Dayton shooter Connor Betts was an anti-Trump, radical leftist

[T'Chenka]

The right-wing snowflakes really needed this, since "winning on the scoreboard" is the most important thing to them.

On the other side, the left condemns all gun violence equally, regardless of the politics or apolitics of the shooter, and wants to solve it all, including both the <1% of gun deaths from mass shootings and the >99% not from mass shootings.

Every single mass shooting is a political victory for you, since you get to use it as moral justification to take everyone's rights away.

When has it ever been a political victory for us? 20 dead kindergartners couldn't even convince Republicans to pass a background checks bill than 90% of Americans supported, and what happened in the next midterm elections? Oh, Republicans picked up 9 seats anyway.

We advocate for sensible gun reforms because it's the right thing to do, not because it's going to help us win politically.

There is no such thing as “sensible gun control,” all gun control is fundamentally tyrannical and abominable, undermining the inalienable human right to self-defense.

LOLOLOLOL

So when they invent more and more powerful weapons in the future - equivelant to mini-nuke guns basically - that can wipe out a square mile, it will be abominable to outlaw them because people want to "defend their communities and themselves" from "immigrant infestations"?

How do you type this s__t with a straight face? Maybe you don't...

[S019]

This is so not the point dude. Lives were lost, and regardless of political affiliation, I think the real message of these horrible.mass shootings is that we need gun control.

This, also we don't just need basic gun control but a ban on both assault weapons and semiautomatic rifles

[CookieDamage]

He was also a violent misogynist who wrote kill and rape lists, and was a part of a metal band that made music about murdering women.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was a twitter troll trying to make fun of antifa, bernie, warren, "Kamala is a cop" type people. His twitter talks about gun control but then he ordered an assault weapon from like a thousand miles away. That doesn't add up. He also killed six black people, and while that could have been coincidental, it could also have been premeditated.

Also, are there any other sources other than Heavy purporting his leftie twitter posts?

[Grassroots]

He was also a violent misogynist who wrote kill and rape lists, and was a part of a metal band that made music about murdering women.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was a twitter troll trying to make fun of antifa, bernie, warren, "Kamala is a cop" type people. His twitter talks about gun control but then he ordered an assault weapon from like a thousand miles away. That doesn't add up. He also killed six black people, and while that could have been coincidental, it could also have been premeditated.

Also, are there any other sources other than Heavy purporting his leftie twitter posts?

Stop deflecting, and just deal with reality.

[Grassroots]

Just as it is stupid how red avatars are blaming Trump for the El Paso shooting, it would be stupid to blame Elizabeth Warren for this shooting

How about, I don't know, restricting access to guns?

How about no.

Typical. Refuse to address the actual problem.

We can address the problem without taking peoples rights away.

How do we address the problem?

By implementing the same tactics that we use against islamic Terrorists. Raids, and no mercy for terrorist cells and etc. Also, maybe we could work as a country to depolarize our political society, because polarization is what is causing extremists to become more mainstream and acceptable.

[CookieDamage]

He was also a violent misogynist who wrote kill and rape lists, and was a part of a metal band that made music about murdering women.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was a twitter troll trying to make fun of antifa, bernie, warren, "Kamala is a cop" type people. His twitter talks about gun control but then he ordered an assault weapon from like a thousand miles away. That doesn't add up. He also killed six black people, and while that could have been coincidental, it could also have been premeditated.

Also, are there any other sources other than Heavy purporting his leftie twitter posts?

Stop deflecting, and just deal with reality.

The reality that white men, especially fringe rightwing white supremacists, have killed numerous people and your president scumbag emboldens them?

[Inmate Trump]

And the El Paso shooter was very pro-Trump and anti-immigrant.

I guess your dude would say there are "very fine people on both sides," though.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Also, are there any other sources other than Heavy purporting his leftie twitter posts?

Nope. Not a single source. Just the right-wing fake news site Heavy.com.

[CookieDamage]

Also, are there any other sources other than Heavy purporting his leftie twitter posts?

Nope. Not a single source. Just the right-wing fake news site Heavy.com.

Where's the proof that heavy.com is a rightwing fake news site?

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Also, are there any other sources other than Heavy purporting his leftie twitter posts?

Nope. Not a single source. Just the right-wing fake news site Heavy.com.

Where's the proof that heavy.com is a rightwing fake news site?

I thought everyone knew it was.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Motives are an important aspect of understanding why these mass shootings occur, but the how is more important. And that "how" is guns. Regardless of the motives that someone has to want to murder people in cold blood, easy access to guns makes it infinitely easier for someone to act upon that motive, political or not. That's the common denominator between Dayton, El Paso, Gilroy, and the nearly infinite number of past examples.

Now with this example, I'll echo what everyone else is saying, that this particular act of violence wasn't motivated out of politics like with El paso. This cretin just happened to have had political views, as everyone does, but that doesn't mean it should obfuscate the real issue at hand. 

In spite of that, I almost wish it was politically motivated because then maybe it would finally be what it takes to get Republicans to address gun issues. I could see their hatred for the left taking priority over their love for guns, because everything with the right usually involves spite taking priority over something affirmative. Actually, I mean that entirely facetiously, because we already had an incident where a leftist attempted to assassinate Republican representatives and managed to injure Steve Scalise. Yet, as we saw, even when it's their own lives, Republicans will not budge on addressing gun violence in a meaningful way. So it's hopeless.

Don't kid yourself though, I'm sure Fox News and the entire right wing machine will be doing what Grassr00ts is and relating this massacre to political views anyway, even as it's a stretch. They'll claim that Elizabeth Warren is somehow to blame for this along with video games. Elizabeth Warren at least has the fortitude to condemn someone who supports her, I have yet to see Trump do that or even address that elephant int he room anytime one of his supporters attempted or were successful at engaging in  bloodshed.

