NY-14: Goliath falls to OCASIO!

[Antonio the Sixth]

It's pretty amazing to actually have some good news for once.

[Antonio the Sixth]

This is wonderful. There might be hope for the Democratic Party after all.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Also, I caution Atlas on this. If you were to look on social media, it seems like AOC is going to win 80-20. No. DSA and leftists have swarmed around AOC, and most of them are white Brooklyn hipster dudes, not the actual electorate of NY-14 (that is not likely to be particularly well-informed). AOC has something like $300,000 on hand and hasn't even cut a TV ad. It would not particularly surprise me if she lost 70-30 despite the amount of hype for her. Crowley is not Dan Lipinski, by any stretch, and AOC is not Marie Newman in terms of institutional support and fundraising.

I hope this post gets through the mod review!

I'm so glad this made it through the mod review

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

I don't like this inverse tea-party that seems to be happening.

[SCNCmod]

I don't like this inverse tea-party that seems to be happening.

I think (and hope) the inverse tea-party phenomenon is less of a thing than some are making of it.  Ocasio-Cortez is a perfect fit for her district... just as Connor Lamb is a perfect fit for his district.  A successful Democratic party is one that truly has a big enough tent to allow and support Democrats that can win because they are the best fit for their district ... even if they don't see eye-to-eye on every issue.  ...A party who's members understand winning the war means losing some battles. 

I see it more as a case of- anytime you have a lot of enthusiasm in a party, you will have a lot more candidates running in primaries.  And the result is that, especially in districts with Representatives who have have been running unopposed for 14 years (as is the case with Joe Crowley),  some will lose to primary challengers who better reflect the views of that district.

[Sir Mohamed]

LAMAO!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011795883925663744

[International Brotherhood of Bernard]

I think this raises the possibility of Bernie becoming a Goldwater-esque figure: Someone who didn't win in their own time, but who portended things to come. I would expect many more figures like AOC entering Congress in the coming years and decades.

[OneJ]

Here's a another striking thing about AOC. She is yet another Democratic Socialist from the DSA to win like the candidates in Philly and Lee Carter, who are a few examples. Anyone has a guess as to why this small (but rapidly growing) organization is so successful?

[Grassroots]

Yes, because young latino people really are the champions of the WWC vote...

Your racism is showing.

How exactly? It's not to hard to understand that non-white neo-liberal politicians do not exactly turn on middle american white voters.

[7,052,770]

As if she wasn't extraordinary enough in every aspect imaginable, apparently she's the first Congressperson-elect to have an asteroid (23238 Ocasio-Cortez) named in her honor.

It seems incredibly unlikely that out of the 10s of thousands of asteroids out there, that none has ever been named after a member of Congress.

[Golden State Guy]

Yes, because young latino people really are the champions of the WWC vote...

Your racism is showing.

How exactly? It's not to hard to understand that non-white neo-liberal politicians do not exactly turn on middle american white voters.

Crowley is the literal definition of a neo-liberal.

[ON Progressive]

Yes, because young latino people really are the champions of the WWC vote...

Your racism is showing.

How exactly? It's not to hard to understand that non-white neo-liberal politicians do not exactly turn on middle american white voters.

Are you saying AOC is a neoliberal? She's a DSA member.

[Virginiá]

ICE should not be abolished just curtailed, a true shame what is happening to this party.

I dunno, I mean I'm all for maintaining a border and limits on immigration, but ICE was formed in 2003. It's not the end of the world if it were abolished. OTOH, even if they were abolished, their functions will just be folded into some other immigration/border-related agency - probably the CBP.

With that in mind, I'm not entirely sure why people are going after ICE like this. I mean, I'm not really a fan of them but even dissolving that agency wouldn't stop their mission.

[Oryxslayer]

Here's a another striking thing about AOC. She is yet another Democratic Socialist from the DSA to win like the candidates in Philly and Lee Carter, who are a few examples. Anyone has a guess as to why this small (but rapidly growing) organization is so successful?

Since Bernie it has kinda been a right of passage for Progressive outsiders to join the DSA.

[Donerail]

Here's a another striking thing about AOC. She is yet another Democratic Socialist from the DSA to win like the candidates in Philly and Lee Carter, who are a few examples. Anyone has a guess as to why this small (but rapidly growing) organization is so successful?

