Virginia megathread

[Technocracy Timmy]

If the allegations against Fairfax prove to be true he can go. But clear and proven racism is far and away worse than allegations of a possibility that something MIGHT have happened.

That “something” was rape.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

If Fairfax is innocent there's nothing wrong with what he said about the lady! If she accused him of something he didn't due she's a disgusting human being and should be sued for libel!!!!!!
That being said, the tweet scrubbing seems desperate, so I can't really say I'm as confident as I was before of his innocence. I'll keep an open mind now.

[Horus]

If the allegations against Fairfax prove to be true he can go. But clear and proven racism is far and away worse than allegations of a possibility that something MIGHT have happened.

That “something” was rape.

good luck proving it happened. Like I said, proven racism is worse than unproven rape.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Who said that blackface is okay? Just pointing out that there's an obvious gradient of racism here.

The implication that there is a massive difference between poor judgment 19 and 25 is stupid. Obviously, with age should come better judgment, but it doesn't make sense that a middle-aged man can explain away a mistake made at 19 while they cannot explain away a mistake made at 25. It's not as if Northam did this last week, or even 5 years ago.

Hence, the cognitive dissonance.

[Technocracy Timmy]

If the allegations against Fairfax prove to be true he can go. But clear and proven racism is far and away worse than allegations of a possibility that something MIGHT have happened.

That “something” was rape.

good luck proving it happened. Like I said, proven racism is worse than unproven rape.

Incredible logic Socrates.

[Ban my account ffs!]

It's good he's coming out and apologizing for it. Northam could have survived unscathed had he not bungled his response.

That would be a shame b/c Northam’s klan photo is much worse than this and definitely warrants Northam’s resignation. 

Herring voted to ban gay marriage in 2006 in Virginia.  He not only did something very offensive to LGBT folks but he helped codify a vicious discriminatory policy into the state constitution.

You cannot possibly expect me to overlook this even though he also decided not to defend the gay marriage ban later on.  He should have known by 2006 that banning gay marriage was incredibly wrong.  Other states had already legalized it!

This was 2006 FFS, not 1980 or 1984.  And the man was well beyond the age where you could just chock it up to "youthful homophobia".

So... all of them should go.  They are all monsters.  Virginia can have a government run by monster appointed stand ins.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/kasie/status/1093187988140580864

I hope there is a recording of this. Fairfax has got to go.

No, not at all. This was investigated by an impartial body who determined that the story she told wasn't true. So she then went to a right wing site eager to take down the statewide Democrats in Virginia. Fairfax should slap her with a lawsuit for libel and defamation.

BELIEVE ALL WOMUHN

I've been against the MeToo crap since it appeared in the form of Obama's campus rape kangaroo kourts. If you were raped, go to the police. This woman sucked a guy's d*** in 2004 and now she's screaming rape to a right wing propaganda site to try and destroy him.

OMG! You are as bad as, or even worse, and most of the right-wingers who slandered Professor Ford over Kavanaugh. This is disgusting.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

There IS a huge difference though. "Mental puberty" ends LONG after physical puberty. The brain's development continues well into the 20s and doesn't complete until around 25.

A 19-year old is still a teenager and mentally hardly any different from teenagers who are still minors. A 25-year old is mentally a fully developed adult.

[Horus]

If the allegations against Fairfax prove to be true he can go. But clear and proven racism is far and away worse than allegations of a possibility that something MIGHT have happened.

That “something” was rape.

good luck proving it happened. Like I said, proven racism is worse than unproven rape.

Tbf you do seem like the type of person who would find black face hilarious

[Badger]

Who said that blackface is okay? Just pointing out that there's an obvious gradient of racism here.

The implication that there is a massive difference between poor judgment 19 and 25 is stupid. Obviously, with age should come better judgment, but it doesn't make sense that a middle-aged man can explain away a mistake made at 19 while they cannot explain away a mistake made at 25. It's not as if Northam did this last week, or even 5 years ago.

Hence, the cognitive dissonance.

Forgive me if I sound like a broken record, but the biggest difference here I see is the governor denied this stuff with little credibility, whereas herring admitted it right up front.

I'm not pleased with what these idiots did in their college days 30 years ago, but I'm much more concerned about their character or lack thereof in 2019

[Technocracy Timmy]

If the allegations against Fairfax prove to be true he can go. But clear and proven racism is far and away worse than allegations of a possibility that something MIGHT have happened.

