The BlueSwan Basement of Absurd & Ignorant Posts VIII

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

James did respectable against MI institution Stabenow in a D+7 wave year. Against bland and relatively quiet Gary Peters in a very close presidential race, he could pull it out

Stabenow is not a Michigan institution (or anywhere close, for that matter).  She’s a lowkey generic D who barely campaigned.

Someone who has been in office since 2000, and regularly wins in landslides is not an institution

Correct, Carl Levin was an institution.  Stabenow is no more an institution in Michigan than Sheldon Whitehouse is in Rhode Island or Rob Portman is in Ohio.

Senator Ted Strickland agrees

The fact that you think that’s why Strickland lost just shows how little you know about Ohio politics.  Also, nobody here even knows who Portman is (his name recognition is about 28% IIRC).

Strickland won in a democratic election. Democracy is an institution. Therefore Strickland is an institution.

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James did respectable against MI institution Stabenow in a D+7 wave year. Against bland and relatively quiet Gary Peters in a very close presidential race, he could pull it out

Stabenow is not a Michigan institution (or anywhere close, for that matter).  She’s a lowkey generic D who barely campaigned.

Someone who has been in office since 2000, and regularly wins in landslides is not an institution

Correct, Carl Levin was an institution.  Stabenow is no more an institution in Michigan than Sheldon Whitehouse is in Rhode Island or Rob Portman is in Ohio.

Senator Ted Strickland agrees

The fact that you think that’s why Strickland lost just shows how little you know about Ohio politics.  Also, nobody here even knows who Portman is (his name recognition is about 28% IIRC).

Ted Strickland's once promising campaign fell apart, but let's not act like he was a very weak candidate, and that Nina Turner, would have done better than him, ultimately his tenure as governor, had flaws, such as the Rainy Day Fund, and Portman was seen as a popular moderate, linked to Kasich, who OH Reps still loved. All in all, Rob Portman's strength was one of the many factors in Strickland's undoing

[Xeuma]

James did respectable against MI institution Stabenow in a D+7 wave year. Against bland and relatively quiet Gary Peters in a very close presidential race, he could pull it out

Stabenow is not a Michigan institution (or anywhere close, for that matter).  She’s a lowkey generic D who barely campaigned.

Someone who has been in office since 2000, and regularly wins in landslides is not an institution

Correct, Carl Levin was an institution.  Stabenow is no more an institution in Michigan than Sheldon Whitehouse is in Rhode Island or Rob Portman is in Ohio.

Senator Ted Strickland agrees

The fact that you think that’s why Strickland lost just shows how little you know about Ohio politics.  Also, nobody here even knows who Portman is (his name recognition is about 28% IIRC).

Ted Strickland's once promising campaign fell apart, but let's not act like he was a very weak candidate, and that Nina Turner, would have done better than him, ultimately his tenure as governor, had flaws, such as the Rainy Day Fund, and Portman was seen as a popular moderate, linked to Kasich, who OH Reps still loved. All in all, Rob Portman's strength was one of the many factors in Strickland's undoing

Uhh... what? Posting directly in the thread.

[Sestak]

Williams-Bad, but more ignorant than evil.
Akin-Needs a biology class.
Santorum-Insensitive, but not malicious. People should at least find a way to make the best of things regardless of what happens to them, if it's possible at all.
Mourdock-From a religious perspective it almost makes sense. Some religious people believe that everyone is brought to earth by God, and he is taking that belief to its natural conclusions.
Laubenburg-Is just stating a fact. Facts don't care about your feelings
Lockman-Is something an actual rapist or rape apologist would say. My vote.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

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Ted Strickland's once promising campaign fell apart

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True

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but let's not act like he was a very weak candidate

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Actually, he turned out to be precisely that both for reasons no one could have foreseen at the time (which I'm not going to get into here) and more readily apparent reasons like taking certain union endorsements for granted, a failure to define the [still] largely anonymous Portman early in the campaign or even push back against anti-Strickland attacks until the last month or so of the campaign by which point it didn't matter, and some unforced errors like a sloppy race-baiting ad, not putting in the work when it came to fundraising (especially early in the campaign), poor African-American voter outreach (which, incidentally, is the same reason Cordrey and him lost in 2010), etc.

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Nina Turner, would have done better than him
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No one said or implied that in any way shape or form.  This is basically what you sound like here: "sure, David Vitter's once promising campaign fell apart, but lets not act like he was a very weak candidate, and that David Duke would have done better than him."

