Trump approval ratings thread 1.2

[Person Man]

That's how the electoral college works, because we're a Republic. The people in Wyoming need as much say as Californians, otherwise it really is "tyranny of the majority".

Actually the people of Wyoming have 3.6 times more say than the people of California, so this has become the tyranny of the minority.

Not when California has 67 people for every one in Wyoming.

Um, do you understand what I said or is it too much for you to process?

You are talking to someone who believes that people don't matter, only states and corporations matter.

No I believe individuals matter. The smallest minority.

But apparently some more than others. I don't understand why there is this fixation on procedural rights as opposed to substantive ones. Again, unless by "freedom", it is normally just meant the right own property, not to consent to be governed or to be governed only in a way that doesn't prevent you from consenting to be governed.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Yes, but it's supposed to be a balance.  The weight of a number of votes in heavily populated states vs people's wants getting ignored in sparsely populated ones.  If we were on pure vote count, why should people in Wyoming or Delaware or Rhode Island even bother voting in a national election? The electoral college isn't perfect and maybe we could tweak it some, but it's still better than just a raw count.

Every other Western democracy uses popular vote and they are doing just fine, thank you.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

That's how the electoral college works, because we're a Republic. The people in Wyoming need as much say as Californians, otherwise it really is "tyranny of the majority".

Actually the people of Wyoming have 3.6 times more say than the people of California, so this has become the tyranny of the minority.

Not when California has 67 people for every one in Wyoming.

Um, do you understand what I said or is it too much for you to process?

You are talking to someone who believes that people don't matter, only states and corporations matter.

No I believe individuals matter. The smallest minority.

But apparently some more than others. I don't understand why there is this fixation on procedural rights as opposed to substantive ones. Again, unless by "freedom", it is normally just meant the right own property, not to consent to be governed or to be governed only in a way that doesn't prevent you from consenting to be governed.

And I don't understand why people want to throw out a more balanced/fair system for a older, lesser one. I guess that's why the left is now "regressive".

[OneJ]

Yes, but it's supposed to be a balance.  The weight of a number of votes in heavily populated states vs people's wants getting ignored in sparsely populated ones.  If we were on pure vote count, why should people in Wyoming or Delaware or Rhode Island even bother voting in a national election? The electoral college isn't perfect and maybe we could tweak it some, but it's still better than just a raw count.

Every other Western democracy uses popular vote and they are doing just fine, thank you.

And to add to this, individual states here in this nation are using the popular vote as well.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Yes, but it's supposed to be a balance.  The weight of a number of votes in heavily populated states vs people's wants getting ignored in sparsely populated ones.  If we were on pure vote count, why should people in Wyoming or Delaware or Rhode Island even bother voting in a national election? The electoral college isn't perfect and maybe we could tweak it some, but it's still better than just a raw count.

Every other Western democracy uses popular vote and they are doing just fine, thank you.

Wrong again, many don't even have an election for head of state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electoral_systems_by_country#/media/File:Electoral_systems_for_heads_of_state_map.svg

[LimoLiberal]

PPP Minnesota:
Approve: 44%
Disapprove: 53%
https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/MinnesotaPoll122817.pdf

WOW GREAT POLL FOR TRUMP

[IceSpear]

Libertarians4Trump, lol

[JA]

Yes, but it's supposed to be a balance.  The weight of a number of votes in heavily populated states vs people's wants getting ignored in sparsely populated ones.  If we were on pure vote count, why should people in Wyoming or Delaware or Rhode Island even bother voting in a national election? The electoral college isn't perfect and maybe we could tweak it some, but it's still better than just a raw count.

Every other Western democracy uses popular vote and they are doing just fine, thank you.

Wrong again, many don't even have an election for head of state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electoral_systems_by_country#/media/File:Electoral_systems_for_heads_of_state_map.svg

... Perhaps because those countries have a head of state that's merely symbolic and the true power is held by the Prime Minister, which is indirectly elected through parliamentary elections...

