Politico: FBI, Homeland Security call Antifa "domestic terrorists"

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Hey, Trump administration, your fascism is showing.

This happened under Obama.

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Three points.


First, classifying people who engage in violence only when smashing fascists as 'domestic terrorists' is in and of itself pretty scummy. Especially when fascist groups who openly advocate violence are not similarly labeled.

Second, the US justice system has a long habit of labeling any organized and motivated 'anti-establishment' groups as domestic terrorists. Their credibility doing so is not helped by their equally long record of infiltrating these groups to incite the violence they then use against them.

Doing the above is autocratic, repressive, and awful no matter which party is in power when it happens.

And third, it was my takeaway that while the FBI and Fatherland Security were issuing warnings about antifa under Obama, the formal label or designation of domestic terrorist was only attached after Trump assumed title (if not duties) of President. I could not find any copies of the documents Politico says they have though, so I'm not certain.

[Chief Justice Keef]

The FBI has committed more crimes than antifa

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Sounds right.

[JA]

The FBI has committed more crimes than antifa

They're only crimes when the government says they are.

[AtorBoltox]

The FBI also considered the civil rights movement to be dangerous as well, let's not forget

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

The FBI also considered the civil rights movement to be dangerous as well, let's not forget

The civil rights movement didn't use Bull Connor's playbook.

[Santander]

The FBI has committed more crimes than antifa

They're only crimes when the government says they are.

This is the dictionary definition of crime, yes.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Antifa are basically radical fringe-left thugs.  The real thing to note here is that most on the mainstream left want nothing to do with these whackos.  What I like is how Antifa tweets things like "Those on the left who call us patriots, step the f*** away" (accompanied by a picture of an American flag burning) even as they rail against the very concept of freedom of speech.  Nutjobs with no sense of irony are always fun.  

I wonder how many of those rushing to their defense are aware that the group's ideological and strategic bible refers to the first amendment as "a secondary concern" and argues that concepts such as freedom of speech and freedom of the press should be selectively applied depending upon a group or individual's political beliefs and more specifically whether or not said beliefs align with those of Antifa.  In other words, even if you're a diehard Berniecrat (or hell, even think Sanders was too conservative) who believes we need to become a truly Socialist economy with largely nationalized industries...but publicly state that you oppose political violence against those you disagree with, Antifa's ideology would dictate that you be denied freedom of speech and attacked just as violently as someone like Richard Spencer.  

If these guys weren't just incompetent clowns who are largely all talk and no action types, I'd say it was only a matter of time until they ended up killing someone.

[publicunofficial]

When Nazi's gather in public (Even under the guise of a 'Free speech rally'), people are GOING to show up to beat the sh**t out of them. That is never not going to happen.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

When Nazi's gather in public (Even under the guise of a 'Free speech rally'), people are GOING to show up to beat the sh**t out of them. That is never not going to happen.

And the law isn't – nor should it – going to give them a pass for doing so just because the people they beat up are monsters.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Well I am certainly confident that the FBI and DHS will act according to this designation with precision and care! Especially under the current administration, obviously.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Antifa are basically radical fringe-left thugs.  The real thing to note here is that most on the mainstream left want nothing to do with these whackos.  What I like is how Antifa tweets things like "Those on the left who call us patriots, step the f*** away" (accompanied by a picture of an American flag burning) even as they rail against the very concept of freedom of speech.  Nutjobs with no sense of irony are always fun.  

I wonder how many of those rushing to their defense are aware that the group's ideological and strategic bible refers to the first amendment as "a secondary concern" and argues that concepts such as freedom of speech and freedom of the press should be selectively applied depending upon a group or individual's political beliefs and more specifically whether or not said beliefs align with those of Antifa.  In other words, even if you're a diehard Berniecrat (or hell, even think Sanders was too conservative) who believes we need to become a truly Socialist economy with largely nationalized industries...but publicly state that you oppose political violence against those you disagree with, Antifa's ideology would dictate that you be denied freedom of speech and attacked just as violently as someone like Richard Spencer.  

If these guys weren't just incompetent clowns who are largely all talk and no action types, I'd say it was only a matter of time until they ended up killing someone.

Why don't antifa ever attack or disrupt liberal speakers or rallies then?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Antifa are basically radical fringe-left thugs.  The real thing to note here is that most on the mainstream left want nothing to do with these whackos.  What I like is how Antifa tweets things like "Those on the left who call us patriots, step the f*** away" (accompanied by a picture of an American flag burning) even as they rail against the very concept of freedom of speech.  Nutjobs with no sense of irony are always fun.  

I wonder how many of those rushing to their defense are aware that the group's ideological and strategic bible refers to the first amendment as "a secondary concern" and argues that concepts such as freedom of speech and freedom of the press should be selectively applied depending upon a group or individual's political beliefs and more specifically whether or not said beliefs align with those of Antifa.  In other words, even if you're a diehard Berniecrat (or hell, even think Sanders was too conservative) who believes we need to become a truly Socialist economy with largely nationalized industries...but publicly state that you oppose political violence against those you disagree with, Antifa's ideology would dictate that you be denied freedom of speech and attacked just as violently as someone like Richard Spencer.  

If these guys weren't just incompetent clowns who are largely all talk and no action types, I'd say it was only a matter of time until they ended up killing someone.

Why don't antifa ever attack or disrupt liberal speakers or rallies then?

