Biden VP news megathread (pg 286 - been selected, announcement could be today)

[Beet]

The Post still has Warren as the best non-Harris pick:

https://twitter.com/cliftonicwater/status/1286659160046571520

I'd like to add it's not just about what percentage of people say they'll support Biden, but enthusiasm for the ticket from those who supported a more progressive candidate and how genuine Biden's policy proposals (in which there are things for progressives to like) are seen. With Warren on the ticket, it definitely adds credibility to the notion that he'll actually try to do the things he lists.

[Heebie Jeebie]

The Post still has Warren as the best non-Harris pick:

I'd like to add it's not just about what percentage of people say they'll support Biden, but enthusiasm for the ticket from those who supported a more progressive candidate and how genuine Biden's policy proposals (in which there are things for progressives to like) are seen. With Warren on the ticket, it definitely adds credibility to the notion that he'll actually try to do the things he lists.

The problem is that Warren would motivate the right more than she would the left.

[BidenHarris2020]

The Post still has Warren as the best non-Harris pick:

I'd like to add it's not just about what percentage of people say they'll support Biden, but enthusiasm for the ticket from those who supported a more progressive candidate and how genuine Biden's policy proposals (in which there are things for progressives to like) are seen. With Warren on the ticket, it definitely adds credibility to the notion that he'll actually try to do the things he lists.

The problem is that Warren would motivate the right more than she would the left.

The last thing a ticket with one old white man needs, is an old white woman.

[Beet]

The Post still has Warren as the best non-Harris pick:

I'd like to add it's not just about what percentage of people say they'll support Biden, but enthusiasm for the ticket from those who supported a more progressive candidate and how genuine Biden's policy proposals (in which there are things for progressives to like) are seen. With Warren on the ticket, it definitely adds credibility to the notion that he'll actually try to do the things he lists.

The problem is that Warren would motivate the right more than she would the left.

The right is going to be super motivated no matter what.

[Heebie Jeebie]

The Post still has Warren as the best non-Harris pick:

I'd like to add it's not just about what percentage of people say they'll support Biden, but enthusiasm for the ticket from those who supported a more progressive candidate and how genuine Biden's policy proposals (in which there are things for progressives to like) are seen. With Warren on the ticket, it definitely adds credibility to the notion that he'll actually try to do the things he lists.

The problem is that Warren would motivate the right more than she would the left.

The right is going to be super motivated no matter what.

Have you seen the national polling?  A lot of the right/center-right don't currently seem very motivated to vote against Biden, but it's easy to imagine then enthused to vote against Warren.

[Devils30]

Does anyone really believe Biden would go with Bass? I feel like his political team is leaning Duckworth

[wbrocks67]

Mrs. Bass is not amused by that article.

https://twitter.com/karenbasstweets/status/1286668019251519489?s=21

Glad she said this. It was really crude of POLITICO to make "the anti-Kamala Harris" some huge slight towards Harris. Just really wrong.

[wbrocks67]

Does anyone really believe Biden would go with Bass? I feel like his political team is leaning Duckworth

I would not be surprised if the *true* two final picks were Duckworth and Harris. Don't really buy that Demings, Bass, Warren or even in the real final mix.

[politics_king]

The Post still has Warren as the best non-Harris pick:

https://twitter.com/cliftonicwater/status/1286659160046571520

I'd like to add it's not just about what percentage of people say they'll support Biden, but enthusiasm for the ticket from those who supported a more progressive candidate and how genuine Biden's policy proposals (in which there are things for progressives to like) are seen. With Warren on the ticket, it definitely adds credibility to the notion that he'll actually try to do the things he lists.

Honestly, it sounds like Biden is really going to put Warren at least in his cabinet. If he does pick Karen Bass to really bring the whole party together that's good. If he picks Kamala Harris, that's a great pick too, she's really been pushing more progressive bills while being a Senator. Susan Rice will be a good pick, even though everyone thinks Benghazi would somehow become a campaign issue. I'm still in the KLB camp, but I think she'll end up being a cabinet pick. Just reading the bickering around here is crazy and the Bernie Bros list is ridiculous but that's what hardcore fanatics are like.

[BidenHarris2020]

The Post still has Warren as the best non-Harris pick:

https://twitter.com/cliftonicwater/status/1286659160046571520
I'd like to add it's not just about what percentage of people say they'll support Biden, but enthusiasm for the ticket from those who supported a more progressive candidate and how genuine Biden's policy proposals (in which there are things for progressives to like) are seen. With Warren on the ticket, it definitely adds credibility to the notion that he'll actually try to do the things he lists.