That “something” was rape.

good luck proving it happened. Like I said, proven racism is worse than unproven rape.

Tbf you do seem like the type of person who would find black face hilarious

You quoted yourself. I would recommend tech support so you can avoid these future inconveniences.

[Doimper]

Who said that blackface is okay? Just pointing out that there's an obvious gradient of racism here.

The implication that there is a massive difference between poor judgment 19 and 25 is stupid. Obviously, with age should come better judgment, but it doesn't make sense that a middle-aged man can explain away a mistake made at 19 while they cannot explain away a mistake made at 25. It's not as if Northam did this last week, or even 5 years ago.

I agree, which is why I didn't say that.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Unless one of the two sides presents some kind of evidence I don't see how anyone can claim to know what the truth is.

Everything Fairfax has done suggests he did what he’s been accused of.  Fairfax needs to go even if it means Republicans pick up all three statewide offices.

Except they won't. Herring isn't resigning. But Fairfax absolutely needs to go.

Sure, but my point is priority number one is getting rid of Fairfax.

Your racism is showing

The Med School Klan photo was nowhere near as bad as Fairfax having likely forced himself on a woman.  Both are bad enough to warrant a resignation, but rape, attempted rape, and sexual assault are all far worse than a photo from when a middle aged man was 25 which everyone agrees likely no longer reflects his views.  If you consider that thought process to be racist; that’s your problem.

[Free Bird]

Unless one of the two sides presents some kind of evidence I don't see how anyone can claim to know what the truth is.

A testimony = evidence. Get with the program.

You know how dangerous an idea that is right?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Who said that blackface is okay? Just pointing out that there's an obvious gradient of racism here.

The implication that there is a massive difference between poor judgment 19 and 25 is stupid. Obviously, with age should come better judgment, but it doesn't make sense that a middle-aged man can explain away a mistake made at 19 while they cannot explain away a mistake made at 25. It's not as if Northam did this last week, or even 5 years ago.

Hence, the cognitive dissonance.

Forgive me if I sound like a broken record, but the biggest difference here I see is the governor denied this stuff with little credibility, whereas herring admitted it right up front.

I'm not pleased with what these idiots did in their college days 30 years ago, but I'm much more concerned about their character or lack thereof in 2019

This is kinda where I’m at right now, but I’m gonna pray on it tonight to make sure I’m not being too easy on Herring.

[Horus]

Unless one of the two sides presents some kind of evidence I don't see how anyone can claim to know what the truth is.

Everything Fairfax has done suggests he did what he’s been accused of.  Fairfax needs to go even if it means Republicans pick up all three statewide offices.

Except they won't. Herring isn't resigning. But Fairfax absolutely needs to go.

Sure, but my point is priority number one is getting rid of Fairfax.

Your racism is showing

The Med School Klan photo was nowhere near as bad as Fairfax having likely forced himself on a woman.  Both are bad enough to warrant a resignation, but rape, attempted rape, and sexual assault are all far worse than a photo from when a middle aged man was 25 which everyone agrees likely no longer reflects his views.  If you consider that thought process to be racist; that’s your problem.

"Likely" forced himself isn't proof. Anyone can be accused of rape for any reason, only a racist dresses in blackface.

#believewomen. Especially emmitt till's accuser.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Unless one of the two sides presents some kind of evidence I don't see how anyone can claim to know what the truth is.

Everything Fairfax has done suggests he did what he’s been accused of.  Fairfax needs to go even if it means Republicans pick up all three statewide offices.

Except they won't. Herring isn't resigning. But Fairfax absolutely needs to go.

Sure, but my point is priority number one is getting rid of Fairfax.

Your racism is showing

The Med School Klan photo was nowhere near as bad as Fairfax having likely forced himself on a woman.  Both are bad enough to warrant a resignation, but rape, attempted rape, and sexual assault are all far worse than a photo from when a middle aged man was 25 which everyone agrees likely no longer reflects his views.  If you consider that thought process to be racist; that’s your problem.

Serious arguments don’t work on Horus. You’re better off teaching a blind man to drive.

[The Mikado]

Northam is a grade A moron and a (former?) racist.

Fairfax, if true, is a monster.

