Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

[South Dakota Democrat]

Why all the secrecy and misleading the public? Just announce the pick, Joe seems to have made up his mind.

Based on what?

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

I mean I really do think my prediction of Biden announcing late next week will come true lmfao

[BidenHarris2020]

We're done here:

https://twitter.com/APBreaklngNews/status/1291927314788425729

That's fake. Read the account handle

LMAO & I oop

I ran to twitter so fast.. 💀

[BidenHarris2020]

Leaving your State in the midst of a coronavirus resurgence is not a good look. Michigan's SoE was even extended by her today. Yikes

99% of people won't care.  There is an order of succession for a reason.  Also, this standard is never applied to senators who seek the vice presidency or presidency.

Because Senators don't run their states.

True, but they have duties to perform, and no one seems to care when they essentially take a leave of absence to campaign.  And as I said, there are mechanisms in place to ensure there is leadership in the state while the governor is away (typically the lieutenant governor becoming a sort of acting governor), not sure why this would be a concern.

A Senator is not a Governor. Again, the Chief Executive of a state jumping ship to campaign for the Vice Presidency, is not a good look. Especially after extending a contentious stay at home/mask order. No matter how you try to spin it.

Again, I really don't think that's how most people will see it (and even if they do see it that way, I doubt it swings many votes).  I think it's more like, you did well in this job, so you're being promoted type of thing.  And all I really have to win on this argument is perception, since you're just saying it doesn't look good.

Barely 2.5 years into her first term, though..idk 🤐

[South Dakota Democrat]

Leaving your State in the midst of a coronavirus resurgence is not a good look. Michigan's SoE was even extended by her today. Yikes

99% of people won't care.  There is an order of succession for a reason.  Also, this standard is never applied to senators who seek the vice presidency or presidency.

Because Senators don't run their states.

True, but they have duties to perform, and no one seems to care when they essentially take a leave of absence to campaign.  And as I said, there are mechanisms in place to ensure there is leadership in the state while the governor is away (typically the lieutenant governor becoming a sort of acting governor), not sure why this would be a concern.

A Senator is not a Governor. Again, the Chief Executive of a state jumping ship to campaign for the Vice Presidency, is not a good look. Especially after extending a contentious stay at home/mask order. No matter how you try to spin it.

Again, I really don't think that's how most people will see it (and even if they do see it that way, I doubt it swings many votes).  I think it's more like, you did well in this job, so you're being promoted type of thing.  And all I really have to win on this argument is perception, since you're just saying it doesn't look good.

Barely 2.5 years into her first term, though..idk 🤐

1.5 years actually

And I've said it before, but I'll address it again.  I think managing a crisis effectively is much more important than years on the job.  I mean, does it really matter if you've been governor for 8 years vs. 2 if you've never really had to deal with a crisis?

[Corbyn is (no longer) the leader of the Labour Party]

Why all the secrecy and misleading the public? Just announce the pick, Joe seems to have made up his mind.

Based on what?

The convention is only ten days away correct? He has to choose at least very soon.

[BidenHarris2020]

Whitmer would be one of the more electable 2024 Dem candidates and would, like every other contender, be more liberal than her Senate. More likely to keep the Senate hers too—2024 will see:

Joe Manchin (won by 3 in 2018, in D+9 national environment)
Jon Tester (won by 3.5)
Debbie Stabenow (from Michigan herself, won by 6.5)
Sherrod Brown (won by 7)
Tammy Baldwin (won by 11)

all up for Senate from Midwestern states. If you think Schumer hates M4A, meet Senate Majority Leader John Thune.

And to the extent the VP is important in winning 2020 (not their most important function by far, which is party back-up leader and 2024 frontrunner), she's one of the best picks. I don't buy the bluster about "leaving your state" mid-COVID. She's competent, she's from one the three most crucial states (albeit the bluest of them), and I think we should expect the average 2-3 point bump there compared to say a Harris scenario. +.5 in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

Whitmer's not even in my top 3, but the case is definitely there. If you think of the 2020s as a decade where the "new America" is nascent but not yet a majority and must be safeguarded, you could do a lot worse than Whitmer. I think that's the most realistic view of America ... but let's see what 20 toxic Twitter personalities have to say first.

I so want an all-woman Kamala Harris/Gretchen Whitmer ticket in 2024.....    

The heads that would explode..

[South Dakota Democrat]

Why all the secrecy and misleading the public? Just announce the pick, Joe seems to have made up his mind.

Based on what?

The convention is only ten days away correct? He has to choose at least very soon.

Okay?  Not sure I follow your point.

[BidenHarris2020]

Leaving your State in the midst of a coronavirus resurgence is not a good look. Michigan's SoE was even extended by her today. Yikes

99% of people won't care.  There is an order of succession for a reason.  Also, this standard is never applied to senators who seek the vice presidency or presidency.

Because Senators don't run their states.

True, but they have duties to perform, and no one seems to care when they essentially take a leave of absence to campaign.  And as I said, there are mechanisms in place to ensure there is leadership in the state while the governor is away (typically the lieutenant governor becoming a sort of acting governor), not sure why this would be a concern.

A Senator is not a Governor. Again, the Chief Executive of a state jumping ship to campaign for the Vice Presidency, is not a good look. Especially after extending a contentious stay at home/mask order. No matter how you try to spin it.

Again, I really don't think that's how most people will see it (and even if they do see it that way, I doubt it swings many votes).  I think it's more like, you did well in this job, so you're being promoted type of thing.  And all I really have to win on this argument is perception, since you're just saying it doesn't look good.

Barely 2.5 years into her first term, though..idk 🤐

1.5 years actually

And I've said it before, but I'll address it again.  I think managing a crisis effectively is much more important than years on the job.  I mean, does it really matter if you've been governor for 8 years vs. 2 if you've never really had to deal with a crisis?

