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« Reply #150 on: September 17, 2017, 10:50:50 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
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« Reply #151 on: September 17, 2017, 10:50:58 AM »

You do know that not everything can be blamed on "people disagree with me." Fact is, extremist candidates decrease turnout. The Democrats who have come closest in special elections have both been Clinton supporters.

Bernard Brother Rob Quist overperformed Clinton by like 16% or something. Meanwhile the 30,000,000 spent on Jon Ossoff translated into the dweeb polling, what, like a decimal better than Hillary in GA-06? 
Quist ran against a guy who beat up a reporter and a libertarian third party and couldn't come within 5 points. 
Quist ran a great campaign considering Montana voted for trump by 20 points not to mention its debatable whether or not he would have lost if so many people hadn't early voted before gianforte's scandal
Gianforte had just lost a statewide race.
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« Reply #152 on: September 17, 2017, 11:11:07 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.
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« Reply #153 on: September 17, 2017, 11:12:39 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
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« Reply #154 on: September 17, 2017, 11:19:12 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.
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« Reply #155 on: September 17, 2017, 11:26:31 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
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« Reply #156 on: September 17, 2017, 11:28:00 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
Except, Manchin is much more electable than Sanders. Bernie has such a grim past, while Manchin does not. If Bernie were the nominee, the GOP would tear him to shreds, and Booker or Harris wouldn't want their careers destroyed alongside his.

Manchin could also pick Elizabeth Warren if he wants to appeal to the "progressives" in the party, but she's not a minority.
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« Reply #157 on: September 17, 2017, 11:29:42 AM »
« Edited: September 17, 2017, 11:32:18 AM by kyc0705 »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
Except, Manchin is much more electable than Sanders. Bernie has such a grim past, while Manchin does not. If Bernie were the nominee, the GOP would tear him to shreds, and Booker or Harris wouldn't want their careers destroyed alongside his.

Untrue, especially for a Democratic base that wants ideological distance from Trump. Manchin was the only Senate Democrat to miss the vote on repealing DADT (he also didn't vote on a 2011 revision of the Now Very Relevant DREAM Act), and his coal past will make environmentalists angry. Sanders would have his own problems, but let's not pretend that someone like Manchin would magically unite progressives and centrists. 
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« Reply #158 on: September 17, 2017, 11:30:15 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

Based on what, exactly? Her ideology aligns more with Sanders than Manchin and she's shown herself to be a Sanders ally in her time as a Senator.

And how often do people get offered VP spots and turn it down?
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« Reply #159 on: September 17, 2017, 11:34:31 AM »
« Edited: September 17, 2017, 11:36:21 AM by Blue Dog Moderate »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
Except, Manchin is much more electable than Sanders. Bernie has such a grim past, while Manchin does not. If Bernie were the nominee, the GOP would tear him to shreds, and Booker or Harris wouldn't want their careers destroyed alongside his.

Untrue, especially for a Democratic base that wants ideological distance from Trump. Manchin was the only Senate Democrat to miss the vote on repealing DADT (he also didn't vote on the Now Very Relevant DREAM Act), and his coal past will make environmentalists angry. Sanders would have his own problems, but let's not pretend that someone like Manchin would magically unite progressives and centrists.  
I forgot, Joe Manchin hung a Soviet flag in his office when he started his career as a State Delegate.

Oh wait, that was Bernie Sanders as Mayor of Burlington
Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

Based on what, exactly? Her ideology aligns more with Sanders than Manchin and she's shown herself to be a Sanders ally in her time as a Senator.

And how often do people get offered VP spots and turn it down?
Ted Kennedy, Gaylord Nelson, Reuben Askew...
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« Reply #160 on: September 17, 2017, 11:38:01 AM »
« Edited: September 17, 2017, 11:40:23 AM by kyc0705 »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
Except, Manchin is much more electable than Sanders. Bernie has such a grim past, while Manchin does not. If Bernie were the nominee, the GOP would tear him to shreds, and Booker or Harris wouldn't want their careers destroyed alongside his.

