LC 2.4 A Bill to Exterminate Gun Violence (Referred to referendum)

[Mr. Reactionary]

Well, the Philly Plan again has demonstrated that it resulted in a Chamber that cannot write bills.

You guys swore an oath to uphold the constitution. Yet you pass a bill with a strict licensing system as well as "proof of a reasonable cause for having a Class C license", both of which are constitutionally suspect provisions. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You also have ignored a typo that changes the meaning of part of this bill.

Beyond constitutional and grammatical concerns, Section 4 of Division B is an undue infringement on the Liberty of our citizens.

I look forward to this bill being struck down in court.

 

Not only that, but they also just signed off on completely destroying their region's budget with this bill. Lincoln can't afford it, they passed it anyway.

Uh, no we did not.

I designed the few modifications precisely to make the licensing system free or as close to free as possible.

Testing materials will be available for free over the internet (so everyone can get a license for free, there is no barrier of access).

Tests are performed at any facility that performs driver's license tests. There are also no "practical" sections. Just memorize what the governemnt posts and write it down when the exam comes.

It might strain the system a bit, but this will barely require any funding. What would we need to pay for? The actual license cards? Papers for the tests?

Staff time. Although what are the licenses for? I thought this bill banned concealed carry and the millions of existing concealed carry permits.

Edit: wait, did the final bill actually claim you have to have a government licenses just to OWN a gun? And that your "permission" expires every 5 years? Jesus christ that is definitely unconstitutional. There would definitely be a ton of costs just for staff to rubber stamp the millions upon millions of applications every year. Especially since this includes Ohio, Pennsylvania,  New York, Michigan... bye bye hunting.

Im tempted to use the "R" word to describe this dog vomit of a bill.

Gun licensing isn't exactly a new idea, and was seriously entertained in the 60's and 70's. Also five years is a long time. Also, a reminder that, that portion of the bill was taken from a past bill. Also this bill is a lot better than some legislation that I have seen proposed from various lawmakers. Yet, that legislation never seems to get criticized. This bill is certainly not dog vomit, it passed with support from both parties as a compromise measure. However, there have been bills comparable to dog vomit, proposed in just the last two weeks. Also I hope the R-word is you are planning to use is "repulsive" or "repugnant," and not the one that can be insulting to people, especially when used in the context, that you plan to use it in

There's no "can" about it. I do want to insult the author of this diarrhea bill and Im glad you picked up on the word and its insulting nature without me having to get death points by spelling it. Frankly calling it retarded is an understatement.

I mean, the logical extension to this is citizens having to obtain a license every 5 years just to not be tortured or subjected to illegal searches. A license is revocable and is literally the opposite of a right. If I have a license and it lapses, you are claiming my rights expire. Thats tyrannical lunacy. If I dont file paperwork every 5 years, you just said the government can confiscate everything I own, hack off my limbs with an axe, and throw me in jail without trial if I talk about it with a journalist. A right is a right, and they cant be subject to a total ban or expiration like this. Anyone who voted aye should be ashamed and resign in disgrace.

I again hope the Governor recognizes the evil this dogschit represents and sends it to the people to kill. Even though our rights should never have to be subject to a vote in the first place.

[Pyro]

Abstain.

I greatly appreciate the efforts taken to suture the worst gaps in the original bill, however there are still elements contained within it that need further work and clarification. Sec 1 has been improved to the point that I do mostly support it, albeit uncomfortable with some terminology, but Sec 2 deserves its own seperate discussion as there is no shortage of controversy in that old gun control law. I believe that our best path forward on this issue is to tackle these objectives piece-by-piece as opposed to delivering an omnibus bill. I await the Governor's decision on this matter.

[Former President tack50]

With all Councillors having voted:

Aye: 4 (tack50, SNJC, Zaybay, Dipper Josh)
Abstain: 2 (Pyro, Griffin)
Nay: 2 (lfromnj, thr33)

So this bill passes

[Peanut]

First of all, I'm marveled at how you took the blight upon the thread that was the original bill and managed to make it something semi-palatable.

I have stated multiple times that I am a supporter of sensible gun control, even if I have not made it an important part of my usual policymaking. However, even if there are redeemable aspects to this bill, the parts that are concerning, not debated enough, or of dubious constitutionality, far outweigh the positive aspects. As such, I think there is not any reasonable choice, after long and hard consideration, but to veto. The referendum will be held this weekend, as pursuant to the Constitution, and I will vote against this bill in its current form.

A bill to Exterminate Gun Violence

SECTION I: New regulations
1. The sale of any automatic firearms  is hereby prohibited in the Region of Lincoln.

1. The practice of concealed carry is hereby banned in all states and territories under the jurisdiction of Lincoln

2. Background checks shall be conducted by the reinstated Bureau of Firearm Safety and Licensing (BFSL), as established by federal regulations on gun related background checks.

3. All residents of Lincoln convicted of a violent crime shall be banned from purchasing a gun or firearm for 15 years after the end of their sentence. Violent crimes include: rape, murder, homicide, robbery, agression, aggravated assault, car theft, domestic violence, kidnapping, terrorism, terrorist threats, burglary and belonging to a drug cartel, gang or another violent illegal organization.