[junior chįmp]

It helps the pig has been golfing non stop. Everytime hes back in the public eye, his rating plummets like the value of his businesses

This is why I was skeptical of any claims about tax reform helping him (other than that the bill was really unpopular). Its passage coincided with a major holiday week and that alone would help Trump's approvals. It's been well-established that whenever Trump goes abroad or otherwise stops dominating the media, he usually sees a small bump in his approvals. And like clockwork, this comes to an end as soon as the focus is back on him.

At this time, his Gallup approval is nothing special. It's very much in line with his usual approvals.

Harry Enten on Twitter said that tax cuts never help a candidate. According to polling, people actually grow more skeptical of tax cuts after they pass and come to see them as a scam giveaway for the wealthy.

Tax cuts have always been a phony issue that masks Republicans true motivations for voting the way they do. People are not gonna come out to say "thanks for that lower pass through rate."

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Yes, but it's supposed to be a balance.  The weight of a number of votes in heavily populated states vs people's wants getting ignored in sparsely populated ones.  If we were on pure vote count, why should people in Wyoming or Delaware or Rhode Island even bother voting in a national election? The electoral college isn't perfect and maybe we could tweak it some, but it's still better than just a raw count.

Every other Western democracy uses popular vote and they are doing just fine, thank you.

Wrong again, many don't even have an election for head of state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electoral_systems_by_country#/media/File:Electoral_systems_for_heads_of_state_map.svg

... Perhaps because those countries have a head of state that's merely symbolic and the true power is held by the Prime Minister, which is indirectly elected through parliamentary elections...

So same thing, no popular vote for the figurehead or PM.  Or that matter, the head of the EU.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Libertarians4Trump, lol

Libertarians4ElectoralCollege
Libertarians4ConstitutionalGovernment

[Landslide Lyndon]

Yes, but it's supposed to be a balance.  The weight of a number of votes in heavily populated states vs people's wants getting ignored in sparsely populated ones.  If we were on pure vote count, why should people in Wyoming or Delaware or Rhode Island even bother voting in a national election? The electoral college isn't perfect and maybe we could tweak it some, but it's still better than just a raw count.

Every other Western democracy uses popular vote and they are doing just fine, thank you.

Wrong again, many don't even have an election for head of state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electoral_systems_by_country#/media/File:Electoral_systems_for_heads_of_state_map.svg

... Perhaps because those countries have a head of state that's merely symbolic and the true power is held by the Prime Minister, which is indirectly elected through parliamentary elections...

So same thing, no popular vote for the figurehead or PM.  Or that matter, the head of the EU.

Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. Have you considered to pursue a career as a Breitbart columnist?

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Yes, but it's supposed to be a balance.  The weight of a number of votes in heavily populated states vs people's wants getting ignored in sparsely populated ones.  If we were on pure vote count, why should people in Wyoming or Delaware or Rhode Island even bother voting in a national election? The electoral college isn't perfect and maybe we could tweak it some, but it's still better than just a raw count.

Every other Western democracy uses popular vote and they are doing just fine, thank you.

Wrong again, many don't even have an election for head of state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electoral_systems_by_country#/media/File:Electoral_systems_for_heads_of_state_map.svg

... Perhaps because those countries have a head of state that's merely symbolic and the true power is held by the Prime Minister, which is indirectly elected through parliamentary elections...

So same thing, no popular vote for the figurehead or PM.  Or that matter, the head of the EU.

Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. Have you considered to pursue a career as a Breitbart columnist?

Hmm, feeling's mutual. Perhaps you run Occupy Democrats?

[Landslide Lyndon]

Hmm, feeling's mutual. Perhaps you run Occupy Democrats?

Trust me, it's not. I know very well how the American electoral system works.
You on the other hand know jacksh**t of how European democracies elect their leaders.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

That's how the electoral college works, because we're a Republic. The people in Wyoming need as much say as Californians, otherwise it really is "tyranny of the majority".

Oh My God, stop talking now.

That's how the electoral college works, because we're a Republic.

Right, to begin, the distinction between republican and democratic government has been obsolete since the nineteenth century. There are plenty of republics around the world that elect their head of state by direct popular ballot. There is no reason to believe retention of the electoral college is necessary to maintain a functioning representative system, not that it somehow makes the difference between constitutional government and mob rule, bar post-facto justifications cooked up by eighth grade civics teachers.

