Justice Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearing *DISCUSSION AND LIVE COMMENTARY*

[ProudModerate2]

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[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

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The Classic 'Strongly Worded Statement'. She needs to get some guts and announce her opposition to Kavanaugh.

[Antonio the Sixth]

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The Classic 'Strongly Worded Statement'. She needs to get some guts and announce her opposition to Kavanaugh.

^^^^^

[Brittain33]

Do we agree that Grassley meant to DM that to Kavanaugh and tweeted it out by mistake?

[Alabama_Indy10]

I don’t think you can choose which day a hearing is in any type of court

1. This isn't a court

2. There is no rush. If Grassley feels like there is one, it's only because Senate Republicans are manufacturing it. No one forced them to pick a flawed nominee like Kavanaugh

3. They haven't been waiting around forever. What has it been? A week? And they are getting bent out of shape over that? Seriously?

He wasn’t really that flawed until like a week ago.

[Brittain33]

I don’t think you can choose which day a hearing is in any type of court

1. This isn't a court

2. There is no rush. If Grassley feels like there is one, it's only because Senate Republicans are manufacturing it. No one forced them to pick a flawed nominee like Kavanaugh

3. They haven't been waiting around forever. What has it been? A week? And they are getting bent out of shape over that? Seriously?

He wasn’t really that flawed until like a week ago.

McConnell warned Trump Kavanaugh would be the hardest person to confirm, even if everyone assumed (and may still be correct) that party loyalty is enough to get him through. He had that track record of perviness on the Starr team and the perjury about his role in receiving stolen Democratic files. They could have chosen someone who didn't have a track record as a political operative before becoming a judge.

[Alabama_Indy10]

I don’t think you can choose which day a hearing is in any type of court

1. This isn't a court

2. There is no rush. If Grassley feels like there is one, it's only because Senate Republicans are manufacturing it. No one forced them to pick a flawed nominee like Kavanaugh

3. They haven't been waiting around forever. What has it been? A week? And they are getting bent out of shape over that? Seriously?

He wasn’t really that flawed until like a week ago.

McConnell warned Trump Kavanaugh would be the hardest person to confirm, even if everyone assumed (and may still be correct) that party loyalty is enough to get him through. He had that track record of perviness on the Starr team and the perjury about his role in receiving stolen Democratic files. They could have chosen someone who didn't have a track record as a political operative before becoming a judge.

Right.. he would be harder to confirm because he has the longest paper trail. There was nothing like this in record.

[Brittain33]

I don’t think you can choose which day a hearing is in any type of court

1. This isn't a court

2. There is no rush. If Grassley feels like there is one, it's only because Senate Republicans are manufacturing it. No one forced them to pick a flawed nominee like Kavanaugh

3. They haven't been waiting around forever. What has it been? A week? And they are getting bent out of shape over that? Seriously?

He wasn’t really that flawed until like a week ago.

McConnell warned Trump Kavanaugh would be the hardest person to confirm, even if everyone assumed (and may still be correct) that party loyalty is enough to get him through. He had that track record of perviness on the Starr team and the perjury about his role in receiving stolen Democratic files. They could have chosen someone who didn't have a track record as a political operative before becoming a judge.

Right.. he would be harder to confirm because he has the longest paper trail. There was nothing like this in record.

I suppose it depends if you think Republicans were anticipating this or something similar coming out, and that's why they had the girls' basketball team show up and the letter from 65 women come together extremely quickly.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

For those of you that have never been in a band, most instruments are divided into 2-4 groups by skill, and this determines the difficulty of the part you are expected to play:

https://twitter.com/ChuckGrassley/status/1043348132657025025

This joke is incredibly cold.

I don't want to say too much while negotiations are still ongoing in case Grassley reads Atlas, but Grassley has lost respect with me over this. I didn't mind the Garland thing too much - he would have just been voted down on the floor (the filibuster still existed for SCOTUS in 2016), and honestly I'd rather just be told no at the door then go through a months-long process just to get voted down on national television. But this is something else entirely.

Why does he lose your respect here?  He seems to be doing his best to make a hearing happen in a timely manner and has offered many accommodations to try to get Ford to testify.   What do you want him to do differently?

Wouldn't exactly call "Wednesday or Bust" giving many accommodations.....

He's pushed the date back from Monday to Wednesday, offered to fly Senate staff out there to interview her if she didn't want to come to DC, has agreed to her requests regarding cameras and security etc.  But he wants to bring in lawyers including women to question her so that it's not just a bunch of Republican male Senators questioning her, he wants her to testify first before Kavanaugh, & he wants to get the confirmation vote done before the Court session that starts at the beginning of October.  And now, he's given her an extra day to decide whether she's willing to come in.   

[Brittain33]

https://twitter.com/davidgura/status/1043502571883761665

He may not be out of a job, just reassigned.