Honestly, it sounds like Biden is really going to put Warren at least in his cabinet. If he does pick Karen Bass to really bring the whole party together that's good. If he picks Kamala Harris, that's a great pick too, she's really been pushing more progressive bills while being a Senator. Susan Rice will be a good pick, even though everyone thinks Benghazi would somehow become a campaign issue. I'm still in the KLB camp, but I think she'll end up being a cabinet pick. Just reading the bickering around here is crazy and the Bernie Bros list is ridiculous but that's what hardcore fanatics are like.

Something tells me KLB has her eyes on the Governorship in 2 years.

[politics_king]

The Post still has Warren as the best non-Harris pick:

https://twitter.com/cliftonicwater/status/1286659160046571520
I'd like to add it's not just about what percentage of people say they'll support Biden, but enthusiasm for the ticket from those who supported a more progressive candidate and how genuine Biden's policy proposals (in which there are things for progressives to like) are seen. With Warren on the ticket, it definitely adds credibility to the notion that he'll actually try to do the things he lists.

Honestly, it sounds like Biden is really going to put Warren at least in his cabinet. If he does pick Karen Bass to really bring the whole party together that's good. If he picks Kamala Harris, that's a great pick too, she's really been pushing more progressive bills while being a Senator. Susan Rice will be a good pick, even though everyone thinks Benghazi would somehow become a campaign issue. I'm still in the KLB camp, but I think she'll end up being a cabinet pick. Just reading the bickering around here is crazy and the Bernie Bros list is ridiculous but that's what hardcore fanatics are like.

Something tells me KLB has her eyes on the Governorship in 2 years.

She has a lot of options, run for a 2nd term for Mayor, run for Governor or run for the Senate in 2022. I don't think she'll get the VP nod, though a cabinet position could be interesting for her. Let's say she runs for Governor and wins then along with the Dems having more Governors than the GOP, I could see her as the Head of the NGA if she was elected Governor of Georgia.

[wbrocks67]

KLB would be very smart to aim for GA-GOV

[Heebie Jeebie]

KLB would be very smart to aim for GA-GOV

Abrams is getting another shot at GA-GOV in 2022. KLB should go for GA-AG.

[NewYorkExpress]

KLB would be very smart to aim for GA-GOV

Bottoms isn't going to run against Stacey Abrams.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/politics/biden-vp-kamala-harris/index.html

CNN has been ranking the top contenders (in their opinion) for a while now.

Here's their current list:

10. Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)

9. Gov. Gina Raimondo (D-RI)

8. Rep. Karen Bass (D-CA)

7. Rep. Val Demings (D-FL)

6. Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D-NM)

5. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)

4. Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-IL)

3. Fmr. Ambassador Susan Rice (D-ME?)

2. Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms (D-GA)

1. Senator Kamala Harris (D-CA)

I think what's telling about this list is that Stacey Abrams, for example, is nowhere to be seen.

[politics_king]

KLB would be very smart to aim for GA-GOV

Abrams is getting another shot at GA-GOV in 2022. KLB should go for GA-AG.

I think Abrams would be a great Senate pick. She'll definitely energize the down ballot selections voters.

[Beet]

The Post still has Warren as the best non-Harris pick:

https://twitter.com/cliftonicwater/status/1286659160046571520

I'd like to add it's not just about what percentage of people say they'll support Biden, but enthusiasm for the ticket from those who supported a more progressive candidate and how genuine Biden's policy proposals (in which there are things for progressives to like) are seen. With Warren on the ticket, it definitely adds credibility to the notion that he'll actually try to do the things he lists.

Honestly, it sounds like Biden is really going to put Warren at least in his cabinet. If he does pick Karen Bass to really bring the whole party together that's good. If he picks Kamala Harris, that's a great pick too, she's really been pushing more progressive bills while being a Senator. Susan Rice will be a good pick, even though everyone thinks Benghazi would somehow become a campaign issue. I'm still in the KLB camp, but I think she'll end up being a cabinet pick. Just reading the bickering around here is crazy and the Bernie Bros list is ridiculous but that's what hardcore fanatics are like.

I think there is definitely always some crazy when it comes to politics, but it makes sense for why people are invested in this decision. Given Biden's age, the history making potential, and the propensity of Democratic primary voters to pick well known established candidates, a bad pick could really screw things over for a long time. While a good pick could bring genuine hope in a time where there's not a lot of that.

[Oryxslayer]

KLB would be very smart to aim for GA-GOV

Abrams is getting another shot at GA-GOV in 2022. KLB should go for GA-AG.

I think Abrams would be a great Senate pick. She'll definitely energize the down ballot selections voters.