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ultimately his tenure as governor, had flaws, such as the Rainy Day Fund,

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Sure, but that's not why Strickland lost either and his tenure as Governor was probably a small net positive with voters overall.

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Portman was seen as a
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Portman wasn't seen as anything.  No one knew who he was to the point that it was practically an open seat with regard to name ID.  He's still pretty anonymous IIRC.

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Portman was seen as a popular

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Again, no one knew who he was and he has never been particularly popular or unpopular as a result.

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Portman was seen as a popular moderate
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Setting aside the fact that Portman's name ID was so low that no one knew who he was, he's never been regarded as particularly moderate so much as generic R (which is not moderate and certainly wasn't regarded as such in 2016). 

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linked to Kasich

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They were part of the same wing of the party, but were never really linked in the public mind largely due to Portman's anonymity.

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Kasich, who OH Reps still loved.
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While Kasich didn't become truly toxic with Ohio Republicans until election day, by the time of the conventions he'd already become a very polarizing figure among rank-and-file Ohio Republicans. 

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 All in all, Rob Portman's strength was one of the many factors in Strickland's undoing

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Rob Portman was not (and to a somewhat lesser degree still isn't) a strong incumbent.  Not a weak one either per se, but definitely not a particularly strong one.  He's just kinda there.  He may well be one of the most anonymous Senators in America and if he isn't, he certainly was circa 2015-2016.  You're correct though that there are many different factors which contributed to Strickland's defeat.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

THIS IS WHAT WE FEARED, THE PALE-FACE IS A DEMON

It wouldn't shock me if this was true.  It also wouldn't shock me if some America-Hating type made up the story and America-Hating snot noses just choose to believe the negative account uncritically.

Click for context.

[Joe Biden 2024]

Most of the Atlas Experience makes me wonder how may posters we have here who secretly hate America, want it to fail, and work for it to fail because their real allegiance is to the enemies of America.

I can wonder about secret agendas as well as you can.  The people here who hate America are smart enough to overtly deny it, but they give up the ghost with their posts.

Click for context.

[S019]

With Biden as the nominee this can be the result: I do believe in the wave:

This might be the worst map, I've seen in this site. Try to make sense of it.

[Sestak]

With Biden as the nominee this can be the result: I do believe in the wave:

This might be the worst map, I've seen in this site. Try to make sense of it.

So wait. The map has Dems gaining AZ, CO, TX, GA. Maybe there are parts of it you can ridicule (e.g. AL) but it's far from the worst I've seen. Why does it belong in here again?

[S019]

With Biden as the nominee this can be the result: I do believe in the wave:

This might be the worst map, I've seen in this site. Try to make sense of it.

So wait. The map has Dems gaining AZ, CO, TX, GA. Maybe there are parts of it you can ridicule (e.g. AL) but it's far from the worst I've seen. Why does it belong in here again?

TX before NC is laughable

Also AL being more Democratic than GA, NC, ME, or IA

Also rating AZ and MI as Safe D

TX and AL as Likely D


This map is terrible

[Politician]

Biden will win all 50 states

In fact, no state will be within 5 points

Bernie Sanders is a sack of dung

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Wait there's a literal white supremacist on Atlas? Wtf

It makes you wonder how many other posters we have who share the same views but are more secretive about them.

Most of the Atlas Experience makes me wonder how may posters we have here who secretly hate America, want it to fail, and work for it to fail because their real allegiance is to the enemies of America.

I can wonder about secret agendas as well as you can.  The people here who hate America are smart enough to overtly deny it, but they give up the ghost with their posts.

Shut up.

Putting white supremacy and whatever dumb sh**t you think constitutes as "hating America" on the same moral plane is vile even for you.

Sorry, but I won't shut up.  Indeed, telling me to shut up is a sign that I've successfully disrupted the Echo Chamber, and that I'm on the right track.

People act here as if, somehow, being "racist" (and some people have incredibly self-serving definitions as to what this is) is the only thing that makes you an HP.

Everyone people here don't like get compared to Hitler here.  (Well, not all, but quite a few.)  But we don't seem to compare someone to Stalin or Mao.  These people killed millions to, not in the name of racism, but in the name of politics and cultural conformity.  