Yes it does, especially this cycle.
1.5 years.That's even worse. If anything she will be under more scrutiny (as a woman, unfairly so) and because Joe has one foot in the grave. Someone who has been Governor for 1.5 years, no foreign policy experience... I will credit her for her handling of the outbreak in Michigan, though.

[dunceDude]

I so want an all-woman Kamala Harris/Gretchen Whitmer ticket in 2024.....    

People ought to lean into our ability to make *most* of Veep on hbo's subplots occur by 2025, if we pursue an aggressive, grass-roots led agenda.

[South Dakota Democrat]

Leaving your State in the midst of a coronavirus resurgence is not a good look. Michigan's SoE was even extended by her today. Yikes

99% of people won't care.  There is an order of succession for a reason.  Also, this standard is never applied to senators who seek the vice presidency or presidency.

Because Senators don't run their states.

True, but they have duties to perform, and no one seems to care when they essentially take a leave of absence to campaign.  And as I said, there are mechanisms in place to ensure there is leadership in the state while the governor is away (typically the lieutenant governor becoming a sort of acting governor), not sure why this would be a concern.

A Senator is not a Governor. Again, the Chief Executive of a state jumping ship to campaign for the Vice Presidency, is not a good look. Especially after extending a contentious stay at home/mask order. No matter how you try to spin it.

Again, I really don't think that's how most people will see it (and even if they do see it that way, I doubt it swings many votes).  I think it's more like, you did well in this job, so you're being promoted type of thing.  And all I really have to win on this argument is perception, since you're just saying it doesn't look good.

Barely 2.5 years into her first term, though..idk 🤐

1.5 years actually

And I've said it before, but I'll address it again.  I think managing a crisis effectively is much more important than years on the job.  I mean, does it really matter if you've been governor for 8 years vs. 2 if you've never really had to deal with a crisis?

Yes it does, especially this cycle.
1.5 years.That's even worse. If anything she will be under more scrutiny (as a woman, unfairly so) and because Joe has one foot in the grave. Someone who has been Governor for 1.5 years, no foreign policy experience... I will credit her for her handling of the outbreak in Michigan, though.

"Yes it does"...warrants, please?

[dunceDude]

I would personally give kamala the Vice Presidency tonight if I could never see this photo again



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[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Personally I think Biden cornered himself with his pledge to pick a woman as VP

[South Dakota Democrat]

Personally I think Biden cornered himself with his pledge to pick a woman as VP

I agree.  He definitely should have picked a woman,  but he didn't have to promise it ahead of time.

[WD]

Personally I think Biden cornered himself with his pledge to pick a woman as VP

Yeah he should have picked Kasich. #UnityTicket #Bipartisanship #Moderates

[BidenHarris2020]

I would personally give kamala the Vice Presidency tonight if I could never see this photo again



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[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Can we stop spamming Kamala's picture here?

[Devils30]

Whitmer really is doubling down on the suburbs if Biden selects her but I would argue it’s a pretty sound strategy. She’ll have much more appeal where the flips are compared to Coastal Rice and Harris.

[BidenHarris2020]

Whitmer really is doubling down on the suburbs if Biden selects her but I would argue it’s a pretty sound strategy. She’ll have much more appeal where the flips are compared to Coastal Rice and Harris.

Can we drop the right wing "coastal elites" nonsense. It comes off as if you're saying uppity. I never hear the same about Elizabeth. 

[DrScholl]

Whitmer really is doubling down on the suburbs if Biden selects her but I would argue it’s a pretty sound strategy. She’ll have much more appeal where the flips are compared to Coastal Rice and Harris.

Whitmer is going to be seen as "elite" by the people who believe in that sort of thing simply because she is a woman in a position of authority. And if we are going to talk elite, the current President is the stereotypical example of that and shows it every day.

[YE]

Whitmer really is doubling down on the suburbs if Biden selects her but I would argue it’s a pretty sound strategy. She’ll have much more appeal where the flips are compared to Coastal Rice and Harris.

Can we drop the right wing "coastal elites" nonsense. It comes off as if you're saying uppity. I never hear the same about Elizabeth. 

I’ve heard that a ton with Warren lmao

[soundchaser]

People call Warren an “Ivy League elite” all the time, even though she grew up in a working-class Oklahoman family. It’s not necessarily a dogwhistle.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Whitmer really is doubling down on the suburbs if Biden selects her but I would argue it’s a pretty sound strategy. She’ll have much more appeal where the flips are compared to Coastal Rice and Harris.

Can we drop the right wing "coastal elites" nonsense. It comes off as if you're saying uppity. I never hear the same about Elizabeth.  

I’ve heard that a ton with Warren lmao

Shhhhh. Only Harris gets criticisms in this thread. Sexism!

[WD]

Whitmer really is doubling down on the suburbs if Biden selects her but I would argue it’s a pretty sound strategy. She’ll have much more appeal where the flips are compared to Coastal Rice and Harris.

Can we drop the right wing "coastal elites" nonsense. It comes off as if you're saying uppity. I never hear the same about Elizabeth.  

I’ve heard that a ton with Warren lmao

Shhhhh. Only Harris gets criticisms in this thread. So unfair!

It is a good point. Harris is one of the most liberal members of the Senate and she’s from Oakland, CA. Doesn’t exactly connect well with voters in MI,PA,WI. Not saying she’s a bad pick and obviously it will have very little effect but the whole “coastal elite” thing is grounded in reality, it’s sad and I wish democrats could do more to change that perception, since the GOP is the true party of the elites.

[Gracile]

Uh "coastal elite" is a phrase that Republicans have hurled at dozens of Democratic politicians - it's about as ubiquitous of an attack line as referring to Democrats as socialists.