Dayton shooter Connor Betts was an anti-Trump, radical leftist

[Hammy]

anime fan / metalhead .”

Yep, definitely not right in the head.

Are you sure you aren't a Republican? Perhaps a blue avatar would be more appropriate.

What does hating anime have to do with being a Republican?

It used to be VERY common for Republican men to raise their sons to not grow out their hair, be a hippy, smoke weed, or be "different". Sometimes fathers would beat their sons if they disobeyed. Whatvwas encouraged was to bang hot chicks, play sports and be popular. Being a nerd, a beatnik or a unique individual was strongly discouraged by Republicans.

In the 80s yuppies were Republicans

He isn't entirely wrong though, as there tend to be the market conservatives and cultural conservatives, and the farther back you go the wider the differences between the two become.

[OSR stands with Israel]

anime fan / metalhead .”

Yep, definitely not right in the head.

Are you sure you aren't a Republican? Perhaps a blue avatar would be more appropriate.

What does hating anime have to do with being a Republican?

It used to be VERY common for Republican men to raise their sons to not grow out their hair, be a hippy, smoke weed, or be "different". Sometimes fathers would beat their sons if they disobeyed. Whatvwas encouraged was to bang hot chicks, play sports and be popular. Being a nerd, a beatnik or a unique individual was strongly discouraged by Republicans.

In the 80s yuppies were Republicans

He isn't entirely wrong though, as there tend to be the market conservatives and cultural conservatives, and the farther back you go the wider the differences between the two become.

Yes but the 80s binded them together. You could actually say the GOP in the 1980s became a socially conservative neo-liberal party and united under that banner for 30 years

[John Dule]

anime fan / metalhead .”

Yep, definitely not right in the head.

Are you sure you aren't a Republican? Perhaps a blue avatar would be more appropriate.

What does hating anime have to do with being a Republican?

It used to be VERY common for Republican men to raise their sons to not grow out their hair, be a hippy, smoke weed, or be "different". Sometimes fathers would beat their sons if they disobeyed. Whatvwas encouraged was to bang hot chicks, play sports and be popular. Being a nerd, a beatnik or a unique individual was strongly discouraged by Republicans.

Okay... but what does hating anime have to do with being a Republican?

[T'Chenka]

anime fan / metalhead .”

Yep, definitely not right in the head.

Are you sure you aren't a Republican? Perhaps a blue avatar would be more appropriate.

What does hating anime have to do with being a Republican?

It used to be VERY common for Republican men to raise their sons to not grow out their hair, be a hippy, smoke weed, or be "different". Sometimes fathers would beat their sons if they disobeyed. Whatvwas encouraged was to bang hot chicks, play sports and be popular. Being a nerd, a beatnik or a unique individual was strongly discouraged by Republicans.

Okay... but what does hating anime have to do with being a Republican?

In my experience, and I'm assumimg in general? the clear majority of people who HATE anime are conservatives. I know many liberals who don't watch it or like it, but that's not the same as hating it. I guess the answer you want here is "it's a stereotype".

[John Dule]

anime fan / metalhead .”

Yep, definitely not right in the head.

Are you sure you aren't a Republican? Perhaps a blue avatar would be more appropriate.

What does hating anime have to do with being a Republican?

It used to be VERY common for Republican men to raise their sons to not grow out their hair, be a hippy, smoke weed, or be "different". Sometimes fathers would beat their sons if they disobeyed. Whatvwas encouraged was to bang hot chicks, play sports and be popular. Being a nerd, a beatnik or a unique individual was strongly discouraged by Republicans.

Okay... but what does hating anime have to do with being a Republican?

In my experience, and I'm assumimg in general? the clear majority of people who HATE anime are conservatives. I know many liberals who don't watch it or like it, but that's not the same as hating it. I guess the answer you want here is "it's a stereotype".

I am a conservative person. However, unlike the vast majority of people, I recognize that it's not within my rights to enforce my personal preferences on others, so I'm a libertarian when it comes to the political sphere. That doesn't mean I wouldn't beat my son with jumper cables if I caught him smoking marijuana though.

[Helsinkian]

Also, are there any other sources other than Heavy purporting his leftie twitter posts?

Nope. Not a single source. Just the right-wing fake news site Heavy.com.

Is CNN right-wing fake news too?

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1158566029964042240

And Snopes as well? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dayton-shooter-warren/

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Is CNN right-wing fake news too?

If they repeat Heavy.com's unverified sources, yes.

[Helsinkian]

Is CNN right-wing fake news too?

