Is refusing to have sex with trans people inherently transphobic?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but aren't you supposed to be "all liberal, all the time?"

"all liberal, all the time" really means "all center-left, all the time". I reject far left nonsense like communists, Putin and Maduro apologists, the crap jfern writes and Tumblr/Everyday Feminism gender politics just as I reject all centrist and right wing politics.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Refusing to have sex with anyone for any reason is always acceptable and anyone who says otherwise is an utter creep.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but aren't you supposed to be "all liberal, all the time?"

"all liberal, all the time" really means "all center-left, all the time". I reject far left nonsense like communists, Putin and Maduro apologists, the crap jfern writes and Tumblr/Everyday Feminism gender politics just as I reject all centrist and right wing politics.

But if non-binary stuff made its way into mainstream liberalism would you support it then?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but aren't you supposed to be "all liberal, all the time?"

"all liberal, all the time" really means "all center-left, all the time". I reject far left nonsense like communists, Putin and Maduro apologists, the crap jfern writes and Tumblr/Everyday Feminism gender politics just as I reject all centrist and right wing politics.

But if non-binary stuff made its way into mainstream liberalism would you support it then?

It's not really an issue of policy so it really doesn't matter.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Also I have no clue what the f[inks] an "enby" is and searching for it on one of my SJW music "scene" forums received zero hits.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Refusing to have sex with anyone for any reason is always acceptable and anyone who says otherwise is an utter creep.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Refusing to have sex with anyone for any reason is always acceptable and anyone who says otherwise is an utter creep.

Glad to see agreement that this site is in fact, full of utter creeps (because it is): https://everydayfeminism.com/2017/04/cissexist-say-never-date-trans

[IceSpear]

99% of all motives for it are entirely based on feeling that trans women(I've never seen someone attracted to men make this kind of statement about trans men) are disgusting because they're trans.

You're conflating not being attracted to something with finding it disgusting. I'm gay, not attracted to women in the least, but I don't find them disgusting. But if a transman still had boobs and/or a vagina it would be a huge turn off, since I am not attracted to female anatomy. Similarly, many straight guys aren't exactly hot and bothered by the thought of penises.

[Lechasseur]

Refusing to have sex with anyone for any reason is always acceptable and anyone who says otherwise is an utter creep.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

If you don't screw everyone you ever encounter, you're a bigot.
/sarcasm

How is this even a debate?

[catographer]

An individual trans person? No. "Trans people" in general? Yes.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Again BRTD, are you talking about pre or post ops?

[Lechasseur]

If you don't screw everyone you ever encounter, you're a bigot.
/sarcasm

How is this even a debate?

[Mercenary]

That anyone would vote yes is a good example of how loony SJW types can get.
Obviously the answer is no.

There is nothing ageist, sexist, transphobist, homophobic, etc about someone who wants to only have sex with someone of similar age and opposite bological sex that they find attractive. To say there is only takes away the meaning of those terms from when someone actually does.fall into one of those categories. It is like how people throw around authoritarian, communist, nazi, etx. It starts to lose the potency of its meaning which is unfortunate since there are certainly times when those terms apply.

[Middle-aged Europe]

No.

Refusing to let them serve in the military is though.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Why are we asking this question?

[Zinneke]

Refusing to have sex with anyone for any reason is always acceptable and anyone who says otherwise is an utter creep.

This.

Why are we asking this question?

I think BRTD has a disturbing obsession with trans issues.

[fhtagn]

Refusing to have sex with anyone for any reason is always acceptable and anyone who says otherwise is an utter creep.

[Cory]

No. Refusing to have sex with an unattractive woman is also not misogynist.

[world.execute(me)]

99% of all motives for it are entirely based on feeling that trans women(I've never seen someone attracted to men make this kind of statement about trans men) are disgusting because they're trans.

A lot of times it has to do with genitals (if the trans woman has not had the surgery, someone might not want to have sex with someone with a penis). I don't really see how that's transphobic.

Finding a penis to be not interesting isn't usually what it is, at least to the people shouting it out of a bullhorn.

No and the freakouts I've seen over that famous Brian Griffin puking clip I find pretty amusing.

Glad to see that transwomen being displayed as inherently disgusting freaks is amusing to you. That kind of s**t is part of many transphobic murders.

Uh, have you seen the episode in question?

An individual trans person? No. "Trans people" in general? Yes.

So are gays misogynistic for refusing to have sex with women?

Agree with Parrotguy. The same is true for straight men who refuse to have sex with gays. They're not automatically homophobic. That has simply something to do with personal preferences.

Equating a straight man refusing to have sex with a trans woman to a straight man refusing to have sex with a gay dude is pretty f**ked dude.

One refusing to have sex with someone they are not attracted to is "pretty f**ked"?

I really don't need to see it to know an episode of family guy is transphobic. Equating trans women to gay men is what's f##ked.

BTW I'm not saying that there are times you are obligated to have sex regardless of opinion, I'm saying that them being trans is a sh*tty reason to do it (like doing it because of race or being bi something).

[Cold War Liberal]

No.

Refusing to let them serve in the military is though.

^this,^

Refusing to have sex with anyone for any reason is always acceptable and anyone who says otherwise is an utter creep.

^this,^ and

99% of all motives for it are entirely based on feeling that trans women(I've never seen someone attracted to men make this kind of statement about trans men) are disgusting because they're trans.

You're conflating not being attracted to something with finding it disgusting. I'm gay, not attracted to women in the least, but I don't find them disgusting. But if a transman still had boobs and/or a vagina it would be a huge turn off, since I am not attracted to female anatomy. Similarly, many straight guys aren't exactly hot and bothered by the thought of penises.

^this^ all sum up my feelings on the topic.

[Sirius_]

I guess it kind of depends. Obviously anybody should have he right to refuse to have sex, as many have stated. But I believe the question is about outright refusing to ever have sex with trans people because they are trans, which could indeed be a sign of transphobia.

[Mr. Morden]

I don't control who I'm attracted to, but are there some classes of people who, if I'm not attracted to any of them, it must imply bigotry?  Is that the argument?  E.g., if I'm not attracted to any men, that's OK, but if I'm not attracted to any Russians, it must imply bigotry, because why would anyone not be attracted to any people of one national origin besides bigotry?  And not being attracted to any trans women is the equivalent of not being attracted to any Russians?  Is that the argument the "yes" voters are making?

That is, the refusal to have sex itself isn't transphobic, because if you're not attracted to someone then not having sex with them is perfectly rational....but the fact that you're not attracted to them in itself implies transphobia?  I'm guessing that's what the "yes" voters mean, because I can't see another way to read their argument.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Again BRTD, are you talking about pre or post ops?

This really doesn't matter.

[DavidB.]

Refusing to have sex with anyone for any reason is always acceptable and anyone who says otherwise is an utter creep.