Since Bernie it has kinda been a right of passage for Progressive outsiders to join the DSA.

there are many reasons that explain the DSA's recent electoral success but the idea that joining an org with ~30k members is a "rite of passage for progressive outsiders" is not it.

[OneJ]

Yes, because young latino people really are the champions of the WWC vote...

Did she trigger you? #OwningtheRight

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

I think many young progressive Democrats like Ocasio-Cortez are slightly misguided when it comes to their political identity.

Ocasio-Cortez says that she's a "Democratic Socialist" and is a member of the DSA. However, her policies AREN'T democratic socialist...they are social democratic.

She's actually an advocate for social democracy NOT democratic socialism. It's a common mistake that many young progressives especially since Bernie's campaign have made.

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

LAMAO!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1011795883925663744

Well he did get one thing right: it was  "a big one that nobody y saw happening"

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

If we had a country full of Cortez's we'd be a third world country... too left!

[Sadader]

Ocasio-Cortez says that she's a "Democratic Socialist" and is a member of the DSA. However, her policies AREN'T democratic socialist...they are social democratic.

She's actually an advocate for social democracy NOT democratic socialism. It's a common mistake that many young progressives especially since Bernie's campaign have made.

"Social Democracy" and "Democratic Socialism" are etymologically identical terms that refer to building - You guessed it! - socialism by democratic means, with the two terms only differing in certain political contexts. I take no issue with using the Democratic Socialist moniker to describe the new wave of left-of-American Liberalism we've been seeing to varying extents of the past couple of years, given that the Social Democracy is a term absent in American political parlance and the main figure in the movement proudly refers to himself as the latter.

 literally no people anywhere seem to agree on what socialism is, but what do you actually think it is? because I fundamentally can’t see socdems and demsocs agreeing on goals at all, because, you know, the whole capitalism thing

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Ocasio-Cortez says that she's a "Democratic Socialist" and is a member of the DSA. However, her policies AREN'T democratic socialist...they are social democratic.

She's actually an advocate for social democracy NOT democratic socialism. It's a common mistake that many young progressives especially since Bernie's campaign have made.

"Social Democracy" and "Democratic Socialism" are etymologically identical terms that refer to building - You guessed it! - socialism by democratic means, with the two terms only differing in certain political contexts. I take no issue with using the Democratic Socialist moniker to describe the new wave of left-of-American Liberalism we've been seeing to varying extents of the past couple of years, given that the Social Democracy is a term absent in American political parlance and the main figure in the movement proudly refers to himself as the latter.

Anyway, as stated on the New Place, I fully expect AOC to be one of the most visible Congresspeople in the entire country in just a years time - Just imagine how many rambling midnight toilet tweets Trump will dedicate to her once she's actually in office?

No, democratic socialism is NOT social democracy.

In democratic socialism, there is NO private industry and virtually NO free market but there is a democracy unlike totalitarian socialist regimes like the USSR & Cuba.

In a social democracy, there IS private industry and a free market but there are a lot checks and regulations. Also, the government doesn't own everything and provides basic services to it's citizens like maternity/paternity leave and single payer, universal health-care.

I used to think that they were basically the same but they are not and we shouldn't be getting stuff like this confused. Especially in a country like America, where being a "socialist" is considered by many people to be the equivalent of supporting the Soviet Union and Venezuela.

[CookieDamage]

Anybody pushing the whole "we can't retake the Midwest on a platform of abolishing ICE" is a moron. AOC isn't running in Ohio or Iowa.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

If we had a country full of Cortez's we'd be a third world country... too left!

That's not true. Are Scandinavian countries "third world"?

The only position I disagree with her on is "abolishing ICE".

She's just advocating for policies similar to the New Deal. I fully support bringing back the New Deal coalition into the Democratic Party. The New Deal coalition is what made the Democratic Party great and the party of the working class/common man.

[MAINEiac4434]

Speechless. I have nothing to add except that this is awesome.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

If we had a country full of Cortez's we'd be a third world country... too left!

That's not true. Are Scandinavian countries "third world"?

The only position I disagree with her on is "abolishing ICE".

She's just advocating for policies similar to the New Deal. I fully support bringing back the New Deal coalition into the Democratic Party. The New Deal coalition is what made the Democratic Party great and the party of the working class/common man.

Dude, she is to the left of most scandinavians, she is borderline commie. Also, while we have problems, we are a much better place than Scandinavia.