If they repeat Heavy.com's unverified sources, yes.

Who do you need to verify it if you don't trust CNN and Snopes?

Edit: the shooter's ex-girlfriend wrote this:

We ended up getting into a political debate with a Republican. Connor really knew his stuff and he was impressed when I knew mine. Looking back on that debate was one of my favorite memories.

https://medium.com/@_adeliajohnson_/my-ex-boyfriend-was-the-dayton-shooter-2b7f2d792b68

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Edit: the shooter's ex-girlfriend wrote this:

People who knew him in high school said he had extreme right-wing views.

[Helsinkian]

Edit: the shooter's ex-girlfriend wrote this:

People who knew him in high school said he had extreme right-wing views.

You mean like this classmate?

Dayton mass shooter Connor Betts was a supporter of gun control — with political views that “definitely leaned to the left,” a former classmate says.

“He was actually anti-2nd Amendment,” Bellbrook High School alum Will El-Fakir claimed in an interview with the Dayton Daily News. “Definitely not a right-leaning person.”

... El-Fakir told the Daily News that he knew Betts for years, and he always leaned left.

“He never once spit out a conservative opinion on gun control,” El-Fakir said.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/05/former-classmate-says-dayton-shooter-was-pro-gun-control-definitely-leaned-to-the-left/

But let me guess, you're gonna say that this El-Fakir is a Trump supporter who is just saying this to malign the left, huh?

[Slander and/or Libel]

This dude's political views aren't germane to anything. He killed some people that he knew, among others, and he was apparently a huge misogynist. He didn't tie his choice of target to anything to do with politics, or anything that's been said by any Democratic politicians. The El Paso shooter, on the other hand...

[Bandit3 the Worker]

What's more, CNN referred to Antifa as a "violent protest group" - even though Antifa has never initiated any violence.

CNN is about as credible as Fox News.

[Strudelcutie4427]

This dude's political views aren't germane to anything. He killed some people that he knew, among others, and he was apparently a huge misogynist. He didn't tie his choice of target to anything to do with politics, or anything that's been said by any Democratic politicians. The El Paso shooter, on the other hand...

Was an environmentalist who blamed immigrants for ecological damage

[Slander and/or Libel]

This dude's political views aren't germane to anything. He killed some people that he knew, among others, and he was apparently a huge misogynist. He didn't tie his choice of target to anything to do with politics, or anything that's been said by any Democratic politicians. The El Paso shooter, on the other hand...

Was an environmentalist who blamed immigrants for ecological damage

If you were capable of being honest with yourself, you'd see that this description AT LEAST cherry picks and lacks context. But I doubt you are so capable.

[Goldwater]

anime fan / metalhead .”

Yep, definitely not right in the head.

Are you sure you aren't a Republican? Perhaps a blue avatar would be more appropriate.

What does hating anime have to do with being a Republican?

It used to be VERY common for Republican men to raise their sons to not grow out their hair, be a hippy, smoke weed, or be "different". Sometimes fathers would beat their sons if they disobeyed. Whatvwas encouraged was to bang hot chicks, play sports and be popular. Being a nerd, a beatnik or a unique individual was strongly discouraged by Republicans.

Okay... but what does hating anime have to do with being a Republican?

In my experience, and I'm assumimg in general? the clear majority of people who HATE anime are conservatives. I know many liberals who don't watch it or like it, but that's not the same as hating it. I guess the answer you want here is "it's a stereotype".

I am a conservative person. However, unlike the vast majority of people, I recognize that it's not within my rights to enforce my personal preferences on others, so I'm a libertarian when it comes to the political sphere. That doesn't mean I wouldn't beat my son with jumper cables if I caught him smoking marijuana though.

How is that not forcing your preferences on others?

[Sorenroy]

I'd rather not put the name of the shooter in the headline, here on the Atlas or really anywhere. It doesn't add anything to the story to put out the specific name of the shooter and should thus be left out.

[Strudelcutie4427]

This dude's political views aren't germane to anything. He killed some people that he knew, among others, and he was apparently a huge misogynist. He didn't tie his choice of target to anything to do with politics, or anything that's been said by any Democratic politicians. The El Paso shooter, on the other hand...

Was an environmentalist who blamed immigrants for ecological damage

If you were capable of being honest with yourself, you'd see that this description AT LEAST cherry picks and lacks context. But I doubt you are so capable.

Yeah I cherry picked that info from noted right wing troll news site the huffington post

[Slander and/or Libel]

This dude's political views aren't germane to anything. He killed some people that he knew, among others, and he was apparently a huge misogynist. He didn't tie his choice of target to anything to do with politics, or anything that's been said by any Democratic politicians. The El Paso shooter, on the other hand...

