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« on: July 10, 2018, 02:59:33 PM »
So long as you're white and right-wing; otherwise, you'll get fire-bombed!

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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2018, 03:04:30 PM »
White, right wing, and male...?

Okay, go ahead and do whatever you want
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2018, 03:20:27 PM »
Wait? I thought liberals hated federal control of land, eg trail of tears.
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2018, 03:23:26 PM »
Quote from: Reaganfan on July 10, 2018, 03:20:27 PM
Wait? I thought liberals hated federal control of land, eg trail of tears.

Do you really think that what happened in Oregon is comparable to the Trail of Tears?
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2018, 03:23:57 PM »
Quote from: Reaganfan on July 10, 2018, 03:20:27 PM
Wait? I thought liberals hated federal control of land, eg trail of tears.

I'm not going to say you're better than this, because you're really not, but still - don't do this.
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2018, 03:31:56 PM »
Quote from: Reaganfan on July 10, 2018, 03:20:27 PM
Wait? I thought liberals hated federal control of land, eg trail of tears.

I'm pretty it's not mainstream for liberals to be against National Wildlife Refuges.

You know, that whole "Climate Change is real, let's take care of the environment" thing?
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2018, 03:32:39 PM »
Quote from: slightlyburnttoast on July 10, 2018, 03:23:26 PM
Quote from: Reaganfan on July 10, 2018, 03:20:27 PM
Wait? I thought liberals hated federal control of land, eg trail of tears.

Do you really think that what happened in Oregon is comparable to the Trail of Tears?

To be fair, there was a ton of butt-hurt conservatives crying from sea to shining sea at the time over it.
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2018, 03:39:45 PM »
Quote from: Reaganfan on July 10, 2018, 03:20:27 PM
Wait? I thought liberals hated federal control of land, eg trail of tears.

Do you ... not hate the Trail of Tears?  LOL
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2018, 03:42:13 PM »
Trump doesn't care about the law.  He's made that clear.
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2018, 04:16:28 PM »
Quote from: Reaganfan on July 10, 2018, 03:20:27 PM
Wait? I thought liberals hated federal control of land, eg trail of tears.

Arson is a violent crime.
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2018, 07:00:59 PM »
There are many I'd have pardoned before those two.
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2018, 07:19:34 PM »
"Law and Order" doesn't mean its literal definition to Republicans. It means "one standard for us, another for everyone else." Trump encompasses that better than anyone.
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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2018, 08:54:35 PM »
How will this affect his standing with eastern Washington and Oregon
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2018, 09:12:35 PM »
Quote from: Progressive Pessimist on July 10, 2018, 07:19:34 PM
"Law and Order" doesn't mean its literal definition to Republicans. It means "one standard for us, another for everyone else." Trump encompasses that better than anyone.

To be fair, that's no different for liberals.  Each side advocates a more merciful approach for their own.
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2018, 09:43:39 PM »
Quote from: PSOL on July 10, 2018, 08:54:35 PM
How will this affect his standing with eastern Washington and Oregon

Trump's chances of winning either state have decreased from 0% to 0%.
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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2018, 09:50:20 PM »
Wow, who could have predicted this other than anyone who has read about the last president who had "law and order" as his core campaign message?
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2018, 10:43:20 PM »
« Edited: July 13, 2018, 08:09:24 PM by Badger »
Quote from: Fuzzy Bear on July 10, 2018, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: Progressive Pessimist on July 10, 2018, 07:19:34 PM
"Law and Order" doesn't mean its literal definition to Republicans. It means "one standard for us, another for everyone else." Trump encompasses that better than anyone.

To be fair, that's no different for liberals.  Each side advocates a more merciful approach for their own.

To be accurate, you have exactly zero empirical evidence for that.

You are implied that there is an ideological basis to Democratic pardons, as in supporting one's base. Was there stinking cronyism in Clinton's pardon process, sure. But ideology? The closest there is a pardon of weatherman 25 years after their crimes. Unlike D'Nish D'Souza, scooter Libby, and Joe again, there wasn't a host of the political base wanting "their team to beat the rap.
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2018, 10:48:59 PM »
Quote from: PSOL on July 10, 2018, 08:54:35 PM
How will this affect his standing with eastern Washington and Oregon

The Bundys certainly wore out their welcome in Burns in 2016, but I would still guess that figures like the Hammonds garner a lot of sympathy in these incredibly rural, ranch/cattle intensive areas with distrust of federal land managers and distaste for cosmopolitan cityfolk who run their state governments.

Quote from: Fuzzy Bear on July 10, 2018, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: Progressive Pessimist on July 10, 2018, 07:19:34 PM
"Law and Order" doesn't mean its literal definition to Republicans. It means "one standard for us, another for everyone else." Trump encompasses that better than anyone.

To be fair, that's no different for liberals.  Each side advocates a more merciful approach for their own.

Senator Franken and Representatives Conyers send their regards.
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2018, 10:35:48 PM »
Quote from: Badger on July 10, 2018, 10:43:20 PM
Quote from: Fuzzy Bear on July 10, 2018, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: Progressive Pessimist on July 10, 2018, 07:19:34 PM
"Law and Order" doesn't mean its literal definition to Republicans. It means "one standard for us, another for everyone else." Trump encompasses that better than anyone.

To be fair, that's no different for liberals.  Each side advocates a more merciful approach for their own.

To be accurate, you have exactly zero empirical evidence for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy

Wonder what you put on your Wheaties this morning?
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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2018, 11:04:12 PM »
Quote from: Reaganfan on July 10, 2018, 03:20:27 PM
Wait? I thought liberals hated federal control of land, eg trail of tears.
hot take
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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2018, 11:04:51 PM »
is there like a particular reason why donald did this lmfao
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2018, 11:47:57 PM »
Quote from: cvparty on July 11, 2018, 11:04:51 PM
is there like a particular reason why donald did this lmfao

My guess would be because their current sentences were the result of an appeal by the Obama Administration.
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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2018, 07:10:47 AM »
Quote from: Reaganfan on July 10, 2018, 03:20:27 PM
Wait? I thought liberals hated federal control of land, eg trail of tears.
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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2018, 08:02:50 AM »
Please don't feed the...
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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2018, 08:47:21 AM »
Also, the party of family values doesn't stand for family values.
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