Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v2

[Progressive Pessimist]

Expect more of this from the GOP, especially Trump if Biden is the nominee:

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1164874091679178752

Yep, people forget how effective the health conspiracies were against Hillary. I think it mattered even more than her emails.

It worked on my dad. He said he would no longer vote for Clinton because he doesn't think we should have a President "with an expiration date."

We all have "expiration dates."

That's what I told my dad, and also emphasized that we have Vice Presidents for that reason. But he was also listening to Anthony Cumia's podcast a lot back then, so that twat probably influenced him a bit too.

[Xing]

Expect more of this from the GOP, especially Trump if Biden is the nominee:

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1164874091679178752

Yep, people forget how effective the health conspiracies were against Hillary. I think it mattered even more than her emails.

It worked on my dad. He said he would no longer vote for Clinton because he doesn't think we should have a President "with an expiration date."

We all have "expiration dates."

Are you saying that...

Death is inevitable

[ericpolitico]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/02/us/politics/joe-biden-2020.html?fbclid=IwAR3TVE4Rofv5kfS0_yo3_vhsBkwFli-5uwNvNDAdKwoaydXu9uYvXh2stec

So why is he running? And is the singular nature of the opponent all it will take to convince voters that Joe Biden really wants to be doing this right now — at this vicious moment in our politics and at this stage of his life?

Remarkably, after all this time, Mr. Biden stumbles to come up with a clear answer.

His use of Mr. Trump as a campaign mission statement might be a good enough reason, at least to win Mr. Biden the Democratic nomination in a large field where two other leading candidates — Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders — appear to be splitting the progressive vote which would be less inclined to support him to begin with.

[GeneralMacArthur]

What kind of stupid question is that?  What answer could a candidate possibly give and not have it spun negative?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Of courss, he wants this, Himself and Jill Biden both lived in Veep mansion for 8 yrs; however, the death of Beau Biden, has made the grieving process difficult to run for prez at times. As many know, a death of an immediate famiy member does take some of your will left for running for office. Thats why he decided not to do it., in 2018

With Mcconnell's obstruction, its making it easier for Dems to get trifecta back, since 2008, that Biden was a part of

[BundouYMB]

Watching the corrupt media's attempts to smear Honest Joe fail miserably is beautiful.

[ElectionsGuy]

Clearly no, and his repeated justification for running being to get Trump out lacks anything to do with his vision/policies/leadership/whatever other words you want to put here.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Twelve years ago Obama won the White House in a landslide running on hope (for a better future) and change (not W).

Today Biden runs on hope (to go back to a time before the country went mad) and change (not Trump).

[Gracile]

Twelve years ago Obama won the White House in a landslide running on hope (for a better future) and change (not W).

Today Biden runs on hope (to go back to a time before the country went mad) and change (not Trump).

This is dishonest. The hope and change that Obama was running on had more to do with ending an unpopular war and providing economic relief to vulnerable Americans at a time of economic turmoil. Biden's entire ethos is built around returning to a sense of "civility" or "sanity" (whatever that means), while giving short shrift to ways he can improve the lives of ordinary people. That includes people whose lives have suffered while Obama was in office who would hardly be returning to a markedly different state from the pre-Trump era. There is no evidence that Biden's message will be compelling enough to win him a landslide, but at the very least his message is not comparable to the one that gave Obama his decisive victory.

[Mr. Smith]

Twelve years ago Obama won the White House in a landslide running on hope (for a better future) and change (not W).

Today Biden runs on hope (to go back to a time before the country went mad) and change (not Trump).

And given that Obama gave us Trump in the first place and the worst hemorraghing down-ballot right before [and the lamest re-election since 1916], perhaps such comparisons and ideas are not ones to aspire to in the first place.

[Bidenworth2020]

Twelve years ago Obama won the White House in a landslide running on hope (for a better future) and change (not W).

Today Biden runs on hope (to go back to a time before the country went mad) and change (not Trump).

And given that Obama gave us Trump in the first place and the worst hemorraghing down-ballot right before [and the lamest re-election since 1916], perhaps such comparisons and ideas are not ones to aspire to in the first place.

Clinton gave us Trump. Obama would have beaten him

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Actually, Obama's poor performance in the 2010 & 2014 midterms and gave us Speaker Boehner gave us Trump. If it not had been the tea party rise, there wouldnt be no 2010 or no 2016

[President Johnson]

Actually, Obama's poor performance in the 2010 & 2014 midterms and gave us Speaker Boehner gave us Trump. If it not had been the tea party rise, there wouldnt be no 2010 or no 2016

I think Joe Biden will be less hated by the opposition. In part (sadly) because he's an old white guy and not far-left.