They do? A lot of victims of antifa violence have been other counter protesters. Look at what happened to the old woman with the American flag in Boston - she was attending the counter-protest and they attacked her for having a flag.

[publicunofficial]

When Nazi's gather in public (Even under the guise of a 'Free speech rally'), people are GOING to show up to beat the sh**t out of them. That is never not going to happen.

And the law isn't – nor should it – going to give them a pass for doing so just because the people they beat up are monsters.

You're so incredibly white.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

When Nazi's gather in public (Even under the guise of a 'Free speech rally'), people are GOING to show up to beat the sh**t out of them. That is never not going to happen.

And the law isn't – nor should it – going to give them a pass for doing so just because the people they beat up are monsters.

You're so incredibly white.

I am white, yes.  I'm not sure what your point is unless you're a simply racist who considers white people inherently inferior to non-white people or something like that.

[dead0man]

Antifa are basically radical fringe-left thugs.  The real thing to note here is that most on the mainstream left want nothing to do with these whackos.  What I like is how Antifa tweets things like "Those on the left who call us patriots, step the f*** away" (accompanied by a picture of an American flag burning) even as they rail against the very concept of freedom of speech.  Nutjobs with no sense of irony are always fun. 

I wonder how many of those rushing to their defense are aware that the group's ideological and strategic bible refers to the first amendment as "a secondary concern" and argues that concepts such as freedom of speech and freedom of the press should be selectively applied depending upon a group or individual's political beliefs and more specifically whether or not said beliefs align with those of Antifa.  In other words, even if you're a diehard Berniecrat (or hell, even think Sanders was too conservative) who believes we need to become a truly Socialist economy with largely nationalized industries...but publicly state that you oppose political violence against those you disagree with, Antifa's ideology would dictate that you be denied freedom of speech and attacked just as violently as someone like Richard Spencer. 

If these guys weren't just incompetent clowns who are largely all talk and no action types, I'd say it was only a matter of time until they ended up killing someone.

Why don't antifa ever attack or disrupt liberal speakers or rallies then?

They do? A lot of victims of antifa violence have been other counter protesters. Look at what happened to the old woman with the American flag in Boston - she was attending the counter-protest and they attacked her for having a flag.

The liberal professor at Evergreen College that had the audacity to show up for work on People of Color Day was attacked by them too.

antifa is illiberal.  No liberal would defend them.  Progressives might, as they don't care as much about freedom as liberals do.  I miss the left being liberal.

[Sumner 1868]

So this:

Awesome. Drop them down an elevator shaft.

is apparently an acceptable post.

[publicunofficial]

When Nazi's gather in public (Even under the guise of a 'Free speech rally'), people are GOING to show up to beat the sh**t out of them. That is never not going to happen.

And the law isn't – nor should it – going to give them a pass for doing so just because the people they beat up are monsters.

You're so incredibly white.

I am white, yes.  I'm not sure what your point is unless you're a simply racist who considers white people inherently inferior to non-white people or something like that.

It's incredibly funny your name is Malcolm X when you're everything he hated.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

When Nazi's gather in public (Even under the guise of a 'Free speech rally'), people are GOING to show up to beat the sh**t out of them. That is never not going to happen.

And the law isn't – nor should it – going to give them a pass for doing so just because the people they beat up are monsters.

You're so incredibly white.

I am white, yes.  I'm not sure what your point is unless you're a simply racist who considers white people inherently inferior to non-white people or something like that.

It's incredibly funny your name is Malcolm X when you're everything he hated.

So you don't deny being a racist?  Good, I'm glad we got that cleared up.

[publicunofficial]

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Antifa are basically radical fringe-left thugs.  The real thing to note here is that most on the mainstream left want nothing to do with these whackos.  What I like is how Antifa tweets things like "Those on the left who call us patriots, step the f*** away" (accompanied by a picture of an American flag burning) even as they rail against the very concept of freedom of speech.  Nutjobs with no sense of irony are always fun.  

I wonder how many of those rushing to their defense are aware that the group's ideological and strategic bible refers to the first amendment as "a secondary concern" and argues that concepts such as freedom of speech and freedom of the press should be selectively applied depending upon a group or individual's political beliefs and more specifically whether or not said beliefs align with those of Antifa.  In other words, even if you're a diehard Berniecrat (or hell, even think Sanders was too conservative) who believes we need to become a truly Socialist economy with largely nationalized industries...but publicly state that you oppose political violence against those you disagree with, Antifa's ideology would dictate that you be denied freedom of speech and attacked just as violently as someone like Richard Spencer.  

If these guys weren't just incompetent clowns who are largely all talk and no action types, I'd say it was only a matter of time until they ended up killing someone.

Why don't antifa ever attack or disrupt liberal speakers or rallies then?

They beat the sh**t out of an anti racist here.

https://www.facebook.com/fusionmedianetwork/videos/1977213872564058/

[Pyro]

Bloated police state beats down on the anti-fascists? Color me surprised.

[Devout Centrist]

I agree that the idiots who go and destroy property are a detriment to society. But comparable to fascists? Certainly not.

I've been able to meet members of Phoenix Antifa and they're all rather unremarkable. They've got convictions, yes, but they're not terrorists.

[AtorBoltox]

Name one person killed by antifa.

[Silent Hunter]

Name one person killed by antifa.

How are we defining them? This particular lot or their German 1930s progenitors?