Indictment-O-Rama Megathread: Mueller indicts 13 Russians

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I wonder when Trump and the GOP will begin their push to fire Mueller or somehow seriously restrict his investigation.

They’re sweating like dogs.

Err, I doubt that. If we were talking about your average Republican president, I could believe that, but with Trump, I honestly do not think he can restrain himself. Once the investigation gets closer to his family or maybe some other people he considers important and if they get slapped with their own indictments, it's very easy to see Trump firing Mueller and/or issuing pardons. I mean come on, this is Donald Trump, Grumps. He has spent the past 2+ (or his lifetime?) years breaking rules. I really doubt he can restrain himself, especially when he knows he can insulate himself from real repercussions rather easily.

As for Republicans, or political parties in general, never underestimate their willingness to put party above all else, even if it means shutting down a legitimate investigation just to try and limit damage in the next election(s).

Unless someone named Trump or Kushner is about to be indicted I'm not giving any credence to any Fire Mueller stories.

The fact that Trump would fire Mueller because of who the latter indicted, period, is proof that Trump has absolutely no respect for the rule of law.  It's just as corrupt to fire Mueller for indicting Kushner as it would be to fire him for indicting Manafort.

So I'm guessing Mueller is planning another Monday morning round-up? If he is, it's a 99.8% chance that both Flynn and Junior are going down.

The only surprise here is that Flynn wasn't indicted before Manafort

Why is that surprising?

Firstly, I didn't say he would fire Mueller for that but I'm tired of the stories. And Flynn had been under some investigation since February. Manafort later than that.

Re: Firing Mueller: Got it. 

Re: The timing of Flynn's presumed indictment: Yeah, but Flynn's likely gonna be facing some more complex (to prove) non-Russia charges than the non-Russia charges against (albeit also potentially some even more serious ones).  Also, I could be wrong, but I suspect they're actually going to arrest Flynn and (perhaps even more likely) his son rather than letting them turn themselves in.  Michael Flynn Jr.'s being an idiot on twitter and I doubt Mueller's going to be too inclined to break the FBI's SOP by letting either of them turn themselves in after today.

[SoLongAtlas]

MSNBC reporting from their sources that the SP is pressuring Flynn to release more details and save himself and his son more charges or be granted lesser charges (pitting the father against the son). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZMS_2baakE

OG Mueller ftw

[SoLongAtlas]

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"You broke my heart Mike Jr!" LOL

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

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"You broke my heart Mike Jr!" LOL

I just watched The Godfather Part II last night lol

[KingSweden]

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"You broke my heart Mike Jr!" LOL

Mueller’s gonna make him an offer he can’t refuse

[pbrower2a]

I wonder when Trump and the GOP will begin their push to fire Mueller or somehow seriously restrict his investigation.

They’re sweating like dogs.

Err, I doubt that. If we were talking about your average Republican president, I could believe that, but with Trump, I honestly do not think he can restrain himself. Once the investigation gets closer to his family or maybe some other people he considers important and if they get slapped with their own indictments, it's very easy to see Trump firing Mueller and/or issuing pardons. I mean come on, this is Donald Trump, Grumps. He has spent the past 2+ (or his lifetime?) years breaking rules. I really doubt he can restrain himself, especially when he knows he can insulate himself from real repercussions rather easily.

As for Republicans, or political parties in general, never underestimate their willingness to put party above all else, even if it means shutting down a legitimate investigation just to try and limit damage in the next election(s).

Unless someone named Trump or Kushner is about to be indicted I'm not giving any credence to any Fire Mueller stories.

The fact that Trump would fire Mueller because of who the latter indicted, period, is proof that Trump has absolutely no respect for the rule of law.  It's just as corrupt to fire Mueller for indicting Kushner as it would be to fire him for indicting Manafort.

So I'm guessing Mueller is planning another Monday morning round-up? If he is, it's a 99.8% chance that both Flynn and Junior are going down.

The only surprise here is that Flynn wasn't indicted before Manafort

Why is that surprising?

It is far better, of course, that justice be decided in the unpredictable courts of law with their long-established rules of evidence and centuries (in America, going back to English common law that the colonists brought with them to Virginia and Massachusetts). than that justice be decided in the streets.

Don't fool yourselves:  rule of law is more essential to the quality of your lives than are either free stuff or special tax breaks and subsidies.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I wonder when Trump and the GOP will begin their push to fire Mueller or somehow seriously restrict his investigation.