Abrams would be a great Senate nominee, but she passed on those races this year, among other contests. Abrams wants the governors office, and nothing will dissuade her. Everyone in the GA democrats knows to stay out of her way.

[Beet]

The Post still has Warren as the best non-Harris pick:

I'd like to add it's not just about what percentage of people say they'll support Biden, but enthusiasm for the ticket from those who supported a more progressive candidate and how genuine Biden's policy proposals (in which there are things for progressives to like) are seen. With Warren on the ticket, it definitely adds credibility to the notion that he'll actually try to do the things he lists.

The problem is that Warren would motivate the right more than she would the left.

The right is going to be super motivated no matter what.

Have you seen the national polling?  A lot of the right/center-right don't currently seem very motivated to vote against Biden, but it's easy to imagine then enthused to vote against Warren.

The types that would be enthused against Warren are going to come out for Trump regardless. Any woman Biden picks will be relentlessly demonized and you're naive if you're not counting on that.

[tallguy23]

Bernie bros are going to Bernie Bro.

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1286462426142187525

Honestly, this makes me favor Harris and Duckworth even more.  I love Warren, but if the Bernie bros think she'd be an acceptable running mate that's a good sign she'd be a bad pick.

LOL at them being against a disabled war vet female POC.

Girl bye.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Honestly, her vote on the defense budget cuts is irrelevant. She's had the MOST progressive voting record in the Senate since she assumed office in 2017.

Also, she explained that the reason she voted against the amendment was that the cuts were too broad. She stated that she supports more targeted cuts and that she would support such measures in the future.

Also, the amendment wasn't going to pass anyways it was more of a "show" amendment.

Oh yes, total workhorse Kamala Harris concentrating on the issues that matter like trying to get Twitter to ban Trump's account.

Wow, I've never heard that one before. You're so clever! .

Anyways, Trump's Twitter account should be banned and that's not even close to most of what Kamala has advocated for in her 3 years as a Senator. I wouldn't expect you or most people on Atlas to care though.

Don't even bother trying to explain. These anti-Kamala people are purely irrational; they cannot be reasoned and will continue to choose to only see what they want to see despite what is true.

Oh no it’s obvious why certain anti-Kamala people act like that - they know she’s intelligent and charismatic and would easily win the nomination in 2024, and don’t like the idea that they’ll have to wait until 2032 for another chance at their candidate - but of course the Dems won’t win four elections in a row, so it’s more like 2040.

That's my problem too. People keep criticizing me because they know I'm an intelligent and charismatic winner. 

[GoTfan]

Bernie bros are going to Bernie Bro.

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1286462426142187525

This is hilarious. The arrogance lmao

Ah yes. Because if there's one thing Harris supporters aren't, it's arrogant.

So Harris supporters are arrogant, while the Sanders fans claiming to be leading a transformative revolution (while being refuted by the voters - twice) are humble...

That awesome moment when you live in Scotland and go online to tell Americans they're arrogant for wanting healthcare.

1. I never mentioned healthcare, and was speaking more to the frustrating aspects of the Sanders fanbase, rather than any specific policy.

2. Please don't NHS-shame me. I am fully aware of my privilege. The NHS gave me extra time with three of my grandparents before they died from cancer, and protected our family from significant economic strain. Moreover, my aunt is receiving hospice care right now, from some of the most admirable people in the country. We are blessed, and I will never forget that.

However.

I'm a pragmatist. I believe that the best way to expand healthcare is to elect a democratic trifecta, and I believe Joe Biden had the best chance of uniting the party to pursue that outcome.

You can't go from the US model to the NHS overnight, not in a country with a system like the USA. Obviously it's not my place to tell you how to do it, but to imagine that you can just create a single-payer system in the space between 2020 and 2022 feels like a stretch.

Moderats to LBJ in 1964:

"You can't sign this civil rights bill overnight, not in a country like the USA. You can't just automatically create full civil rights between now and 1968."

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Bernie bros are going to Bernie Bro.

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1286462426142187525

This is hilarious. The arrogance lmao

Ah yes. Because if there's one thing Harris supporters aren't, it's arrogant.

So Harris supporters are arrogant, while the Sanders fans claiming to be leading a transformative revolution (while being refuted by the voters - twice) are humble...

That awesome moment when you live in Scotland and go online to tell Americans they're arrogant for wanting healthcare.

1. I never mentioned healthcare, and was speaking more to the frustrating aspects of the Sanders fanbase, rather than any specific policy.

2. Please don't NHS-shame me. I am fully aware of my privilege. The NHS gave me extra time with three of my grandparents before they died from cancer, and protected our family from significant economic strain. Moreover, my aunt is receiving hospice care right now, from some of the most admirable people in the country. We are blessed, and I will never forget that.