No comparison.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Northam is a grade A moron and a (former?) racist.

Fairfax, if true, is a monster.

No comparison.

This

[Horus]

Northam is a grade A moron and a (former?) racist.

Fairfax, if true, is a monster.

No comparison.

The "if true" caveat only applies to Fairfax, but due to his skin color the #metoo neolibs have already convicted him.

[Fight for Trump]

Who said that blackface is okay? Just pointing out that there's an obvious gradient of racism here.

The implication that there is a massive difference between poor judgment 19 and 25 is stupid. Obviously, with age should come better judgment, but it doesn't make sense that a middle-aged man can explain away a mistake made at 19 while they cannot explain away a mistake made at 25. It's not as if Northam did this last week, or even 5 years ago.

Hence, the cognitive dissonance.

Forgive me if I sound like a broken record, but the biggest difference here I see is the governor denied this stuff with little credibility, whereas herring admitted it right up front.

I'm not pleased with what these idiots did in their college days 30 years ago, but I'm much more concerned about their character or lack thereof in 2019

Yes, I agree.

Kind of similar to how I am more disappointed in Elizabeth Warren's DNA test stunt that she did as a US Senator aged 69, more than what she did in her 20s and 30s as a young lawyer who sometimes identified as "American Indian" based on "family stories". (I don't want to go off topic, but the point I'm making is that what these politicians do now as "wise" elder leaders of society is what I really care about)

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Northam is a grade A moron and a (former?) racist.

Fairfax, if true, is a monster.

No comparison.

The "if true" caveat only applies to Fairfax, but due to his skin color the #metoo neolibs have already convicted him.

You don't have to have positive feelings about #MeToo to understand how serious and likely accurate this story is given the motivations of the involved parties, the timeline, the amount of graphic detail and especially every single aspect of the Fairfax response. He's done everything short of saying "I raped her."

[Ban my account ffs!]

There IS a huge difference though. "Mental puberty" ends LONG after physical puberty. The brain's development continues well into the 20s and doesn't complete until around 25.

A 19-year old is still a teenager and mentally hardly any different from teenagers who are still minors. A 25-year old is mentally a fully developed adult.

"mental puberty" isn't a thing.  If it is, it's something that occurs your entire life.

You're talking about brain development.  And you're assuming the photo was taken when Northam was 25.  Could it not have been taken when he was 22 or 23?  This was, after all, his senior yearbook, no?  With your logic, he still wouldn't be a fully developed adult when the photo was taken!

And that begs the question:  Where is the line?  What year between 19 and 25 does it become unforgivable to wear blackface?  Is it 21?  22?  24?  Does it depend on the person?  Where the person grew up?  The cultural norms he grew up in?

Where is the line?  We know these things are on a continuum but the law requires a line.  Where is it?

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Committing actual election fraud to steal a state legislative chamber is far worse than anything Northam/FairFax/Herring did/are being accused of, no questions asked. We should not let someone guilty of such election fraud become Governor in any circumstance.

FairFax is innocent; the allegations against him are false.
Herring only made a minor bad joke when he was 19 years old that he has sincerely apologized for, and clearly shows that this does not resemble his current behavior.
Northam is the only of the 3 who actually needs to go.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

There IS a huge difference though. "Mental puberty" ends LONG after physical puberty. The brain's development continues well into the 20s and doesn't complete until around 25.

A 19-year old is still a teenager and mentally hardly any different from teenagers who are still minors. A 25-year old is mentally a fully developed adult.

"mental puberty" isn't a thing.  If it is, it's something that occurs your entire life.

You're talking about brain development.  And you're assuming the photo was taken when Northam was 25.  Could it not have been taken when he was 22 or 23?  This was, after all, his senior yearbook, no?  With your logic, he still wouldn't be a fully developed adult when the photo was taken!

And that begs the question:  Where is the line?  What year between 19 and 25 does it become unforgivable to wear blackface?  Is it 21?  22?  24?  Does it depend on the person?  Where the person grew up?  The cultural norms he grew up in?

Where is the line?  We know these things are on a continuum but the law requires a line.  Where is it?

Frankly I don't think dressing in blackface at 19 or 25 warrants a resignation 30 years later or anything beyond an apology. But a 19-25 year old or hell even a 15-year old should be able to see the problem with dressing as a KKK member.