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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2018, 03:04:02 AM »

Laura Kelly, JBE, Dan Lipinski, Henry Cuellar, Tim Walz, Joe Manchin, Jon Tester, Ralph Northam, Jim Hood, Jim Costa, Josh Gottheimer, Jim Cooper, and a long list of others.
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2018, 12:17:20 AM »

In absolute, ideological terms, yes, a ton.  Maybe even most.

But in relative terms, both parties are very homogeneous today, so relative to today's political spectrum, no, not really.  Though there are many more Democrats that vote with Trump half the time than Republicans.
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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2019, 12:14:02 AM »

There are very few mavericks, moderates and ideological independents on both sides nowadays compared to the 20th century. Most members of congress are just partisan foot soldiers.
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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2019, 08:35:07 AM »

Seriously seems like every Democrat (at least the ones I've seen are) have drifted far left on everything

There are lot of them, but, regretfully - less and less among Democratic officeholders.
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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2019, 11:46:06 AM »

Virtually zero on cultural/social issues (JBE is probably the only genuine moderate I can think of).
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« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2019, 11:49:35 AM »

Virtually zero on cultural/social issues (JBE is probably the only genuine moderate I can think of).

Dan Lipinski, Collin Peterson, Jeff Van Drew, Ben McAdams
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« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2019, 11:49:36 AM »

Is this a joke thread? Centrists and neoliberals are, unfortunately, still very much alive and well in the Party. Just look at the DNC chair, for starters.
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« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2019, 12:13:12 PM »

Yes, the majority of elected Democrats are still neoliberals.

This will (hopefully) change pretty soon though, with the rise of AOC, Omar, Sanders, etc.
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« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2019, 12:17:38 PM »

Currently the Democratic Party happens to litmus-test much more on cultural/social issues than on economic ones, so there are plenty of Democrats who are moderate on issues like taxation and healthcare, sometimes even right-of-center on issues like public education.
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« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2019, 03:26:33 PM »

Is this a joke thread? Centrists and neoliberals are, unfortunately, still very much alive and well in the Party. Just look at the DNC chair, for starters.
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« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2019, 04:00:48 PM »

Yes

Joe Manchin, Kyrsten Sinema, Collin Peterson, Jeff Van Drew, Henry Cuellar, John Bel Edwards, Jim Hood

Just to name a few
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« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2019, 04:38:47 PM »

Manchin and Sinema
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« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2019, 04:43:05 PM »

Currently the Democratic Party happens to litmus-test much more on cultural/social issues than on economic ones, so there are plenty of Democrats who are moderate on issues like taxation and healthcare, sometimes even right-of-center on issues like public education.
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« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2019, 05:07:59 PM »

Define "moderate."
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« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2019, 08:10:32 PM »

More proof that progressives don't know what they're saying when they say neoliberal. Moderate does not mean neoliberal. Actually look up what neoliberalism is, almost nobody in American politics is one.
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« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2019, 12:41:45 AM »

Checking in.....

Also, New Democrats and Blue Dogs combined outnumber the Progressive Caucus.  The New Democrats alone number about a hundred in the House, their highest ever since their formation nearly a generation ago.  
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« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2019, 12:54:30 AM »

Theres no reason for Democrats to fake being moderate anymore since it doesnt help them get elected
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« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2019, 10:55:17 AM »

Checking in.....

Also, New Democrats and Blue Dogs combined outnumber the Progressive Caucus.  The New Democrats alone number about a hundred in the House, their highest ever since their formation nearly a generation ago.  
Being apart of the New Democrat Caucus doesn't mean that they are "moderate" or "neoliberal". Some members of the New New Democrat Caucus are also members of the Progressive Caucus.
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« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2019, 11:13:19 AM »

Checking in.....

Also, New Democrats and Blue Dogs combined outnumber the Progressive Caucus.  The New Democrats alone number about a hundred in the House, their highest ever since their formation nearly a generation ago.  
Being apart of the New Democrat Caucus doesn't mean that they are "moderate" or "neoliberal". Some members of the New New Democrat Caucus are also members of the Progressive Caucus.