In February, 1957, one month after I was born, Mao Zedong said this:

"Letting a hundred flowers blossom and a hundred schools of thought contend is the policy for promoting progress in the arts and the sciences and a flourishing socialist culture in our land."

That when I was one (1) month old.  Later on, when I was 9, and just beginning to watch news on TV, I would see reports of Mao's Cultural Revolution, where Mao was imprisoning and killing his enemies.  That statement he made was a statement to lure his enemies into the open so he could arrest them and imprison or kill them.

Then, there's Stalin, the world leader who is responsible for more deaths than Hitler.  To be "fair" (for lack of a better word; neither Hitler nor Stalin deserve fairness), Stalin had far more time to work at this than Hitler did.  (Hitler's reign of terror lasted 12 years, while Stalin ruled the Soviet Union for 39 years.)  He WAS our WWII ally, an alliance that led to the end of the Good War and the beginning of the Terrible Peace, and his atrocities were whitewashed over, for the sake of holding our collective vomit down while defeating the more present foes (Germany and Japan); that should not obscure what he was, what he did, and why he did it.

Lenin, himself, said:  "The goal of socialism is communism."  And Stalin's massacre of the Kulaks was part of reaching that goal by collectivizing agriculture.  It wasn't "racist".  Indeed, there is amazingly little to show Stalin as being "racist", or even anti-Semitic (in a nation with a long history of anti-Semitism and Pogroms).  Of course, Stalin did engage in a 13 year anti-religious campaign (during the time of his bloody purges and oppression of the Kulaks); that was aimed in part at Jews, but in another part at the Russian Orthodox Church.  During the period of 1927-40, the number of Russian Orthodox Churches decreased from almost 29,600 to under 500 (you read that right).  That's in the Russian Republic alone, and did not include the other republics of the Soviet union.  And while that may give the anti-religious left on Atlas cause to cheer, I suppose that even they understand the ominousness of such a development of history.

People SHOULD be alarmed at people who make a career of exacerbating ethnic and racial hatreds.  It is something that is un-Christian and un-American.  Romans 12:13 says:  "“If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.”  That's the key to living a Christian life; the understanding that doing so is not dependent on one participating in rituals, observing dietary laws, etc.  Keeping Faith with Christ requires no one else to go along.  Biblical Christianity has NEVER demanded that persons reject people of other races and ethnicities and live within one's own group; indeed, Christ commissioned his Disciples to "Go ye, therefore, into all the world and preach this Gospel to every creature . . ."  Scripture has, over and over, said:  "Love one another as I have loved you." (John 13:34)  "Love your enemies; bless those who curse you." (Matthew 5:44)  "Beloved, let us love one another.  For Love is of God, and everyone that loveth is born of God and knoweth God.  He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is Love."  (1 John 4:7-8)  One can go on and on about this.  And Matthew27, if he claims to be a Christian, at a minimum needs to repent and allow for correction, for his stated views place him in a pretty bad place, Biblically.  

But in saying this, what correction is needed for the Communist that hates America and wishes it ill?  The Communist whose secret agenda is religious persecution of Americans, and of religious people all over?  The Nazis and Fascists made appeals to working classes, acknowledging their sufferings and promising redress, but the Bolsheviks did also; Marx, himself, said that religion was "the opium of the people".  The Apostle James said:  "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."  (James 1:27)  Matthew27 has that choice, but, quite frankly, so do you and I.  This is what the Bolsheviks sought to openly destroy in the Soviet Union, and it is what American Communists today still wish to destroy.  Democracy is a mere means to their ends; the majority of Communist parties in Eastern Europe came to power through free elections after WWII.

I'm all for Resisting the False Song of Fascism, and I'm all for those who run the Forum dealing appropriately with persons who use this forum to express what is unquestionable overt racist sentiment (of any kind, including racially-based hostility of non-whites toward whites as well as anti-black, anti-Hispanic, and anti-nonwhite minority sentiments) but I'm also for Resisting the False Song of Bolshevism as well, and I'm not going to pretend that THAT false song isn't sung on Atlas, either.  THAT false song led to the massacre of Kulaks in the 1920s.  I'll leave it to the reader to conclude as to why this story is barely known in today's Information Age America.    

This is just an embarrassingly bad post on pretty much every level. 

[Xing]

With Biden as the nominee this can be the result: I do believe in the wave:

This might be the worst map, I've seen in this site. Try to make sense of it.

OC posted it. There, now it makes sense.