The people in Wyoming need as much say as Californians,

I agree! That is why every citizen should have one vote, and the president should be chosen by a majority of those votes.

otherwise it really is "tyranny of the majority".

I did not realize the system we use to decide literally every other election is akin to "tyranny."

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Remember when polls said Moore would win by 2 and Northam won by 3?

Oh wait, instead Jones won by 1.5 and Northam won by almost 9.

Turns out polls don't always overestimate democrats. But you guys choose to not believe in data, which is part of why I left the GOP (FYI, I voted for Drew Ferguson and Johnny Isakson in 2016 - both R's). But keep pushing out college-educated white people and minorities and wonder why the GOP loses everything. I don't feel welcome in the post-truth GOP party that poops on civil rights even harder than it used to.

[krazen1211]

I think Trump has hit bottom. If he gets Obamacare finally repealed/replaced and real spending cuts (not holding my breath there) done in the first half of 2018, prepare for 50-60% approval.

You sound very out of touch with the average american voter.

Cutting spending would hurt Trump's approvals. The average american loves tax cuts and loves government spending. How the hell would cutting spending make Trump's approvals go up. People (unfortunately) hardly care about the national debt.

Just look at how the Obamacare repeal went. At some point, the approval for that health care plan was 20% approval 60% disapproval.

LOL every red avatar in here was out of touch with the "average American voter" a year ago, predicting Hillary landslides.

Then they ended up cucked. And some Hamilton electors proposed stealing the election.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

I think Trump has hit bottom. If he gets Obamacare finally repealed/replaced and real spending cuts (not holding my breath there) done in the first half of 2018, prepare for 50-60% approval.

You sound very out of touch with the average american voter.

Cutting spending would hurt Trump's approvals. The average american loves tax cuts and loves government spending. How the hell would cutting spending make Trump's approvals go up. People (unfortunately) hardly care about the national debt.

Just look at how the Obamacare repeal went. At some point, the approval for that health care plan was 20% approval 60% disapproval.

LOL every red avatar in here was out of touch with the "average American voter" a year ago, predicting Hillary landslides.

Then they ended up cucked. And some Hamilton electors proposed stealing the election.

Trump has been the best for the democrat party. We would have never gotten Doug Jones + 1.7 without Trump. I strongly approve of Trump

[IceSpear]

But keep pushing out college-educated white people and minorities and wonder why the GOP loses everything. I don't feel welcome in the post-truth GOP party that poops on civil rights even harder than it used to.

They don't mind giving you up as long as they get at least one deplorable in return.

[krazen1211]

Trump has been the best for the democrat party. We would have never gotten Doug Jones + 1.7 without Trump. I strongly approve of Trump

A 3 year senate seat for an 8 year Presidency is an interesting trade. I approve!

[GeorgiaModerate]

Trump has been the best for the democrat party. We would have never gotten Doug Jones + 1.7 without Trump. I strongly approve of Trump

A 3 year senate seat for an 8 year Presidency is an interesting trade. I approve!

AL-SEN wasn't the only election that will be affected by Trump.

[BudgieForce]

Trump has been the best for the democrat party. We would have never gotten Doug Jones + 1.7 without Trump. I strongly approve of Trump

A 3 year senate seat for an 8 year Presidency is an interesting trade. I approve!

8 years? He'll be lucky to make it to 4.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Trump has been the best for the democrat party. We would have never gotten Doug Jones + 1.7 without Trump. I strongly approve of Trump

A 3 year senate seat for an 8 year Presidency is an interesting trade. I approve!

We got a 21 point swing in a Kansas house election. We got a 45 point swing in a recent Tennessee state house election. Don't worry - there'll be more incredible and historic losses that have never before been seen in America under your doofus-in-chief! Thanks for the albatross around the GOP, Krazeidiot.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Sometimes I wonder if krazey was born stupid or if he was just hit too many times in the head by all those mean teachers.

[BudgieForce]

Trump just tweeted about the Rasmussen poll. I think the amount of genuine hate I have for a polling company is unhealthy.