That simply shows that the Progressive Caucus isn't really progressive and nothing more. If they were truly progressive they would banish all New Democrats.
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« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2019, 11:15:39 AM »

Checking in.....

Also, New Democrats and Blue Dogs combined outnumber the Progressive Caucus.  The New Democrats alone number about a hundred in the House, their highest ever since their formation nearly a generation ago.  
Being apart of the New Democrat Caucus doesn't mean that they are "moderate" or "neoliberal". Some members of the New New Democrat Caucus are also members of the Progressive Caucus.

That simply shows that the Progressive Caucus isn't really progressive and nothing more. If they were truly progressive they would banish all New Democrats.
No, it simply shows that being a New Democrat in the 2010s doesn't mean what it did in the 1990s. Pretty much all New Democrats are center-left to just being left wing. The Blue Dog Caucus is where the actual moderates and "neoliberals" are (for the most part).
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« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2019, 01:36:17 PM »

Checking in.....

Also, New Democrats and Blue Dogs combined outnumber the Progressive Caucus.  The New Democrats alone number about a hundred in the House, their highest ever since their formation nearly a generation ago.  
Being apart of the New Democrat Caucus doesn't mean that they are "moderate" or "neoliberal". Some members of the New New Democrat Caucus are also members of the Progressive Caucus.

That simply shows that the Progressive Caucus isn't really progressive and nothing more. If they were truly progressive they would banish all New Democrats.
No, it simply shows that being a New Democrat in the 2010s doesn't mean what it did in the 1990s. Pretty much all New Democrats are center-left to just being left wing. The Blue Dog Caucus is where the actual moderates and "neoliberals" are (for the most part).

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on our definitions on who or who doesn't qualify as a 'moderate'.  To me, anyone who affiliates themselves with the New Democrat Coalition (and that includes center-leftists like my congressman Don Beyer) qualifies as moderate even if they also are members of the Progressive Caucus. 
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« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2019, 05:41:37 AM »

Theres no reason for Democrats to fake being moderate anymore since it doesnt help them get elected

Tell that to JBE or Jim Hood...
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« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2019, 05:43:27 AM »

Checking in.....

Also, New Democrats and Blue Dogs combined outnumber the Progressive Caucus.  The New Democrats alone number about a hundred in the House, their highest ever since their formation nearly a generation ago.  
Being apart of the New Democrat Caucus doesn't mean that they are "moderate" or "neoliberal". Some members of the New New Democrat Caucus are also members of the Progressive Caucus.

That simply shows that the Progressive Caucus isn't really progressive and nothing more. If they were truly progressive they would banish all New Democrats.
No, it simply shows that being a New Democrat in the 2010s doesn't mean what it did in the 1990s. Pretty much all New Democrats are center-left to just being left wing. The Blue Dog Caucus is where the actual moderates and "neoliberals" are (for the most part).

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on our definitions on who or who doesn't qualify as a 'moderate'.  To me, anyone who affiliates themselves with the New Democrat Coalition (and that includes center-leftists like my congressman Don Beyer) qualifies as moderate even if they also are members of the Progressive Caucus. 

For me - surely no. Don Beyer is pragmatic liberal, not a moderate. Sinema, Peterson, McAdams, JBE, Jim Hood are moderates.
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« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2019, 09:26:43 PM »

Of course there are. There may be less of them than ever but there are still way more Democratic moderates than Republican moderates, who are about as rare as a Bigfoot-Loch Ness Monster-Unicorn.
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« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2019, 12:46:54 AM »

Of course there are. There may be less of them than ever but there are still way more Democratic moderates than Republican moderates, who are about as rare as a Bigfoot-Loch Ness Monster-Unicorn.

Agree. Republicans were much more stubborn in their idiotic desire to get rid of moderates (gosh, there were even liberals in party in the past....), then Democrats. But now Democrats are infected with the same decease, and demonstrate similar level of idiotism....
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