[OSR stands with Israel]

For those of you that have never been in a band, most instruments are divided into 2-4 groups by skill, and this determines the difficulty of the part you are expected to play:

https://twitter.com/ChuckGrassley/status/1043348132657025025

This joke is incredibly cold.

I don't want to say too much while negotiations are still ongoing in case Grassley reads Atlas, but Grassley has lost respect with me over this. I didn't mind the Garland thing too much - he would have just been voted down on the floor (the filibuster still existed for SCOTUS in 2016), and honestly I'd rather just be told no at the door then go through a months-long process just to get voted down on national television. But this is something else entirely.

Why does he lose your respect here?  He seems to be doing his best to make a hearing happen in a timely manner and has offered many accommodations to try to get Ford to testify.   What do you want him to do differently?

Wouldn't exactly call "Wednesday or Bust" giving many accommodations.....

He's pushed the date back from Monday to Wednesday, offered to fly Senate staff out there to interview her if she didn't want to come to DC, has agreed to her requests regarding cameras and security etc.  But he wants to bring in lawyers including women to question her so that it's not just a bunch of Republican male Senators questioning her, he wants her to testify first before Kavanaugh, & he wants to get the confirmation vote done before the Court session that starts at the beginning of October.  And now, he's given her an extra day to decide whether she's willing to come in.   

This

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I don’t think you can choose which day a hearing is in any type of court

1. This isn't a court

2. There is no rush. If Grassley feels like there is one, it's only because Senate Republicans are manufacturing it. No one forced them to pick a flawed nominee like Kavanaugh

3. They haven't been waiting around forever. What has it been? A week? And they are getting bent out of shape over that? Seriously?

He wasn’t really that flawed until like a week ago.

McConnell warned Trump Kavanaugh would be the hardest person to confirm, even if everyone assumed (and may still be correct) that party loyalty is enough to get him through. He had that track record of perviness on the Starr team and the perjury about his role in receiving stolen Democratic files. They could have chosen someone who didn't have a track record as a political operative before becoming a judge.

Right.. he would be harder to confirm because he has the longest paper trail. There was nothing like this in record.

I suppose it depends if you think Republicans were anticipating this or something similar coming out, and that's why they had the girls' basketball team show up and the letter from 65 women come together extremely quickly.

I'm sure the fact that Democrats have spent years trying to portray Republicans and conservative lawyers/judges as anti-woman has nothing to do with it.

[Brittain33]

I don’t think you can choose which day a hearing is in any type of court

1. This isn't a court

2. There is no rush. If Grassley feels like there is one, it's only because Senate Republicans are manufacturing it. No one forced them to pick a flawed nominee like Kavanaugh

3. They haven't been waiting around forever. What has it been? A week? And they are getting bent out of shape over that? Seriously?

He wasn’t really that flawed until like a week ago.

McConnell warned Trump Kavanaugh would be the hardest person to confirm, even if everyone assumed (and may still be correct) that party loyalty is enough to get him through. He had that track record of perviness on the Starr team and the perjury about his role in receiving stolen Democratic files. They could have chosen someone who didn't have a track record as a political operative before becoming a judge.

Right.. he would be harder to confirm because he has the longest paper trail. There was nothing like this in record.

I suppose it depends if you think Republicans were anticipating this or something similar coming out, and that's why they had the girls' basketball team show up and the letter from 65 women come together extremely quickly.

I'm sure the fact that Democrats have spent years trying to portray Republicans and conservative lawyers/judges as anti-woman has nothing to do with it.

shua, it's sadly been a self-portrait. Trump is the main painter.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I don’t think you can choose which day a hearing is in any type of court

1. This isn't a court

2. There is no rush. If Grassley feels like there is one, it's only because Senate Republicans are manufacturing it. No one forced them to pick a flawed nominee like Kavanaugh

3. They haven't been waiting around forever. What has it been? A week? And they are getting bent out of shape over that? Seriously?

He wasn’t really that flawed until like a week ago.

McConnell warned Trump Kavanaugh would be the hardest person to confirm, even if everyone assumed (and may still be correct) that party loyalty is enough to get him through. He had that track record of perviness on the Starr team and the perjury about his role in receiving stolen Democratic files. They could have chosen someone who didn't have a track record as a political operative before becoming a judge.

Right.. he would be harder to confirm because he has the longest paper trail. There was nothing like this in record.

I suppose it depends if you think Republicans were anticipating this or something similar coming out, and that's why they had the girls' basketball team show up and the letter from 65 women come together extremely quickly.

I'm sure the fact that Democrats have spent years trying to portray Republicans and conservative lawyers/judges as anti-woman has nothing to do with it.

shua, it's sadly been a self-portrait. Trump is the main painter.