[Badger]

But most importantly, IQ is by no means scientific and actually is kinda racist if you ask most contemporary psychologists.

Lol, it's not scientific.  Intelligence is not a linear concept, much as the pseudointellectual right (and racists) would like you to believe.

You may have a little point, but there is no way theoretically or literally that an IQ test could be racist.

Sure, IQ tests aren't inherently racist.  Neither is the SAT, which was invented by a known eugenicist and instrumental in promoting federal anti-immigration legislation in the 1920's.

"This thing, which is not racist, is tangentially similar to this unrelated thing, which is racist. Therefore, both are racist."

The surely cannot be said about all posters who have qualms about Benny Matthew 27, as some do so over Free Speech concerns or whether or not he might eventually be redeemable. The paragraph that said, with those caveats noted, it's little surprise based on this dude's hosting history that he is among Matthew 27 strongest Defenders for apparently...."other reasons".

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Pittsburgh and Philadelphia areas are solid GOP and obviously, Biden will improve on Hilary's performance, by winning the areas Wolf won, Central PA is obviously, R country.

Please tell me in what universe a Democrat wins PA by 15, while losing Pittsburgh and Philadelphia


Or tell me in what universe a Democrat loses Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, period, against Trump

[Politician]

Except for MS.  I would put it a lot higher.  It was third on this list in 2016, and is only going to become more D over time; in fact, it is destined to flip D at some point.  I just can't see it behind a state like KS- and yes, I do understand KS is trending D and worth keeping an eye on.  But there's a much different dynamic at work there.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Except for MS.  I would put it a lot higher.  It was third on this list in 2016, and is only going to become more D over time; in fact, it is destined to flip D at some point.  I just can't see it behind a state like KS- and yes, I do understand KS is trending D and worth keeping an eye on.  But there's a much different dynamic at work there.

Mississippi will become majority black eventually at current trends, so not that insane of a prognosis.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The election : 2016 easily

The year: 2006 pretty easily


The whole 2000s are probably the most Conservative Decade we have had since the 1920s

The 1980s too were so conservative with the Reagan Revolution, Theresa May in the United Kingdom and Brian Mulroney in Canada, notably.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The election : 2016 easily

The year: 2006 pretty easily


The whole 2000s are probably the most Conservative Decade we have had since the 1920s

The 1980s too were so conservative with the Reagan Revolution, Theresa May in the United Kingdom and Brian Mulroney in Canada, notably.

wtf

[Vespucci]

The election : 2016 easily

The year: 2006 pretty easily


The whole 2000s are probably the most Conservative Decade we have had since the 1920s

The 1980s too were so conservative with the Reagan Revolution, Theresa May in the United Kingdom and Brian Mulroney in Canada, notably.

wtf

RIP Theresa May (1925-2013)

[Grassroots]

The election : 2016 easily

The year: 2006 pretty easily


The whole 2000s are probably the most Conservative Decade we have had since the 1920s

The 1980s too were so conservative with the Reagan Revolution, Theresa May in the United Kingdom and Brian Mulroney in Canada, notably.

I would say he just means Thatcher but I don't defend game-riggers.

[S019]

Lean to likely R

This county is to dems what Fort Bend County is to the GOP, it’s still winnable at the state level, with the good candidate and with the good climate, but at the presidential level it’s gone

Trump wins it 53/46

This thread is not for reasonable predictions thaat you disagree with it, it is for “Absurd and Ignorant” posts.

[Politician]

It makes me sad that Democrats are now the party of rich snobs in the OC and Darien CT, while losing places like Flint, Erie and Wilkes Barre. The party of Andrew Jackson is becoming the party of suburban Dallas billionaires.

Hillary Clinton won the cities of Flint, Erie, and Wilkes-Barre, for starters, and they voted for Democrats in the midterms by huge margins. In contrast, Chris Murphy actually lost Darien CT, Jim Times narrowly lost it and Ned Lamont was crushed in it by a Trumpist Republican (despite Lamont being from the southwest)

[YE]

What if Trump crossed 270 EV due to Nevada? Sisolak would be the Ralph Nader of 2020.

[S019]

Excellent!  Now the ball is in Madigan's court.

Hopefully he blocks it


He should do at least one good thing for Illinois, and that good thing is blocking marijuana access (which should be illegal nationwide)

It's funny because you're one of the people who could benefit from a joint the most.

Thinking that I would use a substance that should be illegal