Abraham Lincoln vs. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

[TDAS04]

FDR was great, but Lincoln was the greatest.

[RINO Tom]

Lincoln (R)

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Lincoln didn't do internment.

[Mr. Smith]

Not the Henry Clay fanboy.

[RaphaelDLG]

I don't know, they are both in the top 3 and are, despite both being racists and partially products of grassroots movements underneath them, absolute legends.  Voted Roosevelt but don't really feel good about my vote.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

[thumb21]

Roosevelt (I)

[😥]

Both was great

[Sir Mohamed]

FDR, best prez ever.

[dw93]

Both are great and I really don't have a preference.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

HAHAHAHAHA

[Blair]

'“Men will thank God on their knees a hundred years from now that Franklin D. Roosevelt was in the White House''

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

'“Men will thank God on their knees a hundred years from now that Franklin D. Roosevelt was in the White House''

Sounds like something a Trump supporter would say about him right now.

[Blair]

'“Men will thank God on their knees a hundred years from now that Franklin D. Roosevelt was in the White House''

Sounds like something a Trump supporter would say about him right now.

Funnily enough it's a quote from the NYT obituary the day after FDR died.

[Yellowhammer]

Both were horrible, but if forced to pick, I’d say Roosevelt.

[RINO Tom]

Both were horrible, but if forced to pick, I’d say Roosevelt.

What was horrible about Lincoln in your view?  I assume you dislike Roosevelt because you hold conservative views, but that would be a hilariously misguided and simplistic reason to hate Lincoln, so I figure there must be something else.

[RaphaelDLG]

Both were horrible, but if forced to pick, I’d say Roosevelt.

What was horrible about Lincoln in your view?  I assume you dislike Roosevelt because you hold conservative views, but that would be a hilariously misguided and simplistic reason to hate Lincoln, so I figure there must be something else.

Muh executive power muh federal government muh civil liberties

[RINO Tom]

Both were horrible, but if forced to pick, I’d say Roosevelt.

What was horrible about Lincoln in your view?  I assume you dislike Roosevelt because you hold conservative views, but that would be a hilariously misguided and simplistic reason to hate Lincoln, so I figure there must be something else.

Muh executive power muh federal government muh civil liberties

I mean, I know what most of the historically illiterate buzz words for why he was a bad President will be, but I prefer people to have to explain themselves.

[Yellowhammer]

Both were horrible, but if forced to pick, I’d say Roosevelt.

What was horrible about Lincoln in your view?  I assume you dislike Roosevelt because you hold conservative views, but that would be a hilariously misguided and simplistic reason to hate Lincoln, so I figure there must be something else.

He was an autogenocidal authoritarian who carried out an illegal war intended to solidify and expand the federal government's power, and subjugate his political opposition.

Essentially, an American Pol Pot, just not quite as psychopathic and evil. He is the worst President in American history, and likely and hopefully will retain this distinction forever.

[RINO Tom]

Both were horrible, but if forced to pick, I’d say Roosevelt.

What was horrible about Lincoln in your view?  I assume you dislike Roosevelt because you hold conservative views, but that would be a hilariously misguided and simplistic reason to hate Lincoln, so I figure there must be something else.

He was an autogenocidal authoritarian who carried out an illegal war intended to solidify and expand the federal government's power, and subjugate his political opposition.

Essentially, an American Pol Pot, just not quite as psychopathic and evil. He is the worst President in American history, and likely and hopefully will retain this distinction forever.

1) How, exactly, was he an authoritarian?  He presided over an open rebellion against our American government, and he took his Constitutionally awarded executive abilities to try to save that country...

2) How was it an illegal war?  The Southern states committed straight treason and rebelled against their President because they didn't like the electoral outcome.  Even if you are going to try to ignore the CLEAR intention to keep enslaving human beings indefinitely by the South and the willingness on their part to fight to keep those people enslaved, the fact remains that they rebelled against the United States of America, and the President of the United States of America responded accordingly.

3) He is the worst President ever?  Can you explain what you like better about Buchanan?  Or Johnson?  Is it their sympathies to slaveholders, or...?

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Both were horrible, but if forced to pick, I’d say Roosevelt.

What was horrible about Lincoln in your view?  I assume you dislike Roosevelt because you hold conservative views, but that would be a hilariously misguided and simplistic reason to hate Lincoln, so I figure there must be something else.

He was an autogenocidal authoritarian who carried out an illegal war intended to solidify and expand the federal government's power, and subjugate his political opposition.

Essentially, an American Pol Pot, just not quite as psychopathic and evil. He is the worst President in American history, and likely and hopefully will retain this distinction forever.

This is your brain on libertarianism.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Both were horrible, but if forced to pick, I’d say Roosevelt.

What was horrible about Lincoln in your view?  I assume you dislike Roosevelt because you hold conservative views, but that would be a hilariously misguided and simplistic reason to hate Lincoln, so I figure there must be something else.

He was an autogenocidal authoritarian who carried out an illegal war intended to solidify and expand the federal government's power, and subjugate his political opposition.

Essentially, an American Pol Pot, just not quite as psychopathic and evil. He is the worst President in American history, and likely and hopefully will retain this distinction forever.

This is your brain on libertarianism.

Yeah I don't have that opinion of Lincoln. He did what he could with the circumstances given. FDR was much worse.

[Lechasseur]

Roosevelt

[Cassandra]

FDR's reputation is overrated. What positive, left reforms he instituted he did with his back against the wall. And they are all riddled with flaws which demonstrate his true personal nature. Consider that the FLSA (1938), which established a federal minimum wage, does not protect agricultural workers. Who, in FDR's time, were far more likely than the nation to be black. And then of course there is the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II. And the fact that his many "New Deal" programs did not actually, effectively end the Great Depression; it took a full employment program called World War II, and the succeeding post-War economic boom to do that.

Lincoln was also a flawed president, but he is not nearly (in my opinion) as overrated as FDR.

[Yellowhammer]

He was an autogenocidal authoritarian who carried out an illegal war intended to solidify and expand the federal government's power, and subjugate his political opposition.

Essentially, an American Pol Pot, just not quite as psychopathic and evil. He is the worst President in American history, and likely and hopefully will retain this distinction forever.

Clearly did not go far enough!

Was burning half the of South to the ground not "far enough?" Maybe his troops should've locked every town's inhabitants into the churches, farmhouses, and factories before they were burned. Maybe that would be far enough.