UK General Discussion: 2019. Blackadder goes Brexit.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Non-Tory/DUP Noes:

Kate Hoey (Lab)

Kate Hoey is the absolute worst.

[Oryxslayer]

Apparently Leadsom says the whip won't be withdrawn now, but perhaps it will be if they vote against the government again tomorrow.

Apparently other government sources say that the whip is withdrawn, but confirm it will be returned in the event of positive  votes tomorrow.

[Pericles]

Non-Tory/DUP Noes:

Kate Hoey (Lab)

Kate Hoey is the absolute worst.

The weird thing is her constituency went 78% to Remain.

[Omega21]

Apparently Leadsom says the whip won't be withdrawn now, but perhaps it will be if they vote against the government again tomorrow.

Government sources confirm that the whip is withdrawn, but will be returned in the event of positive  votes tomorrow.

In other words, they got booted out of the party?

You Brits always have some fancy-sounding words for everything

[Pericles]

Now reports are the 21 Tory rebels lose the whip in all circumstances.

[Silent Hunter]

Apparently Leadsom says the whip won't be withdrawn now, but perhaps it will be if they vote against the government again tomorrow.

Government sources confirm that the whip is withdrawn, but will be returned in the event of positive  votes tomorrow.

In other words, they got booted out of the party?

You Brits always have some fancy-sounding words for everything

You use the time 'whip' in Congress too.

[Omega21]

Apparently Leadsom says the whip won't be withdrawn now, but perhaps it will be if they vote against the government again tomorrow.

Government sources confirm that the whip is withdrawn, but will be returned in the event of positive  votes tomorrow.

In other words, they got booted out of the party?

You Brits always have some fancy-sounding words for everything

You use the time 'whip' in Congress too.

I live in Austria, so I'm not that familiar with Anglo-Saxon law/processes.

So, does "taking away the whip" basically just means kicking someone out?

I know "whipping" is used to discipline votes, but I'm clueless about the taking away thing.

[Lumine]

Thus Boris becomes head of the minority government with the least amount of seats since... Ramsay MacDonald, I think.

Only 289 Conservative MP's left now, plus 10 of the DUP and the suspended Conservative (Elphicke).

Or to put it another way - even though many of these MP's will vote with the government on plenty of stuff - Boris now has a majority of... -43.

[Oryxslayer]

The 21 are no longer official Tories.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1169004516840235014

Normal, normal, behaviour, very normal - extremely normal. The very definition of the norm.

[J. J.]

I take it that, if necessary, Johnson can arrange a vote of no confidence and get a dissolution? 

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I take it that, if necessary, Johnson can arrange a vote of no confidence and get a dissolution? 

Boris Johnson: "My crowning achievement was that I was able to force through a voice of no confidence in myself. Please vote for me."

[NyIndy]

The 21 are no longer official Tories.

Could they join the Lib Dems?

[J. J.]

The 21 are no longer official Tories.

Could they join the Lib Dems?

Or sit as "independent Tories."

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1169004516840235014

Normal, normal, behaviour, very normal - extremely normal. The very definition of the norm.

"Why won't Jeremy Corbyn debate run against me?"

[J. J.]

I take it that, if necessary, Johnson can arrange a vote of no confidence and get a dissolution? 

Boris Johnson: "My crowning achievement was that I was able to force through a voice of no confidence in myself. Please vote for me."

He cannot dissolve Parliament anymore, but it would have the same effect.

"A vote for Boris is a vote for Brexit," would be the main slogan. 

[Omega21]

Maybe the EU will finally come to its senses and refuse any further extension, meaning a default no-deal Brexit unless MPs come to senses and vote for old May's deal. This is wasting everyone's time and it can be used far more productively.

[Pandaguineapig]

Maybe the EU will finally come to its senses and refuse any further extension, meaning a default no-deal Brexit unless MPs come to senses and vote for old May's deal. This is wasting everyone's time and it can be used far more productively.

I think France is the only country that has given an indication that they might veto an extension

[The Free North]

“It is pleasant, when the sea is high and the winds are dashing the waves about, to watch from the shores the struggles of another.”


-Livy

[Omega21]

Maybe the EU will finally come to its senses and refuse any further extension, meaning a default no-deal Brexit unless MPs come to senses and vote for old May's deal. This is wasting everyone's time and it can be used far more productively.

I think France is the only country that has given an indication that they might veto an extension

It definitely should.

I'm no happy Eu flag-waving hippie, but I still think it's more positive on a continent ridden by wars since, well basically, the beginning of history.

The British disagree and voted to leave, and everyone was more than patient. All the politicians over there expect everyone to just wait while they continue milking out as much political credit out of the issue as possible, and that's definitely not what they should be doing.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

The 21 includes the father of the House, kicked out after 49 years, some who were in cabinet just a couple of months ago like Philip Hammond, and Churchill's grandson, Nicholas Soames.

[Pericles]

The former prime minister, Theresa May, leaves the Houses of the Parliament after Boris Johnson’s defeat Photograph: Henry Nicholls/Reuters
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/03/commons-showdown-looms-in-battle-over-no-deal-brexit-live

While May didn't rebel, she possibly sympathizes with the rebellion or at least is happy Boris is suffering parliamentary defeats instead of her.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Anarchy in the UK!

[CumbrianLefty]

There are now more Independent MPs (of various descriptors) than at any time since the modern party system emerged in parliament over two centuries ago. There are 40 such MPs even if you exclude Elphicke, which means they overtake the SNP as the third biggest group in the HoC.

[LabourJersey]

There are now more Independent MPs (of various descriptors) than at any time since the modern party system emerged in parliament over two centuries ago. There are 40 such MPs even if you exclude Elphicke, which means they overtake the SNP as the third biggest group in the HoC.

The British are currently suffering the curse of living in interesting times