[The Mikado]

Expect more of this from the GOP, especially Trump if Biden is the nominee:

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1164874091679178752

Yep, people forget how effective the health conspiracies were against Hillary. I think it mattered even more than her emails.

It worked on my dad. He said he would no longer vote for Clinton because he doesn't think we should have a President "with an expiration date."

We all have "expiration dates."

Are you saying that...

Death is inevitable

As much as I love that post, I feel it's getting a bit past its sell by date.

[Mr. Smith]

Twelve years ago Obama won the White House in a landslide running on hope (for a better future) and change (not W).

Today Biden runs on hope (to go back to a time before the country went mad) and change (not Trump).

And given that Obama gave us Trump in the first place and the worst hemorraghing down-ballot right before [and the lamest re-election since 1916], perhaps such comparisons and ideas are not ones to aspire to in the first place.

Clinton gave us Trump. Obama would have beaten him

Or would he? His approvals were good, but they weren't exactly in the untouchable 60's...just the 50's...and this was after being lame-ducked, and therefore no longer prime target to the Conservative Media nor the Concerned Nags Network. Whose to say he wouldn't have stayed in the same 40's he was in during 2014 with the appropriate amount of gaming from the right?

Not to mention, Hillary was quite clearly the face of what people didn't like about Obama...but weren't going to put to him because he was too cool [the same thing happened to Al Gore in 2000, probably would've happened in '88 if someone besides Dukakis took the nomination, and is going to happen to Pence if he attempts '24] to be held responsible.

[Bidenworth2020]

Twelve years ago Obama won the White House in a landslide running on hope (for a better future) and change (not W).

Today Biden runs on hope (to go back to a time before the country went mad) and change (not Trump).

And given that Obama gave us Trump in the first place and the worst hemorraghing down-ballot right before [and the lamest re-election since 1916], perhaps such comparisons and ideas are not ones to aspire to in the first place.

Clinton gave us Trump. Obama would have beaten him

Or would he? His approvals were good, but they weren't exactly in the untouchable 60's...just the 50's...and this was after being lame-ducked, and therefore no longer prime target to the Conservative Media nor the Concerned Nags Network. Whose to say he wouldn't have stayed in the same 40's he was in during 2014 with the appropriate amount of gaming from the right?

Not to mention, Hillary was quite clearly the face of what people didn't like about Obama...but weren't going to put to him because he was too cool [the same thing happened to Al Gore in 2000, probably would've happened in '88 if someone besides Dukakis took the nomination, and is going to happen to Pence if he attempts '24] to be held responsible.

Pre-election polls had him at +8 nationally. Trump could only win by the skin of his teeth in the places where Obama was strongest (and exit polls showed him net positive in the big three even as Trump won them) against Hillary Clinton, who did not even campaign in those states and had a -14 approval. Not only was Obama more politically savvy than Hillary, but he was also just far more likable (possibly sexism but true nonetheless) and did not have any constant weights like Hillary had with her email server. He would have won easily.

[Donerail]

Are you saying that...

Death is inevitable

As much as I love that post, I feel it's getting a bit past its sell by date.

Unfortunately, so is Joe Biden

[Progressive Pessimist]

Yes, Biden wants to be doing this. Anybody who wants to run for the worst job in the world wants to have that horrible job, especially when they see themselves polling well (overly early polls or not). People thought this of Trump too, and I don't think it turned out to be the reality. Ego is one hell of an influence on people's actions.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Are you saying that...

Death is inevitable

As much as I love that post, I feel it's getting a bit past its sell by date.

Unfortunately, so is Joe Biden

At least he can keep promises that he can keep, socialized medicine for all is getting Warren amd Sanders in the Rassy 12%

[Bojack Horseman]

Actually, Obama's poor performance in the 2010 & 2014 midterms and gave us Speaker Boehner gave us Trump. If it not had been the tea party rise, there wouldnt be no 2010 or no 2016

No it really was Obama. Having a black president scared the crap out of white people about how wErE lOsInG tHe cOuNtRy tO tHoSe bLaCkS so they elected the most racist president since Andrew Jackson. Jackson was elected to exterminate the Indians, Trump was elected to deport the Mexicans, arrest the Muslims, and put Blacks back in their place. If we hadn’t elected Obama, none of this would have happened because white people would have still felt safe and secure and snug as a bug in a rug because one of their own was still in charge.

Hillary would have beaten McCain, as would have just about any Democrat with a beating heart in 2008 because 2008 for the Republicans was what 1980 was for the Democrats.