Untrue, especially for a Democratic base that wants ideological distance from Trump. Manchin was the only Senate Democrat to miss the vote on repealing DADT (he also didn't vote on the Now Very Relevant DREAM Act), and his coal past will make environmentalists angry. Sanders would have his own problems, but let's not pretend that someone like Manchin would magically unite progressives and centrists. 
I forgot, Joe Manchin hung a Soviet flag in his office when he started his career as a State Delegate.

Oh wait, that was Bernie Sanders as Mayor of Burlington.

I forgot, Manchin said he would have voted against the DREAM Act if he had been in the Senate that day. That's the kind of thing that hurts you in a primary, even: "Joe Manchin isn't even principled enough to vote on his own bad stances."
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« Reply #161 on: September 17, 2017, 11:39:30 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
Except, Manchin is much more electable than Sanders. Bernie has such a grim past, while Manchin does not. If Bernie were the nominee, the GOP would tear him to shreds, and Booker or Harris wouldn't want their careers destroyed alongside his.

Untrue, especially for a Democratic base that wants ideological distance from Trump. Manchin was the only Senate Democrat to miss the vote on repealing DADT (he also didn't vote on the Now Very Relevant DREAM Act), and his coal past will make environmentalists angry. Sanders would have his own problems, but let's not pretend that someone like Manchin would magically unite progressives and centrists. 
I forgot, Joe Manchin hung a Soviet flag in his office when he started his career as a State Delegate.

Oh wait, that was Bernie Sanders as Mayor of Burlington.

I forgot, Manchin said he would have voted against the DREAM Act if he had been in the Senate that day. That's the kind of thing that hurts you in a primary, even: "Joe Manchin isn't even principled enough to vote on his own bad stances." Every other Dem running in 2020 would salivate at the chance to paint him as a Trump apologist DINO. And it would probably work.
Is it a bad thing that he's not an ideological hack like Sanders?
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« Reply #162 on: September 17, 2017, 11:40:49 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
Except, Manchin is much more electable than Sanders. Bernie has such a grim past, while Manchin does not. If Bernie were the nominee, the GOP would tear him to shreds, and Booker or Harris wouldn't want their careers destroyed alongside his.

Untrue, especially for a Democratic base that wants ideological distance from Trump. Manchin was the only Senate Democrat to miss the vote on repealing DADT (he also didn't vote on the Now Very Relevant DREAM Act), and his coal past will make environmentalists angry. Sanders would have his own problems, but let's not pretend that someone like Manchin would magically unite progressives and centrists. 
I forgot, Joe Manchin hung a Soviet flag in his office when he started his career as a State Delegate.

Oh wait, that was Bernie Sanders as Mayor of Burlington.

I forgot, Manchin said he would have voted against the DREAM Act if he had been in the Senate that day. That's the kind of thing that hurts you in a primary, even: "Joe Manchin isn't even principled enough to vote on his own bad stances." Every other Dem running in 2020 would salivate at the chance to paint him as a Trump apologist DINO. And it would probably work.
Is it a bad thing that he's not an ideological hack like Sanders?

Bernie Sanders could be defeated by pointing out specific actions of his past, but it take some digging. Joe Manchin is kind enough to lay it all out on-the-record.
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« Reply #163 on: September 17, 2017, 11:43:33 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
Except, Manchin is much more electable than Sanders. Bernie has such a grim past, while Manchin does not. If Bernie were the nominee, the GOP would tear him to shreds, and Booker or Harris wouldn't want their careers destroyed alongside his.

Untrue, especially for a Democratic base that wants ideological distance from Trump. Manchin was the only Senate Democrat to miss the vote on repealing DADT (he also didn't vote on the Now Very Relevant DREAM Act), and his coal past will make environmentalists angry. Sanders would have his own problems, but let's not pretend that someone like Manchin would magically unite progressives and centrists. 
I forgot, Joe Manchin hung a Soviet flag in his office when he started his career as a State Delegate.

Oh wait, that was Bernie Sanders as Mayor of Burlington.

