Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

I'm sorry I know they are supposed to ask "tough" questions but the one about the boston bomber was absurd

[Shadows]

Sanders is the only candidate who can get away with this Boston bomber stuff which looks bad in the eyes of the unwashed masses even though his view may be correct.

The GOP is going to come up with crazy negative ads for everyone but I wonder if anything will stick regarding Bernie.

[Morning in Atlas]

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[henster]

Why is he willing to die on this hill in regards to voting rights? Absolutely nothing wrong with restoring voting rights for felons once they've completed their sentence this is an idea that has won overwhelming bipartisan support in a swing state like FL. Instead of backing that idea he takes the fringest view that they should vote while in prison which is universally unpopular. This is why I don't think Bernie is electable in the end he just has terrible political instincts.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

The Boston Bomber thing is going to have no effect.

Nobody is going to flip their vote because of that. The universe of people who are simultaneously in support of M4A, tuition-free college, banning fracking, etc. but offended at the idea of a criminal voting is very small. The universe of people who feel as strongly about the latter that it would outweigh their support for the former is empty.

[lfromnj]

TBF to Bernie convicts can already vote in Vermont.

[Famous Mortimer]

Boston bomber thing will hurt him in the general but no one voting in the Democratic primary cares.

Now if they had asked him about James Fields, that would have put him in a tough position.

[henster]

TBF to Bernie convicts can already vote in Vermont.

Of course he could articulate that in his response, 'Hey it's legal in two states, it'll be no big deal' but he doesn't. When you really think about it he's just going to be out of his depth in a GE, running in VT just pales in comparison to what he'll face if he's the nominee.

[Famous Mortimer]

TBF to Bernie convicts can already vote in Vermont.

Of course he could articulate that in his response, 'Hey it's legal in two states, it'll be no big deal' but he doesn't. When you really think about it he's just going to be out of his depth in a GE, running in VT just pales in comparison to what he'll face if he's the nominee.

Two states with the fewest violent convicts. I know Maine has the lowest violent crime rate. Vermont is pretty close behind if not number 2.

[Progressive Pessimist]

The whole Boston Bomber focus is such a stupid red herring meant to scare people about felons voting. I'm totally for it. Who cares? They're still voting for the same candidates we are. If a sex offender wants to support a candidate because they're a sex offender like them, that's on the candidate more than the convict.

[Pyro]

https://twitter.com/PrettyBadLefty/status/1120770944526639105

[henster]

https://twitter.com/PrettyBadLefty/status/1120770944526639105

Actually this is a legit issue. What's stopping a bunch of prisoners voting for a candidate(DA) who promises more lenient sentences or looser laws on say sexual assault? It's such a can of worms especially considering a lot of prisons are in rural areas and prisoners often outnumber the people that actually live there.

[Bumaye]

https://twitter.com/PrettyBadLefty/status/1120770944526639105

Actually this is a legit issue. What's stopping a bunch of prisoners voting for a candidate(DA) who promises more lenient sentences or looser laws on say sexual assault? It's such a can of worms especially considering a lot of prisons are in rural areas and prisoners often outnumber the people that actually live there.

In The Netherlands and Finland for example every inmate is allowed to vote and as we all know they legalized rape and pedophilia. /s

In Germany you can only lose your voting rights in case of treason or if a court has ruled that you have a severe psychological issue.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

You know, one long-established and pretty stable democracy that does give prisoners the absolute right to vote (and in which prisoners do vote and in which the votes of prisoners have often mattered) is actually Israel.

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://twitter.com/PrettyBadLefty/status/1120770944526639105

Actually this is a legit issue. What's stopping a bunch of prisoners voting for a candidate(DA) who promises more lenient sentences or looser laws on say sexual assault? It's such a can of worms especially considering a lot of prisons are in rural areas and prisoners often outnumber the people that actually live there.

If your best justification for disenfranchising the incarcerated is that they might selfishly support bad policies, you're going to freak out when you find out how everyone else votes.

