JOE MANCHIN 2020!

[RINO Tom]

Manchin has virtually no appeal outside of blue-collar coal-loving conservative Democrats and the party-loyal "Black base". They're not putting a conservative Democrat against Trump. I think most Democrats like Susan Collins better than Manchin.

I certainly do.

You're not "most Democrats" by a long shot, LOL.  Takes a real dumb Democrat to think Susan Collins is more of an ally than Joe Manchin.

[Shadows]

Susan Collins in multiple areas is more liberal. Manchin didn't support Don't ask Don't tell vote while Collin supports gay marriage. Collins is strongly pro-choice while Manchin even once wanted to stop funding to Planned Parenthood.

Collins was the only GOP Senator even 2-3 years back who didn't want to repeal the ACA. Collins has a good environmental record. Collins was the only GOP senator to vote against Pruitt. In some respects, Collins is better. In other areas, Manchin is maybe a shade better. It is not an ideal choice & would kill the Dem party.

Coal is a dying industry & will largely be wiped off in 10-15 years. Climate Change is threatening the planet & Dems go for a coal loving Manchin for a dying industry for those 3/4 votes of WV?

[Lord Admirale]

Susan Collins in multiple areas is more liberal. Manchin didn't support Don't ask Don't tell vote while Collin supports gay marriage. Collins is strongly pro-choice while Manchin even once wanted to stop funding to Planned Parenthood.

Collins was the only GOP Senator even 2-3 years back who didn't want to repeal the ACA. Collins has a good environmental record. Collins was the only GOP senator to vote against Pruitt. In some respects, Collins is better. In other areas, Manchin is maybe a shade better. It is not an ideal choice & would kill the Dem party.

Coal is a dying industry & will largely be wiped off in 10-15 years. Climate Change is threatening the planet & Dems go for a coal loving Manchin for a dying industry for those 3/4 votes of WV?

Clean coal

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Susan Collins in multiple areas is more liberal. Manchin didn't support Don't ask Don't tell vote while Collin supports gay marriage. Collins is strongly pro-choice while Manchin even once wanted to stop funding to Planned Parenthood.

Collins was the only GOP Senator even 2-3 years back who didn't want to repeal the ACA. Collins has a good environmental record. Collins was the only GOP senator to vote against Pruitt. In some respects, Collins is better. In other areas, Manchin is maybe a shade better. It is not an ideal choice & would kill the Dem party.

Coal is a dying industry & will largely be wiped off in 10-15 years. Climate Change is threatening the planet & Dems go for a coal loving Manchin for a dying industry for those 3/4 votes of WV?

It aint just wv bro. It's Pa, Oh, Ky, etc. too.

[Bidenworth2020]

Susan Collins in multiple areas is more liberal. Manchin didn't support Don't ask Don't tell vote while Collin supports gay marriage. Collins is strongly pro-choice while Manchin even once wanted to stop funding to Planned Parenthood.

Collins was the only GOP Senator even 2-3 years back who didn't want to repeal the ACA. Collins has a good environmental record. Collins was the only GOP senator to vote against Pruitt. In some respects, Collins is better. In other areas, Manchin is maybe a shade better. It is not an ideal choice & would kill the Dem party.

Coal is a dying industry & will largely be wiped off in 10-15 years. Climate Change is threatening the planet & Dems go for a coal loving Manchin for a dying industry for those 3/4 votes of WV?

It aint just wv bro. It's Pa, Oh, Ky, etc. too.

 bagel is 110% right .

[Lord Admirale]

I wonder how the primaries will look when Manchin decides to make a run.

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

I wonder how the primaries will look when Manchin decides to make a run.

If it's a one-on-one race, probably this.

[Lord Admirale]

I wonder how the primaries will look when Manchin decides to make a run.

If it's a one-on-one race, probably this.

Why does Manchin lose his home state and Kentucky? I thought he'd do best in these states.

[Canis]

I wonder how the primaries will look when Manchin decides to make a run.

If it's a one-on-one race, probably this.

Why does Manchin lose his home state and Kentucky? I thought he'd do best in these states.

The green is manchin

[Lord Admirale]

I wonder how the primaries will look when Manchin decides to make a run.

If it's a one-on-one race, probably this.

Why does Manchin lose his home state and Kentucky? I thought he'd do best in these states.

The green is manchin

I highly doubt that, considering Manchin is a very appealing politician; just look at his 2012 Senate race. Manchin hit over 60% of the popular vote despite his state going heavily to Mitt Romney.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

You do know that not everything can be blamed on "people disagree with me." Fact is, extremist candidates decrease turnout. The Democrats who have come closest in special elections have both been Clinton supporters.