[CookieDamage]

Motives are an important aspect of understanding why these mass shootings occur, but the how is more important. And that "how" is guns. Regardless of the motives that someone has to want to murder people in cold blood, easy access to guns makes it infinitely easier for someone to act upon that motive, political or not. That's the common denominator between Dayton, El Paso, Gilroy, and the nearly infinite number of past examples.

Now with this example, I'll echo what everyone else is saying, that this particular act of violence wasn't motivated out of politics like with El paso. This cretin just happened to have had political views, as everyone does, but that doesn't mean it should obfuscate the real issue at hand. 

In spite of that, I almost wish it was politically motivated because then maybe it would finally be what it takes to get Republicans to address gun issues. I could see their hatred for the left taking priority over their love for guns, because everything with the right usually involves spite taking priority over something affirmative. Actually, I mean that entirely facetiously, because we already had an incident where a leftist attempted to assassinate Republican representatives and managed to injure Steve Scalise. Yet, as we saw, even when it's their own lives, Republicans will not budge on addressing gun violence in a meaningful way. So it's hopeless.

Don't kid yourself though, I'm sure Fox News and the entire right wing machine will be doing what Grassr00ts is and relating this massacre to political views anyway, even as it's a stretch. They'll claim that Elizabeth Warren is somehow to blame for this along with video games. Elizabeth Warren at least has the fortitude to condemn someone who supports her, I have yet to see Trump do that or even address that elephant int he room anytime one of his supporters attempted or were successful at engaging in  bloodshed.

100%. This guy clearly had his own political views, but he was at heart a violent, murderous, and clearly hateful person.

[John Dule]

anime fan / metalhead .”

Yep, definitely not right in the head.

[Türkisblau]

Everyone, both right and left, have become increasingly mentally unstable -- only solution is ecofascism and we all get our own Kaczynski shacks in which we live out the rest of the days we (and our planet) have.

[T'Chenka]

anime fan / metalhead .”

Yep, definitely not right in the head.

Are you sure you aren't a Republican? Perhaps a blue avatar would be more appropriate.

[Arson Plus]

anime fan / metalhead .”

Yep, definitely not right in the head.

Are you sure you aren't a Republican? Perhaps a blue avatar would be more appropriate.

He supported Sanders in 2016.

[Hammy]

anime fan / metalhead .”

Yep, definitely not right in the head.

Are you sure you aren't a Republican? Perhaps a blue avatar would be more appropriate.

He supported Sanders in 2016.

Populism is cancer and this is further proof.

[John Dule]

anime fan / metalhead .”

Yep, definitely not right in the head.

Are you sure you aren't a Republican? Perhaps a blue avatar would be more appropriate.

What does hating anime have to do with being a Republican?

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Everyone, both right and left, have become increasingly mentally unstable -- only solution is ecofascism and we all get our own Kaczynski shacks in which we live out the rest of the days we (and our planet) have.

Unironically endorsed.

[Grassroots]

He was also a violent misogynist who wrote kill and rape lists, and was a part of a metal band that made music about murdering women.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was a twitter troll trying to make fun of antifa, bernie, warren, "Kamala is a cop" type people. His twitter talks about gun control but then he ordered an assault weapon from like a thousand miles away. That doesn't add up. He also killed six black people, and while that could have been coincidental, it could also have been premeditated.

Also, are there any other sources other than Heavy purporting his leftie twitter posts?

Stop deflecting, and just deal with reality.

The reality that white men, especially fringe rightwing white supremacists, have killed numerous people and your president scumbag emboldens them?

Two of them. And this one was not one of them.

[Grassroots]

Also, are there any other sources other than Heavy purporting his leftie twitter posts?

Nope. Not a single source. Just the right-wing fake news site Heavy.com.

Where's the proof that heavy.com is a rightwing fake news site?

There isn't any, because it isn't.

[T'Chenka]

anime fan / metalhead .”

Yep, definitely not right in the head.

Are you sure you aren't a Republican? Perhaps a blue avatar would be more appropriate.

What does hating anime have to do with being a Republican?

It used to be VERY common for Republican men to raise their sons to not grow out their hair, be a hippy, smoke weed, or be "different". Sometimes fathers would beat their sons if they disobeyed. Whatvwas encouraged was to bang hot chicks, play sports and be popular. Being a nerd, a beatnik or a unique individual was strongly discouraged by Republicans.

[Coastal Elitist]

anime fan / metalhead .”

Yep, definitely not right in the head.

Are you sure you aren't a Republican? Perhaps a blue avatar would be more appropriate.

What does hating anime have to do with being a Republican?

It used to be VERY common for Republican men to raise their sons to not grow out their hair, be a hippy, smoke weed, or be "different". Sometimes fathers would beat their sons if they disobeyed. Whatvwas encouraged was to bang hot chicks, play sports and be popular. Being a nerd, a beatnik or a unique individual was strongly discouraged by Republicans.

citation needed

[OSR stands with Israel]

anime fan / metalhead .”

Yep, definitely not right in the head.

Are you sure you aren't a Republican? Perhaps a blue avatar would be more appropriate.

What does hating anime have to do with being a Republican?

It used to be VERY common for Republican men to raise their sons to not grow out their hair, be a hippy, smoke weed, or be "different". Sometimes fathers would beat their sons if they disobeyed. Whatvwas encouraged was to bang hot chicks, play sports and be popular. Being a nerd, a beatnik or a unique individual was strongly discouraged by Republicans.

In the 80s yuppies were Republicans

[😥]

What a difference whose supporter was the killer. The main thing is that many people were killed. We need to radically change gun control legislation.