4. The Lincoln Gun Control Repeal Act of 2018 is hereby repealed



SECTION II: Reinstating the Lincoln Gun Control Act of 2018

1. The Lincoln Gun Control Act of 2018 is hereby reinstated with the following amendments

Lincoln Gun Control Act of 2018

Section 1: Gun Licensing

i. A license shall be required to purchase and carry a firearm in the region of Lincoln.
ii. This license shall be required to be renewed every five years.
iii. There shall be three categories of gun licenses: Class A for handguns, Class B for rifles and shotguns, and Class C for assault rifles or other semi-automatic weapons.
iv. To obtain a Class A license, a citizen must not have committed a violent crime, must have proof of passing a handgun training and safety exam, and must be at least 18 years of age.
v. To obtain a Class B license, a citizen must meet Class A requirements as well as have not committed a felony, except for those only regarding finance, have proof of passing a shotgun/rifle training and safety exam, and pass a mental health test issued by a psychologist.
vi. To obtain a Class C license, a citizen must meet Class B requirements as well as having proof of a reasonable cause for having a Class C license, having proof of passing an assault weapon training and safety exam, and be at least 21 years of age.
vii. The testing materials for the exams in the sections above shall be distributed for free by the government of Lincoln through the internet
viii. The tests for the exams in the sections above shall be conducted at any facility that performs tests for driver's licenses. The government of Lincoln shall not charge any fees for performing this exam

Section 2: Bans
i. Bump stocks and suppressors shall also be considered prohibited to operate, purchase, sell, or possess by private citizens. Magazines with more then 10 rounds of ammunition are also prohibited.
ii. Any individual that possess, uses, sells or purchases any of the above devices may face a fine not exceeding $100,000 and jail sentence not exceeding 3 years for all convictions made at a single point in time.
iii. Any individual who made a specific threat against a specific a specific citizen, business or institution in Lincoln within the last 60 days from the time they attempt to squire a firearm in Lincoln.

Section 3: Firearm Gifting and Sale Liability
i. Any individual residing in Lincoln that gifts or sells a firearm to any individual that uses it to commit a violent crime may be held both civilly and criminally liable if it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt that they knew or ought to have known it was illegal for the individual to own or operate the firearm or that it would be used in a crime.

Section 4: Public School Security
i. All visitors as defined as a non-current student or faculty to a public school in Lincoln is must have any bags searched by a staff member situated at the front door before they are allowed to enter the School.

Section 5: Bureau of Firearm Safety and Licensing
i. The Bureau of Firearm Safety and Licensing (BFSL) is to be established.
ii. The BFSL shall have an NPC director that is appointed by the governor. The director is to handle hiring all other personnel. The governor can dissolve and reform the BFSL if deemed necessary.
iii. The BFSL is to oversee all proceedings of obtaining a firearms license and collect fines incurred from violations of gun laws.
iv. Collected fines are to be sent to a fund which is to be used to cover the government costs of licensing.

SECTION III: Implementation
1. This bill shall go into effect 1 month after passage.
2. Current gun owners shall be given a 2 year transition period where they can be allowed to keep and use their guns without a license.

VETO.

[S019]

I motion for an override

[Former President tack50]

Councillors, a MOTION TO OVERRIDE the Governor's veto is now open

Please vote AYE, NAY or Abstain
This vote shall last for 48 hours or until all Councillors have voted.
As per the Lincoln Constitution, this needs a majority of Councillors in favour (ie 5 ayes) for the veto to be overridden.

[lfromnj]

Nay

[Former President tack50]

After talking with the Governor

Abstain

There are many concerns about constitutionality. I don't think they are founded and even if they are I would rather have the Supreme Court rule on them (we need to give the Justices something to do after all )

However, with regards to this bill, I think the best thing we can do is to give the people the final say on the bill and let them be the final arbiters of this.

If the people reject this bill, we should probably start with a clean slate and not the deeply flawed base for this (this is still the infamous "watermelon knife" bill after all)

[S019]

I hear the Speaker's concerns, but we are 80% there, why start all over, so I vote in favor of this motion. We can amend the bill later.



AYE!!!

[Pyro]

Nay.

I support the Governor's veto with the expectation that we will work to secure common sense weapons regulations in a future bill. As stated by the Speaker, it is best to start with a clean slate.

[Former President tack50]

For clarity, I will still campaign in favour of this bill in the referendum, but I do think having a referendum with as high of a turnout as possible is a good idea.

I do wonder zombie voters will vote in the referendum though.

I really hope they come to their own conclusions and vote their conscience, but this is probably way too idealistic

[Adam Griffin]

Given the verdict of the Council and my own reservations:

Nay

[Zaybay]

Abstain

[Former President tack50]

The vote to override the Governor's veto is now closed

Aye: 1 (SNJC)
Abstain: 2 (tack50, Zaybay)
Nay: 4 (lfromnj, Pyro, thr33, Griffin)
Not voting: 1 (Dipper Josh)

So the governor's veto stands and the referendum shall continue as planned.