The "War on Women" was trotted out against Mitt Romney with as much conviction as the Democrats were ever able to manage against Trump, and we have protesting cosplayers taken seriously when they warn that Mike Pence is the literal Taliban.  Whatever certain Republicans have done to deserve being called anti-woman, you can't blame other Republicans for trying to preemptively disassociate themselves from the label as though it's evidence of something nefarious.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/1043568563569795072

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https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/1043568563569795072

Bless

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Should add though there's still not a clear agreement about the specifics so this may not actually mean anything.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Should add though there's still not a clear agreement about the specifics so this may not actually mean anything.

I think at this point it's a near certainty that she will testify. 

[Brittain33]

Should add though there's still not a clear agreement about the specifics so this may not actually mean anything.

I think at this point it's a near certainty that she will testify. 

I half-expect her to appear on 60 minutes tomorrow night.

[brucejoel99]

Should add though there's still not a clear agreement about the specifics so this may not actually mean anything.

I think at this point it's a near certainty that she will testify. 

I half-expect her to appear on 60 minutes tomorrow night.

Nah, they (60 Minutes) would be hyping it up for all it's worth by now for the ratings

[Badger]

We know that is 2012, Kavanaugh was a public figure and that her family had dealing with Kavanaugh.

You really think she endeavored to determine if the judge in her mom's case (a routine proceeding to rubber stamp a deal made with a bank) happened to be related to someone she knew in high school?

JJ vs. Reality, Chapter 4327

[Badger]

I don’t think you can choose which day a hearing is in any type of court

1. This isn't a court

2. There is no rush. If Grassley feels like there is one, it's only because Senate Republicans are manufacturing it. No one forced them to pick a flawed nominee like Kavanaugh

3. They haven't been waiting around forever. What has it been? A week? And they are getting bent out of shape over that? Seriously?

He wasn’t really that flawed until like a week ago.

McConnell warned Trump Kavanaugh would be the hardest person to confirm, even if everyone assumed (and may still be correct) that party loyalty is enough to get him through. He had that track record of perviness on the Starr team and the perjury about his role in receiving stolen Democratic files. They could have chosen someone who didn't have a track record as a political operative before becoming a judge.

Right.. he would be harder to confirm because he has the longest paper trail. There was nothing like this in record.

I suppose it depends if you think Republicans were anticipating this or something similar coming out, and that's why they had the girls' basketball team show up and the letter from 65 women come together extremely quickly.

I'm sure the fact that Democrats have spent years trying to portray Republicans and conservative lawyers/judges as anti-woman has nothing to do with it.

shua, it's sadly been a self-portrait. Trump is the main painter.

The "War on Women" was trotted out against Mitt Romney with as much conviction as the Democrats were ever able to manage against Trump, and we have protesting cosplayers taken seriously when they warn that Mike Pence is the literal Taliban.  Whatever certain Republicans have done to deserve being called anti-woman, you can't blame other Republicans for trying to preemptively disassociate themselves from the label as though it's evidence of something nefarious.

Oh Shua. You crusty old contrarian. As if Trump hasn't been the poster child for sexism in it's most vicious rapey way, but the Republicans follow him as Dear Leader regardless.

The whole "it's the DEMOCRATS fault Kavanaugh is being accused of sexual assault!!!" thing is the most well documented thing here.

[Torie]

We are going down the road of getting personal again, and I can see that the sh*t is going to hit the fan again soon. What's a Mod to do? Am I going to have to deal with the same scenario every freaking day? Stop, just stop. This is a thread I cannot lock (given its importance, and if I did, another would pop up), so that tool is out. Maybe a round of mass infractions, and endure the multiple threads complaining about that, may be the only option soon. If I go in that direction, there will be a lot of post deletions above.  

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Enough with the personal attacks, get the civility back please. This is an official warning. As I said in the OP, I reserve the right as the OP to lock this temporarily to cool things down.

[7,052,770]

I'm sure that the people defending Kavanaugh would be just as forgiving of Hillary Clinton if she had used a private email server when she was 17 as well.

Only White men deserve second (and third, and fourth, and fifth) chances, don't you know?

Atlas lefties haven't criticized Keith Ellison for accusations of domestic violence and labeled him a woman beater.

But I guess accusations only matter when it's against a conservative white man.

What are you talking about? He was widely condemned here.

Ftghn has nothing but falsehoods and false equivalences to support 99% of her arguments.

But don't worry folks! She repeats the mantra "reasonable questions" in almost every one of her posts, so it MUST be so.

Try that again when we have a bunch of different threads about it like we do for Kavanaugh. Really, even one active thread regarding this since it's still an ongoing situation with Ellison.

And my questions on this thread had everything to do with the case based on what is known or what we should know before accusing someone of being a rapist. Just because you disagree doesn't mean it's unreasonable or invalid.

Get over your obsession and lay off the drunken talk-to-text posts.

I mean... you literally said, "Atlas lefties haven't criticized Keith Ellison..."

That's false. You don't get to be like "oh, uh, well it doesn't have as many threads as Kavanaugh has" and get off the hook.