed Markey to be replaced with a competent Democrat because he already IS a competent Democrat.

The only people begging for it are JKIII & his fan-club (i.e. you), & because the rest of the state doesn't tend to agree with that sense of entitlement (i.e. not only thinking that JKIII is the only Democrat who deserves to replace Markey, but that MA should somehow be grateful that he's offering himself to replace Markey, even though MA doesn't think Markey's done anything wrong, Markey doesn't wanna leave, & they don't seemingly want him to leave yet either), you're not being rewarded for the unnecessary begging.

And please, for all your bowing-down before this practical dynasty, you really seem super-ready to write them off the instant they lose an election that they weren't anywhere near guaranteed to win (let alone practically entitled to win, as you seem to think they were) in the first place.

Losing one primary as a challenger is hardly a death sentence, especially for a Kennedy in Massachusetts. Not only is the guy young & evidently driven by pure ambition, but again, he's still a Kennedy in Massachusetts, so even if he f**ks up this time, you'll end up giving him a 2nd chance a few years from now, be it for Warren's Senate seat (even though it'd be an even harder primary against Pressley) when it's open, or Governor when Baker leaves.

Yeah, Idk what Millenial Moderate is on, but us here in the MA-05 (formerly MA-07) sent Markey to Congress over 20 times. Clearly he's doing something right if we've sent him there for that long.

[KaiserDave]

JKIII big mistake was not taking the why are you running thing head on

He should be saying:

“Yes I’m a Kennedy. I’m proud my grandfather is Robert Lennedy. I’m proud my great uncle is President John F Kennedy. I’m proud of how much my family has accomplished in the realm of public service. I’m not shying from that. Do I think that means this seat is my birth right? Absolutely not. It belongs to the people and I have to earn that vote on my own not based on who I’m related too. I run because while I might agree with many same policies as Ed Markey, his execution and effort has left a lot to be desired. I have the motivation and the dedication to be in this state not just when an election rolls around”

Can you please explain what’s lacking in his “effort” and “execution”?

[Blair]

To shamelessly plug myself on the first page of this thread I said it was difficult to beat an incumbent who isn't ethically comprised or out of step ideologically with regions voters; this is even more so a case on the democratic side.

I mean off the top of my head the last democratic senator to get primaried was Joe Lieberman right?

[brucejoel99]

To shamelessly plug myself on the first page of this thread I said it was difficult to beat an incumbent who isn't ethically comprised or out of step ideologically with regions voters; this is even more so a case on the democratic side.

I mean off the top of my head the last democratic senator to get primaried was Joe Lieberman right?

Arlen Specter

[GoTfan]

JKIII big mistake was not taking the why are you running thing head on

He should be saying:

“Yes I’m a Kennedy. I’m proud my grandfather is Robert Lennedy. I’m proud my great uncle is President John F Kennedy. I’m proud of how much my family has accomplished in the realm of public service. I’m not shying from that. Do I think that means this seat is my birth right? Absolutely not. It belongs to the people and I have to earn that vote on my own not based on who I’m related too. I run because while I might agree with many same policies as Ed Markey, his execution and effort has left a lot to be desired. I have the motivation and the dedication to be in this state not just when an election rolls around”

Can you please explain what’s lacking in his “effort” and “execution”?

Yeah. You're talking about a guy who's been leading the charge of the environment since the day he entered Congress and co-wrote the GND. Regardless of what you think of his stances, you cannot say he lacks effort.

[Skye]

Pro-Kennedy PAC to launch ad barrage:

https://twitter.com/vgmac/status/1290114126388375552

[MillennialModerate]

Pro-Kennedy PAC to launch ad barrage:

https://twitter.com/vgmac/status/1290114126388375552

Not sure I like this. JK3 has a good point the wah Markey was against outside money in other races and now all of a sudden was taking it - It made Markey look like an opportunist and a fraud. So now having PAC’s run ads for you kind of takes away that point.

[brucejoel99]

Pro-Kennedy PAC to launch ad barrage:

https://twitter.com/vgmac/status/1290114126388375552

Not sure I like this. JK3 has a good point the wah Markey was against outside money in other races and now all of a sudden was taking it - It made Markey look like an opportunist and a fraud. So now having PAC’s run ads for you kind of takes away that point.

You can't spell "joke" without "Joe K."

[RogueBeaver]

Schiff endorses Kennedy.

[Upstater]

Schiff endorses Kennedy.

Didn't think Schiff would endorse in this race but here we are.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Schiff endorses Kennedy.

What’s Schiff said in the past about primary challengers?

[Dipper Josh]

Pro-Kennedy PAC to launch ad barrage:

https://twitter.com/vgmac/status/1290114126388375552

Not sure I like this. JK3 has a good point the wah Markey was against outside money in other races and now all of a sudden was taking it - It made Markey look like an opportunist and a fraud. So now having PAC’s run ads for you kind of takes away that point.

Joe Kennedy turning out to be a massive hypocrite? Who could have possibly predicted that besides everyone except you.

[GoTfan]

Pro-Kennedy PAC to launch ad barrage:

https://twitter.com/vgmac/status/1290114126388375552

Am I alone in thinking that this isn't exactly a good sign for Kennedy?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

To shamelessly plug myself on the first page of this thread I said it was difficult to beat an incumbent who isn't ethically comprised or out of step ideologically with regions voters; this is even more so a case on the democratic side.

I mean off the top of my head the last democratic senator to get primaried was Joe Lieberman right?

Arlen Specter

Arlen Specter was like Representative Michael Forbes and never won a Democratic nomination ever.

[MillennialModerate]

Pro-Kennedy PAC to launch ad barrage:

https://twitter.com/vgmac/status/1290114126388375552

Am I alone in thinking that this isn't exactly a good sign for Kennedy?

Nope

[Blair]

Next they just need to send in FDR Jnr....

Jokes aside this race is a fascinating example of the importance that national campaign groups give you over random hill endorsements.

[Ferguson97]

Let's go Joe