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« Reply #525 on: November 02, 2017, 04:58:40 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbtUGsEIAkA
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« Reply #526 on: November 02, 2017, 05:43:30 PM »
Quote from: VirginiaModerate on November 02, 2017, 12:25:28 PM
CNN now reporting that Sessions's testimony is now under scrutiny. Good.

Like I said: We might have another Friday night resignation.
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« Reply #527 on: November 02, 2017, 05:53:10 PM »
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Quote from: VirginiaModerate on November 02, 2017, 12:25:28 PM
CNN now reporting that Sessions's testimony is now under scrutiny. Good.

Like I said: We might have another Friday night resignation.

Sen. Franken Demands Attorney General Jeff Sessions Explain Himself Amid New Trump-Russia Revelations
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« Reply #528 on: November 02, 2017, 07:16:14 PM »
I don't see anything proving Sessions perjured himself yet. Bringing up meetings and travelling to Russia might look shady but isn't proof of collusion.
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« Reply #529 on: November 02, 2017, 07:22:26 PM »
Quote from: Statilius the Epicurean on November 02, 2017, 07:16:14 PM
I don't see anything proving Sessions perjured himself yet. Bringing up meetings and travelling to Russia might look shady but isn't proof of collusion.

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« Reply #530 on: November 02, 2017, 07:26:10 PM »
Quote from: Statilius the Epicurean on November 02, 2017, 07:16:14 PM
I don't see anything proving Sessions perjured himself yet. Bringing up meetings and travelling to Russia might look shady but isn't proof of collusion.

This is what Sessions testified to Congress during his confirmation hearings:

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If Sessions was indeed aware of anyone in the campaign communicating with the Russian government -- which there now appears to be evidence of -- then his testimony above was a lie.  If he was under oath, it's perjury.  Even if not under oath, it would be a crime of lying to the federal government (USC 18:1001).
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« Reply #531 on: November 02, 2017, 07:28:34 PM »
Quote from: GeorgiaModerate on November 02, 2017, 07:26:10 PM
Quote from: Statilius the Epicurean on November 02, 2017, 07:16:14 PM
I don't see anything proving Sessions perjured himself yet. Bringing up meetings and travelling to Russia might look shady but isn't proof of collusion.

This is what Sessions testified to Congress during his confirmation hearings:

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If Sessions was indeed aware of anyone in the campaign communicating with the Russian government -- which there now appears to be evidence of -- then his testimony above was a lie.  If he was under oath, it's perjury.  Even if not under oath, it would be a crime of lying to the federal government (USC 18:1001).

I forgot he said communicate rather than collude.  Yeah, this is really bad for him.
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« Reply #532 on: November 03, 2017, 07:41:09 AM »
Quote from: Buh her emails! on November 02, 2017, 02:33:43 PM
This has been on my mind for the past few days....what if Donald himself is in the next round of indictments? What happens?

By Justice Department policy the President cannot be indicted. If Mueller somehow wins that internal battle and gets him indicted anyway, there would be a legal fight over whether it is Unconstitutional for a sitting President to face charges. It would probably go all the way to the Supreme Court.

If Mueller wants to indict Trump, he may be able to do it with a sealed indictment that is unsealed only when Trump is no longer President. He could also label him as an unindicted co-conspirator in another indictment, which may have a similar effect politically.

Quote from: GeorgiaModerate on November 02, 2017, 07:26:10 PM
If Sessions was indeed aware of anyone in the campaign communicating with the Russian government -- which there now appears to be evidence of -- then his testimony above was a lie.  If he was under oath, it's perjury.  Even if not under oath, it would be a crime of lying to the federal government (USC 18:1001).

I believe he was under oath for that.
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« Reply #533 on: November 03, 2017, 07:57:06 AM »
Best name yet for the whole Russia affair: TRUSSIA https://twitter.com/skulesa9527/status/926247188274933760
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« Reply #534 on: November 03, 2017, 01:31:28 PM »
Perhaps Trump will use Session's perjury as an excuse to fire him? He seems increasingly keen to do so.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/03/trump-slams-sessions-doj-for-not-going-after-clinton-dnc.html
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« Reply #535 on: November 03, 2017, 01:43:58 PM »
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Just in time to get rolling before the midterms.
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« Reply #536 on: November 03, 2017, 02:39:30 PM »
Anyone else seeing chatter that vin weber might be going down?

Would be really disappointing to see a once respectable politician go down.
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« Reply #537 on: November 03, 2017, 02:42:05 PM »
Quote from: marty on November 03, 2017, 02:39:30 PM
Anyone else seeing chatter that vin weber might be going down?

Would be really disappointing to see a once respectable politician go down.

There's this: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mueller-probe-draws-in-tony-podesta-vin-weber-ap/
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« Reply #538 on: November 03, 2017, 04:06:53 PM »
Three Representatives, including fan favorite Louie Gohmert, are trying to get rid of Mueller with some kind of symbolic resolution.
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« Reply #539 on: November 03, 2017, 04:12:52 PM »
Quote from: GeorgiaModerate on November 03, 2017, 02:42:05 PM
Quote from: marty on November 03, 2017, 02:39:30 PM
Anyone else seeing chatter that vin weber might be going down?

Would be really disappointing to see a once respectable politician go down.

There's this: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mueller-probe-draws-in-tony-podesta-vin-weber-ap/

M e h. He was four square contract with America arm-in-arm with Gingrich and turning Congress into the hyper partisan mess it is today.
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« Reply #540 on: November 03, 2017, 04:43:47 PM »
Trump would be a real moron to fire Sessions. 48 Dems + McCain/Corker/Flake would block any any appointee who would try to shut down the investigation.
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« Reply #541 on: November 03, 2017, 04:58:51 PM »

I guess Jeff's fate is sealed then.
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« Reply #542 on: November 03, 2017, 07:09:14 PM »
Quote from: marty on November 03, 2017, 02:39:30 PM
Anyone else seeing chatter that vin weber might be going down?

Would be really disappointing to see a once respectable politician go down.

Surprised to see his name since he was very anti-Trump in the campaign
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« Reply #543 on: November 03, 2017, 07:36:09 PM »

I was thinking the same thing. Wouldn't doubt if it happens.
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« Reply #544 on: November 03, 2017, 08:04:04 PM »
Many 'anti=Trump' Republicans were even more anti-Clinton and anti-Sanders.
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« Reply #545 on: November 03, 2017, 08:09:35 PM »
Uh oh https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/03/us/politics/trump-campaign-page-russian.html?referer=https://t.co/tAVcCQdx1d?amp=1
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« Reply #546 on: November 03, 2017, 08:44:28 PM »

Cheesy
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« Reply #547 on: November 03, 2017, 09:07:10 PM »

"It may have come up a few times." Wink
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« Reply #548 on: November 03, 2017, 09:33:45 PM »
How many people would protest the firing of Mueller?
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« Reply #549 on: November 03, 2017, 09:55:21 PM »
Quote from: Mike Pence on November 03, 2017, 09:33:45 PM
How many people would protest the firing of Mueller?

I would!

I have participated in only one demonstration.

Rule of Law is even more essential to a free society than are elections. Heck, China and Iran have elections, too.
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