Was an environmentalist who blamed immigrants for ecological damage

If you were capable of being honest with yourself, you'd see that this description AT LEAST cherry picks and lacks context. But I doubt you are so capable.

Yeah I cherry picked that info from noted right wing troll news site the huffington post

He was a Trump fan who trumpeted all of his invasion talk and wanted the wall to be built.

[John Dule]

Guys, can we stop trying to toss mass murderers into one another's ideological camps like a hot potato? Seriously, even if the guy was a leftist, what does that mean? I'm sure that we can come up with better refutations of left-wing policy than "Some guy who killed some people believed in Medicare-for-all" or whatever. I get that it's frustrating when red avatars try to act like all mass shooters are right-wing nutjobs, but those far-right shootings don't discredit the right any more than this shooting discredits the left.

How is that not forcing your preferences on others?

It was a little joke meant to make fun of his comment.

[Slander and/or Libel]

Guys, can we stop trying to toss mass murderers into one another's ideological camps like a hot potato? Seriously, even if the guy was a leftist, what does that mean? I'm sure that we can come up with better refutations of left-wing policy than "Some guy who killed some people believed in Medicare-for-all" or whatever. I get that it's frustrating when red avatars try to act like all mass shooters are right-wing nutjobs, but those far-right shootings don't discredit the right any more than this shooting discredits the left.

How is that not forcing your preferences on others?

It was a little joke meant to make fun of his comment.

Except it's categorically different when a shooting is specifically motivated by right-wing nativist hate. I'm not saying the shooting discredits the right per se, but it's tied to it more closely than if somebody supports free college and then shoots up a random bar.

[HillGoose]

ya and the El Paso dude was an anti-immigrant radical luddite conservative.

They are both losers whose lives were meaningless and worthless and they should be forgotten. Who cares what their politics were.

[John Dule]

Guys, can we stop trying to toss mass murderers into one another's ideological camps like a hot potato? Seriously, even if the guy was a leftist, what does that mean? I'm sure that we can come up with better refutations of left-wing policy than "Some guy who killed some people believed in Medicare-for-all" or whatever. I get that it's frustrating when red avatars try to act like all mass shooters are right-wing nutjobs, but those far-right shootings don't discredit the right any more than this shooting discredits the left.

How is that not forcing your preferences on others?

It was a little joke meant to make fun of his comment.

Except it's categorically different when a shooting is specifically motivated by right-wing nativist hate. I'm not saying the shooting discredits the right per se, but it's tied to it more closely than if somebody supports free college and then shoots up a random bar.

This right here is the argument people should be making. Instead you have some users who are trying to dismiss reports of the shooter's left-wing ideology as "fake news," which is a losing battle at this point.

[Progressive Pessimist]

What's more, CNN referred to Antifa as a "violent protest group" - even though Antifa has never initiated any violence.

CNN is about as credible as Fox News.

Well, Antifa has vandalized their share of property and assaulted some people, but that still isn't equivalent to the body count that alt-right or far-right groups have amassed. It's very disingenuous and misleading to obfuscate this fact.

[Fuzzy Bear]

This dude's political views aren't germane to anything. He killed some people that he knew, among others, and he was apparently a huge misogynist. He didn't tie his choice of target to anything to do with politics, or anything that's been said by any Democratic politicians. The El Paso shooter, on the other hand...

The El Paso shooter, on the other hand, builds a narrative ever so dear to you.  

One event fits your desired storyline; the other doesn't.  

I'll be kind and merely observe that you're not helping.

[Slander and/or Libel]

This dude's political views aren't germane to anything. He killed some people that he knew, among others, and he was apparently a huge misogynist. He didn't tie his choice of target to anything to do with politics, or anything that's been said by any Democratic politicians. The El Paso shooter, on the other hand...

The El Paso shooter, on the other hand, builds a narrative ever so dear to you. 

One event fits your desired storyline; the other doesn't. 

I'll be kind and merely observe that you're not helping.

The El Paso shooter drafted a screed that may as well have been written by the White House press office. If you won’t admit that, it’s only because you’re deeply invested in continuing to fool yourself.

I don’t *want* this to be true. It just is. And if the shooter in Dayton had targeted Republicans or white people or men or whatever because Democrats had used violent rhetoric against them, then sure, I’d take a harder look at that. But he didn’t. Again, that’s not me engaging in wishful thinking. It’s just true.