Bernard Brother Rob Quist overperformed Clinton by like 16% or something. Meanwhile the 30,000,000 spent on Jon Ossoff translated into the dweeb polling, what, like a decimal better than Hillary in GA-06? 

Quist ran against a guy who beat up a reporter and a libertarian third party and couldn't come within 5 points. 

[Coolface Sock #42069]

Manchin has virtually no appeal outside of blue-collar coal-loving conservative Democrats and the party-loyal "Black base". They're not putting a conservative Democrat against Trump. I think most Democrats like Susan Collins better than Manchin.

I certainly do.

You're not "most Democrats" by a long shot, LOL.  Takes a real dumb Democrat to think Susan Collins is more of an ally than Joe Manchin.

I don't love Susan Collins, but I really can't stand Joe Manchin. I don't claim to represent most Democrats, but I represent enough to swing the 2020 vote.

Wulfric?

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

I wonder how the primaries will look when Manchin decides to make a run.

If it's a one-on-one race, probably this.

Why does Manchin lose his home state and Kentucky? I thought he'd do best in these states.

The green is manchin

The Republican nominee winning California? Yeah sure and Bernie Sanders will someday become President.

That's a Democratic primary map...

[PoliticalShelter]

I wonder how the primaries will look when Manchin decides to make a run.

If it's a one-on-one race, probably this.

Why does Manchin lose his home state and Kentucky? I thought he'd do best in these states.

The green is manchin

The Republican nominee winning California? Yeah sure and Bernie Sanders will someday become President.

That's a Democratic primary map...

If that's a Democratic primary map, how does Manchin win Louisania but lose the rest of the Deep South? Unlike states like Kentucky and West Virginia, conservative white democrats in Deep South states are easily outnumbered by black + white liberal democrats.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Manchin winning Utah, lol.

[GoTfan]

Susan Collins in multiple areas is more liberal. Manchin didn't support Don't ask Don't tell vote while Collin supports gay marriage. Collins is strongly pro-choice while Manchin even once wanted to stop funding to Planned Parenthood.

Collins was the only GOP Senator even 2-3 years back who didn't want to repeal the ACA. Collins has a good environmental record. Collins was the only GOP senator to vote against Pruitt. In some respects, Collins is better. In other areas, Manchin is maybe a shade better. It is not an ideal choice & would kill the Dem party.

Coal is a dying industry & will largely be wiped off in 10-15 years. Climate Change is threatening the planet & Dems go for a coal loving Manchin for a dying industry for those 3/4 votes of WV?

Clean coal

That is a myth. Not a thing.

[Canis]

You do know that not everything can be blamed on "people disagree with me." Fact is, extremist candidates decrease turnout. The Democrats who have come closest in special elections have both been Clinton supporters.

Bernard Brother Rob Quist overperformed Clinton by like 16% or something. Meanwhile the 30,000,000 spent on Jon Ossoff translated into the dweeb polling, what, like a decimal better than Hillary in GA-06? 

Quist ran against a guy who beat up a reporter and a libertarian third party and couldn't come within 5 points. 

Quist ran a great campaign considering Montana voted for trump by 20 points not to mention its debatable whether or not he would have lost if so many people hadn't early voted before gianforte's scandal

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

You do know that not everything can be blamed on "people disagree with me." Fact is, extremist candidates decrease turnout. The Democrats who have come closest in special elections have both been Clinton supporters.

Bernard Brother Rob Quist overperformed Clinton by like 16% or something. Meanwhile the 30,000,000 spent on Jon Ossoff translated into the dweeb polling, what, like a decimal better than Hillary in GA-06? 

Quist ran against a guy who beat up a reporter and a libertarian third party and couldn't come within 5 points. 

Quist ran a great campaign considering Montana voted for trump by 20 points not to mention its debatable whether or not he would have lost if so many people hadn't early voted before gianforte's scandal

Montana is fairly elastic. Obama came close to winning Montana in 08, 1/2 of the senators there is a Democrat, and Steve Bullock was reelected in 2012. They're very willing to vote for the right democrat.

[Canis]

You do know that not everything can be blamed on "people disagree with me." Fact is, extremist candidates decrease turnout. The Democrats who have come closest in special elections have both been Clinton supporters.

Bernard Brother Rob Quist overperformed Clinton by like 16% or something. Meanwhile the 30,000,000 spent on Jon Ossoff translated into the dweeb polling, what, like a decimal better than Hillary in GA-06? 

Quist ran against a guy who beat up a reporter and a libertarian third party and couldn't come within 5 points. 