They’re sweating like dogs.

Err, I doubt that. If we were talking about your average Republican president, I could believe that, but with Trump, I honestly do not think he can restrain himself. Once the investigation gets closer to his family or maybe some other people he considers important and if they get slapped with their own indictments, it's very easy to see Trump firing Mueller and/or issuing pardons. I mean come on, this is Donald Trump, Grumps. He has spent the past 2+ (or his lifetime?) years breaking rules. I really doubt he can restrain himself, especially when he knows he can insulate himself from real repercussions rather easily.

As for Republicans, or political parties in general, never underestimate their willingness to put party above all else, even if it means shutting down a legitimate investigation just to try and limit damage in the next election(s).

Unless someone named Trump or Kushner is about to be indicted I'm not giving any credence to any Fire Mueller stories.

The fact that Trump would fire Mueller because of who the latter indicted, period, is proof that Trump has absolutely no respect for the rule of law.  It's just as corrupt to fire Mueller for indicting Kushner as it would be to fire him for indicting Manafort.

So I'm guessing Mueller is planning another Monday morning round-up? If he is, it's a 99.8% chance that both Flynn and Junior are going down.

The only surprise here is that Flynn wasn't indicted before Manafort

Why is that surprising?

It is far better, of course, that justice be decided in the unpredictable courts of law with their long-established rules of evidence and centuries (in America, going back to English common law that the colonists brought with them to Virginia and Massachusetts). than that justice be decided in the streets.

Don't fool yourselves:  rule of law is more essential to the quality of your lives than are either free stuff or special tax breaks and subsidies.

You're absolutely right - which is why Trump (and those like him) want to destroy the rule of law. For their own profit.

[GeorgiaModerate]

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[Holmes]

Mueller should promise the Flynns safety if they squeal and then lock them up anyway.

[Badger]

Mueller should promise the Flynns safety if they squeal and then lock them up anyway.

Things like that are carefully spelled out in written agreements readily enforceable by the Courts.

A nice thought, though. 

[KingSweden]

Of people I feel sympathy for, Misha and his progeny Misha Mikhailovich are at the bottom of the list

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Can Mueller hurry up and throw Flynn and his goblin of a son behind bars already?

[GeorgiaModerate]

Since this seems to have become the generic Russia thread:

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[KingSweden]

Since this seems to have become the generic Russia thread:

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Plot twist

[GeorgiaModerate]

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Let's take a moment to consider how awful this is.  The incoming National Security Adviser was allegedly plotting an illegal kidnapping and rendition to a foreign power.

[Cassandra]

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I wonder if Trump approved of this.

[pbrower2a]

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Let's take a moment to consider how awful this is.  The incoming National Security Adviser was allegedly plotting an illegal kidnapping and rendition to a foreign power.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. There are all sorts of possible crimes that this suggests, including violation of the Neutrality Act. Conspiracy to kidnap?

[NewYorkExpress]

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Let's take a moment to consider how awful this is.  The incoming National Security Adviser was allegedly plotting an illegal kidnapping and rendition to a foreign power.

At some point the number of horrible things that will come out about Flynn will outweigh the dangerous, illegal things Trump is doing.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Mueller investigation touches Rohrabacher via Flynn:

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[pbrower2a]

The name of the most despised senior officer in American history does not escape my mind. I simply need be cautious about mentioning his name with respect to any living persons. 

[GeorgiaModerate]

Meanwhile, back on the Russian front:

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[GeorgiaModerate]

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[Hindsight was 2020]

Mueller might have a witness to nail Flynn on https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/does-cooperating-witness-have-info-flynn-tie-turkey-n821341

[Virginiá]

It's a bit funny how this stuff doesn't even really rate anymore. Atlas was blowing up over similar kinds of revelations months ago, but more hints of Trump & Co's corrupt shenanigans is just kind of accepted now.

I feel like any day now, CNN could light up with news and video evidence of Trump and his sons burying someone they actually shot on 5th avenue, and after they yell Fake News! at the camera, the collective response would be basically be:

[pbrower2a]

The real drama will be in a courthouse. Of course, the news stories are beginning to numb us. Consider this: plumbers eventually get immune to the scent of sewage.

No gold toilet can make the stench from this political sewage any less noxious.