I forgot, Manchin said he would have voted against the DREAM Act if he had been in the Senate that day. That's the kind of thing that hurts you in a primary, even: "Joe Manchin isn't even principled enough to vote on his own bad stances." Every other Dem running in 2020 would salivate at the chance to paint him as a Trump apologist DINO. And it would probably work.
Is it a bad thing that he's not an ideological hack like Sanders?

Bernie Sanders could be defeated by pointing out specific actions of his past, but it take some digging. Joe Manchin is kind enough to lay it all out on-the-record.


This isn't even the tip of the iceberg
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« Reply #164 on: September 17, 2017, 11:45:11 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
Except, Manchin is much more electable than Sanders. Bernie has such a grim past, while Manchin does not. If Bernie were the nominee, the GOP would tear him to shreds, and Booker or Harris wouldn't want their careers destroyed alongside his.

Untrue, especially for a Democratic base that wants ideological distance from Trump. Manchin was the only Senate Democrat to miss the vote on repealing DADT (he also didn't vote on the Now Very Relevant DREAM Act), and his coal past will make environmentalists angry. Sanders would have his own problems, but let's not pretend that someone like Manchin would magically unite progressives and centrists. 
I forgot, Joe Manchin hung a Soviet flag in his office when he started his career as a State Delegate.

Oh wait, that was Bernie Sanders as Mayor of Burlington.

I forgot, Manchin said he would have voted against the DREAM Act if he had been in the Senate that day. That's the kind of thing that hurts you in a primary, even: "Joe Manchin isn't even principled enough to vote on his own bad stances." Every other Dem running in 2020 would salivate at the chance to paint him as a Trump apologist DINO. And it would probably work.
Is it a bad thing that he's not an ideological hack like Sanders?

Bernie Sanders could be defeated by pointing out specific actions of his past, but it take some digging. Joe Manchin is kind enough to lay it all out on-the-record.
This isn't even the tip of the iceberg

Repeating that Bernie Sanders is a flawed candidate does not suddenly make Joe Manchin a good one. If anything, it shows that you also don't have any idea how he would deflect or dispel the criticisms which would inevitably be brought against him by his primary opponents.
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« Reply #165 on: September 17, 2017, 11:47:23 AM »

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.

Your boy Joe Manchin comes from a state that's 94% white, just like Vermont. I fail to see how he would make a difference in that field.
If he picks Cory Booker or Kamala Harris as his VP, then he could easily balance the scale.

I think there's a decent chance Sanders could pick Harris as his running mate.
I doubt she'd accept.

If she won't run on a ticket with Sanders, then she definitely won't run on one with Manchin.
Except, Manchin is much more electable than Sanders. Bernie has such a grim past, while Manchin does not. If Bernie were the nominee, the GOP would tear him to shreds, and Booker or Harris wouldn't want their careers destroyed alongside his.

Untrue, especially for a Democratic base that wants ideological distance from Trump. Manchin was the only Senate Democrat to miss the vote on repealing DADT (he also didn't vote on the Now Very Relevant DREAM Act), and his coal past will make environmentalists angry. Sanders would have his own problems, but let's not pretend that someone like Manchin would magically unite progressives and centrists. 
I forgot, Joe Manchin hung a Soviet flag in his office when he started his career as a State Delegate.

Oh wait, that was Bernie Sanders as Mayor of Burlington.

I forgot, Manchin said he would have voted against the DREAM Act if he had been in the Senate that day. That's the kind of thing that hurts you in a primary, even: "Joe Manchin isn't even principled enough to vote on his own bad stances." Every other Dem running in 2020 would salivate at the chance to paint him as a Trump apologist DINO. And it would probably work.
Is it a bad thing that he's not an ideological hack like Sanders?

Bernie Sanders could be defeated by pointing out specific actions of his past, but it take some digging. Joe Manchin is kind enough to lay it all out on-the-record.
This isn't even the tip of the iceberg

Repeating that Bernie Sanders is a flawed candidate does not suddenly make Joe Manchin a good one. If anything, it shows that you also don't have any idea how he would deflect or dispel the criticisms which would inevitably be brought against him by his primary opponents.
I'm not saying Manchin has a smooth path to the nomination in 2020, but its very possible.
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« Reply #166 on: September 17, 2017, 12:18:26 PM »

I wonder how the primaries will look when Manchin decides to make a run.