[Bojack Horseman]

Actually, Obama's poor performance in the 2010 & 2014 midterms and gave us Speaker Boehner gave us Trump. If it not had been the tea party rise, there wouldnt be no 2010 or no 2016

No it really was Obama. Having a black president scared the crap out of white people about how wErE lOsInG tHe cOuNtRy tO tHoSe bLaCkS so they elected the most racist president since Andrew Jackson. Jackson was elected to exterminate the Indians, Trump was elected to deport the Mexicans, arrest the Muslims, and put Blacks back in their place. If we hadn’t elected Obama, none of this would have happened because white people would have still felt safe and secure and snug as a bug in a rug because one of their own was still in charge.

Hillary would have beaten McCain, as would have just about any Democrat with a beating heart in 2008 because 2008 for the Republicans was what 1980 was for the Democrats.

[S019]

Are you saying that...

Death is inevitable

As much as I love that post, I feel it's getting a bit past its sell by date.

Unfortunately, so is Joe Biden

This is yet another thinly veiled ageist attack. Joe Biden is fine, and his age should not be a disqualifying factor. I'm not sure why people are so outraged about older people running for office. Joe Biden is able to serve in the office of President, if elected, and that is all that should matter

[S019]

Of course, he wants to do this. While I'll concede that he had repeatedly declined to run earlier, there is a reason that he reversed on it, and it is likely because, he believes, rightfully so, that he has the right message to beat Trump. But, I also feel that he genuinely wants the job, he is making an active effort to reach out and appeal to people. If he did not want to be doing this, he wouldn't have run the energetic campaign that he has. So, put simply, no, he is not running, just for the sake of running. He actually wants to be President and has run quite an energetic campaign seeking to reach out to voters.

[Alben Barkley]

Twelve years ago Obama won the White House in a landslide running on hope (for a better future) and change (not W).

Today Biden runs on hope (to go back to a time before the country went mad) and change (not Trump).

And given that Obama gave us Trump in the first place and the worst hemorraghing down-ballot right before [and the lamest re-election since 1916], perhaps such comparisons and ideas are not ones to aspire to in the first place.

Obama's re-election was clearly more impressive than W 2004 at least -- he did significantly better in both the electoral and popular vote.

Also considering Obama was running at a time when polarization was already sky high and rising, and the economy wasn't close to recovered yet, that makes it even more impressive. Also considering Wilson was running in a deeply Republican age when Democrats were routinely wiped out outside the South, and only won in 1912 because of a fatal split in the GOP (still managing to barely win over 40% of the vote), I'd say his 1916 re-election wasn't half bad either.

I'll concede downballot Obama wasn't that strong, but it wasn't entirely his fault. It's like pulling teeth to get Democrats to show up to vote on off-years.

[Mr. Smith]

Twelve years ago Obama won the White House in a landslide running on hope (for a better future) and change (not W).

Today Biden runs on hope (to go back to a time before the country went mad) and change (not Trump).

And given that Obama gave us Trump in the first place and the worst hemorraghing down-ballot right before [and the lamest re-election since 1916], perhaps such comparisons and ideas are not ones to aspire to in the first place.

Clinton gave us Trump. Obama would have beaten him

Or would he? His approvals were good, but they weren't exactly in the untouchable 60's...just the 50's...and this was after being lame-ducked, and therefore no longer prime target to the Conservative Media nor the Concerned Nags Network. Whose to say he wouldn't have stayed in the same 40's he was in during 2014 with the appropriate amount of gaming from the right?

Not to mention, Hillary was quite clearly the face of what people didn't like about Obama...but weren't going to put to him because he was too cool [the same thing happened to Al Gore in 2000, probably would've happened in '88 if someone besides Dukakis took the nomination, and is going to happen to Pence if he attempts '24] to be held responsible.

Pre-election polls had him at +8 nationally. Trump could only win by the skin of his teeth in the places where Obama was strongest (and exit polls showed him net positive in the big three even as Trump won them) against Hillary Clinton, who did not even campaign in those states and had a -14 approval. Not only was Obama more politically savvy than Hillary, but he was also just far more likable (possibly sexism but true nonetheless) and did not have any constant weights like Hillary had with her email server. He would have won easily.

Pre-election polls which were made long after Obama was lame-ducked and stopped being the target of attacks that drove him down into the 40s [actually not that different from where Trump is now] back in the midterms of 2014.

Once again, we just don't know if Obama could withstand those attacks. The entire paradigm shifts if there's no 22nd.

But I digress.

The answer however is yes, Biden wants this, he just wants 2016 back though.