Quist ran a great campaign considering Montana voted for trump by 20 points not to mention its debatable whether or not he would have lost if so many people hadn't early voted before gianforte's scandal

Montana is fairly elastic. Obama came close to winning Montana in 08, 1/2 of the senators there is a Democrat, and Steve Bullock was reelected in 2012. They're very willing to vote for the right democrat.

And there's and argument to be made that quist would have won had not so many people early voted
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/25/opinion/montana-special-election-early-voting.html?mcubz=3

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Also Jon Ossoff had a good showing in GA-06, and he would have done far worse if he ran a more progressive candidate. You really think the rich folks at GA-06 wanted a progressive?

You need to stop looking at the presidential vote for house and senate elections. What matters far more for these elections is the partisan lean of the district. GA-06 was a very wealthy and educated district so they loved standard republicans, but Trump is a lot different from a standard republican. Trump did poorly among educated people, and did poorly among wealthier people in comparison to traditional Republicans; however, he also did far better among uneducated and did much better among poorer districts compared to traditional Republicans.

Trump's base and the standard Republican base overlap a lot, but they also differ in some ways.

Obama-Trump districts are where we will see the most gains in congressional elections I would imagine.

[Canis]

Also Jon Ossoff had a good showing in GA-06, and he would have done far worse if he ran a more progressive candidate. You really think the rich folks at GA-06 wanted a progressive?

You need to stop looking at the presidential vote for house and senate elections. What matters far more for these elections is the partisan lean of the district. GA-06 was a very wealthy and educated district so they loved standard republicans, but Trump is a lot different from a standard republican. Trump did poorly among educated people, and did poorly among wealthier people in comparison to traditional Republicans; however, he also did far better among uneducated and did much better among poorer districts compared to traditional Republicans.

Trump's base and the standard Republican base overlap a lot, but they also differ in some ways.

Obama-Trump districts are where we will see the most gains in congressional elections I would imagine.

Are you serious? Ossoff underperformed Clinton he lost by 3.2 points while clinton lost by 1 point
Quist who ran a populist campaign got 44% of the vote while Clinton got 35% Quist got 9% more than clinton while Ossoff lost by 2.2% more if anything this shows that left populist candidates are more effective than fiscally moderate candidates like Ossoff and Clinton

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Are you serious? Ossoff underperformed Clinton he lost by 3.2 points while clinton lost by 1 point
Quist who ran a populist campaign got 44% of the vote while Clinton got 35% Quist got 9% more than clinton while Ossoff lost by 2.2% more if anything this shows that left populist candidates are more effective than fiscally moderate candidates like Ossoff and Clinton

You completely missed the premise of my argument.

The premise of my argument is that Trump vs Clinton is not a usual election in the sense of Republican vs Democrat.

Clinton underperformed very hard among poorer americans in comparison to other Democrats. Trump underperformed very hard among richer americans in comparison to other Republicans. Their coalitions overlap about 90% with the standard person of their party, but that 10% makes a big difference in elections.

This means that using the 2016 vote to judge results in 2018 congressional / senate elections is a bit misleading.

GA-06 is a wealthy and highly educated district. This kind of district loves standard Republicans. This kind of district hates Trump. Tom Price won by 22 in this district; Trump only won by 1.5.

I go to school near this district. I was bombarded with ads for this district. Trust me, this district is not friendly to the typical Democrat. Hillary vs Trump was a special case.

That said, I understand you want to see more progressive voices in the democrat party. That's great. I think running progressives in WWC areas that were formerly friendly to Democrats like in Michigan, Wisconsin, PA, Ohio, etc. could be a very effective strategy. But I'm telling you, running a progressive in a rich republican friendly district like GA-06 is a bad idea.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Source:

INCOME

2016 election (+2.1 hillary):


2012 election (+3.9 obama):



EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT

2016 election


2012 election

Notice how Obama did significantly better than Hillary among poorer americans, whereas Hillary did better than Obama among richer.

Another divide between the two elections is educational attainment. Hillary did better among college graduates, but worse among less than college graduated.

[AtorBoltox]

I know OP is probably a joke, but if Manchin somehow actually was nominated enjoy watching millennial and minority turnout absolutely crash and the Green party surge in support.

[Lord Admirale]

I know OP is probably a joke, but if Manchin somehow actually was nominated enjoy watching millennial and minority turnout absolutely crash and the Green party surge in support.

See, you guys keep threatening us like "oh I'm gonna vote for crazy Jill Stein if the Democratic nominee isn't 100% socialist," and its really like how a spoiled child pouts when their parents don't buy them something they want. Would you rather have a moderate Democrat or a conservative Republican in the White House?

Also, have fun watching minority turnout crash if Sanders is the nominee.