Voting is a way for people to participate in society and again one of the point of prison is to lock them away from normal society so they should not have the right to vote in prison. In prison many of your rights are taken away and voting should definitely be one of them


 

You know, one long-established and pretty stable democracy that does give prisoners the absolute right to vote (and in which prisoners do vote and in which the votes of prisoners have often mattered) is actually Israel.

Well the American system works far better than Israel's does and I would say its still the best in the world or at least in the top 3.

[Chief Justice Keef]

Well the American system works far better than Israel's does and I would say its still the best in the world or at least in the top 3.

I think the experts would disagree and put the US around #25.

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https://twitter.com/People4Bernie/status/1121103110212964352

[Matty]

Unreal. CNN out with 1970s hit piece

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/24/politics/bernie-millionaire-senators-immoral/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FEu8FxioGzJ

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

Voting is a way for people to participate in society and again one of the point of prison is to lock them away from normal society so they should not have the right to vote in prison. In prison many of your rights are taken away and voting should definitely be one of them

Why?

In normal society many people wear shoelaces. People in prison should be locked out of a normal society and as punishment for their crimes should not be allowed to have shoelaces.
 
The decision to strip people of their voting rights is just as arbitrary.

[Cassandra]

Voting is a way for people to participate in society and again one of the point of prison is to lock them away from normal society so they should not have the right to vote in prison. In prison many of your rights are taken away and voting should definitely be one of them

Why?

In normal society many people wear shoelaces. People in prison should be locked out of a normal society and as punishment for their crimes should not be allowed to have shoelaces.
 
The decision to strip people of their voting rights is just as arbitrary.

That is not why people in prison are not allowed to have shoelaces. They remove those to prevent suicide attempts.

[John Dule]

https://twitter.com/PrettyBadLefty/status/1120770944526639105

Actually this is a legit issue. What's stopping a bunch of prisoners voting for a candidate(DA) who promises more lenient sentences or looser laws on say sexual assault? It's such a can of worms especially considering a lot of prisons are in rural areas and prisoners often outnumber the people that actually live there.

That's nuts; that's like saying that if we let welfare recipients vote they'll just keep voting for candidates who promise more handouts from redistributive government policies.



Wait a minute...

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

Voting is a way for people to participate in society and again one of the point of prison is to lock them away from normal society so they should not have the right to vote in prison. In prison many of your rights are taken away and voting should definitely be one of them

Why?

In normal society many people wear shoelaces. People in prison should be locked out of a normal society and as punishment for their crimes should not be allowed to have shoelaces.
 
The decision to strip people of their voting rights is just as arbitrary.

That is not why people in prison are not allowed to have shoelaces. They remove those to prevent suicide attempts.

Yes, poor example on my part. I was trying to think of something incredibly arbitrary and must have subconsciously associated shoelaces and prison for this reason.

[Adam Griffin]

All too many Americans don't understand the point of incarceration. Most people aren't locked up for life. The incarceration and loss of freedom is the punishment. This notion that you should then also make every living moment as hellish as possible, remove every vestige of normal society from the equation and strip people of their humanity is in my view excessive, damaging and pointless. These people are going to be getting back out - except now they've been institutionalized and isolated from society before moving into your neighborhood.

Even prisoners are subject to public policy. Decisions are made that affect their living conditions (most notably, criminal justice and prison-related policy changes) and their wages and taxes - for those grinding at slave wages and making products for private prison companies - still contribute to society. If you're an adult and a citizen, then you should have a say in what your government is doing. Using specific criminal acts as justification for why people shouldn't be allowed to vote are nothing more than logical fallacies that attempt to appeal to emotion. We don't (or shouldn't) decide public policy based on such nonsense.

[Higgins]

Should:

Lifers
Convicted drug dealers/traffickers/distributors
Convicted stalkers
Convicted rapists
Convicted child molesters
Convicted murderers

Have the right to vote?

I am for those who are in prison with non-violent minor misdemeanors voting, and those in jail awaiting trial, but should the above really have the right to vote? Is that the kind of people who you want to defend?

[jacobmeteorite]

That poll that said 25% of Bernie voters would vote for Trump over Elizabeth Warren makes my blood boil