However.

I'm a pragmatist. I believe that the best way to expand healthcare is to elect a democratic trifecta, and I believe Joe Biden had the best chance of uniting the party to pursue that outcome.

You can't go from the US model to the NHS overnight, not in a country with a system like the USA. Obviously it's not my place to tell you how to do it, but to imagine that you can just create a single-payer system in the space between 2020 and 2022 feels like a stretch.

Moderats to LBJ in 1964:

"You can't sign this civil rights bill overnight, not in a country like the USA. You can't just automatically create full civil rights between now and 1968."

Um, not comparable.

The Jim Crow laws of the South were mostly a social order/system. The current United States healthcare system is a major part of our country's ECONOMIC system.

You can't just simply overhaul that overnight. It has to be a gradual process.

[Oryxslayer]

Bernie bros are going to Bernie Bro.

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1286462426142187525

This is hilarious. The arrogance lmao

Ah yes. Because if there's one thing Harris supporters aren't, it's arrogant.

So Harris supporters are arrogant, while the Sanders fans claiming to be leading a transformative revolution (while being refuted by the voters - twice) are humble...

That awesome moment when you live in Scotland and go online to tell Americans they're arrogant for wanting healthcare.

1. I never mentioned healthcare, and was speaking more to the frustrating aspects of the Sanders fanbase, rather than any specific policy.

2. Please don't NHS-shame me. I am fully aware of my privilege. The NHS gave me extra time with three of my grandparents before they died from cancer, and protected our family from significant economic strain. Moreover, my aunt is receiving hospice care right now, from some of the most admirable people in the country. We are blessed, and I will never forget that.

However.

I'm a pragmatist. I believe that the best way to expand healthcare is to elect a democratic trifecta, and I believe Joe Biden had the best chance of uniting the party to pursue that outcome.

You can't go from the US model to the NHS overnight, not in a country with a system like the USA. Obviously it's not my place to tell you how to do it, but to imagine that you can just create a single-payer system in the space between 2020 and 2022 feels like a stretch.

Moderats to LBJ in 1964:

"You can't sign this civil rights bill overnight, not in a country like the USA. You can't just automatically create full civil rights between now and 1968."

Um, not comparable.

The Jim Crow laws of the South were mostly a social order/system. The current United States healthcare system is a major part of our country's ECONOMIC system.

You can't just simply overhaul that overnight. It has to be a gradual process.

And if anything Civil Rights was a slow process (maybe a bit too slow) that openly entered mainstream politics with the Civil Rights plank in 1948. The fact that the job is perpetually unfinished suggests that the battle for equality won't be complete for a long time.

[Heebie Jeebie]

The Post still has Warren as the best non-Harris pick:

I'd like to add it's not just about what percentage of people say they'll support Biden, but enthusiasm for the ticket from those who supported a more progressive candidate and how genuine Biden's policy proposals (in which there are things for progressives to like) are seen. With Warren on the ticket, it definitely adds credibility to the notion that he'll actually try to do the things he lists.

The problem is that Warren would motivate the right more than she would the left.

The right is going to be super motivated no matter what.

Have you seen the national polling?  A lot of the right/center-right don't currently seem very motivated to vote against Biden, but it's easy to imagine then enthused to vote against Warren.

The types that would be enthused against Warren are going to come out for Trump regardless. Any woman Biden picks will be relentlessly demonized and you're naive if you're not counting on that.

And I'd say you're being naive if you think Warren doesn't occupy a special place in the right's fevered dreams (along with Sanders and the squad).

[Beet]

The Post still has Warren as the best non-Harris pick:

I'd like to add it's not just about what percentage of people say they'll support Biden, but enthusiasm for the ticket from those who supported a more progressive candidate and how genuine Biden's policy proposals (in which there are things for progressives to like) are seen. With Warren on the ticket, it definitely adds credibility to the notion that he'll actually try to do the things he lists.

The problem is that Warren would motivate the right more than she would the left.

The right is going to be super motivated no matter what.

Have you seen the national polling?  A lot of the right/center-right don't currently seem very motivated to vote against Biden, but it's easy to imagine then enthused to vote against Warren.

The types that would be enthused against Warren are going to come out for Trump regardless. Any woman Biden picks will be relentlessly demonized and you're naive if you're not counting on that.

And I'd say you're being naive if you think Warren doesn't occupy a special place in the right's fevered dreams (along with Sanders and the squad).

She (and they) do now because they are more known. But if you think a different woman Biden picks will be treated like him (an old white guy) you're naive.