If it's a one-on-one race, probably this.




Too nice to Manchin.
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« Reply #167 on: September 17, 2017, 12:35:18 PM »

You do know that not everything can be blamed on "people disagree with me." Fact is, extremist candidates decrease turnout. The Democrats who have come closest in special elections have both been Clinton supporters.

Bernard Brother Rob Quist overperformed Clinton by like 16% or something. Meanwhile the 30,000,000 spent on Jon Ossoff translated into the dweeb polling, what, like a decimal better than Hillary in GA-06? 
Quist ran against a guy who beat up a reporter and a libertarian third party and couldn't come within 5 points. 
Quist ran a great campaign considering Montana voted for trump by 20 points not to mention its debatable whether or not he would have lost if so many people hadn't early voted before gianforte's scandal
Gianforte had just lost a statewide race.
Against an incumbent well loved Governor
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« Reply #168 on: September 17, 2017, 01:02:58 PM »

I wonder how the primaries will look when Manchin decides to make a run.

If it's a one-on-one race, probably this.




Too nice to Manchin.

Louisiana, Utah, and Wyoming could go either way.
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« Reply #169 on: September 17, 2017, 01:07:01 PM »

Anybody thinking Joe Manchin could become a Democratic nominee is seriously delusional, and that;s putting it mildly.
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« Reply #170 on: September 17, 2017, 01:07:43 PM »

I wonder how the primaries will look when Manchin decides to make a run.

If it's a one-on-one race, probably this.




Too nice to Manchin.
I still don't understand why he loses his home state and Kentucky, so its a bit mean to him.
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« Reply #171 on: September 17, 2017, 01:08:41 PM »

Anybody thinking Joe Manchin could become a Democratic nominee is seriously delusional, and that;s putting it mildly.
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« Reply #172 on: September 17, 2017, 01:10:01 PM »

You do know that not everything can be blamed on "people disagree with me." Fact is, extremist candidates decrease turnout. The Democrats who have come closest in special elections have both been Clinton supporters.

Bernard Brother Rob Quist overperformed Clinton by like 16% or something. Meanwhile the 30,000,000 spent on Jon Ossoff translated into the dweeb polling, what, like a decimal better than Hillary in GA-06? 
Quist ran against a guy who beat up a reporter and a libertarian third party and couldn't come within 5 points. 
Quist ran a great campaign considering Montana voted for trump by 20 points not to mention its debatable whether or not he would have lost if so many people hadn't early voted before gianforte's scandal
Gianforte had just lost a statewide race.
Against an incumbent well loved Governor
That's still not an accomplishment.
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« Reply #173 on: September 17, 2017, 01:14:24 PM »

You do know that not everything can be blamed on "people disagree with me." Fact is, extremist candidates decrease turnout. The Democrats who have come closest in special elections have both been Clinton supporters.

Bernard Brother Rob Quist overperformed Clinton by like 16% or something. Meanwhile the 30,000,000 spent on Jon Ossoff translated into the dweeb polling, what, like a decimal better than Hillary in GA-06? 
Quist ran against a guy who beat up a reporter and a libertarian third party and couldn't come within 5 points. 
Quist ran a great campaign considering Montana voted for trump by 20 points not to mention its debatable whether or not he would have lost if so many people hadn't early voted before gianforte's scandal
Gianforte had just lost a statewide race.
Against an incumbent well loved Governor
That's still not an accomplishment.
I know I was just saying its different trying to compare an incumbent popular governor to a open seat race where a lot of votes were submitted early before a major scandal
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« Reply #174 on: September 17, 2017, 01:32:24 PM »

I wonder how the primaries will look when Manchin decides to make a run.

If it's a one-on-one race, probably this.




Too nice to Manchin.
I still don't understand why he loses his home state and Kentucky, so its a bit mean to him.
The green is Manchin. He loses the primary. That's the point.
You didn't create the map.
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