Will the left ever hate a President more than Trump?

[Tekken_Guy]

No, because it isn't a left/right divide in terms of hatred for Trump.

It's an American/un-American divide.

Yes but it's correlated heavily. Many republicans who hate him are abandoning their party and drifting leftward on several issues, like immigration or LGBT issues.

[AN63093]

LOL, yes of course.  I thought nothing could match Bush, but boy was I wrong.

Until society de-polarizes (and I don't see that happening anytime soon), whoever is the next R president will be even more hated.  And same with the Republicans and whoever the next Dem president is.  And around and around we go.

Your answer implies that Trump has done anything but justify the disdain most Americans, and not just the left as has been pointed out, have for him. That is incorrect.

To chalk up the dislike most Americans have for Trump as blind partisanship rather than his sub-piss-poor performance and rampant corruption/conflicts of interest is simply disingenuous.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.  Your post could've been been written word-for-word in 2004, just with "Trump" replaced with "Bush."  I remember it like it was yesterday.  Now in '92, things were different.  HW Bush was not nearly as hated.  '96 and '00 were pretty low-intensity elections too (though things would change quickly after the '00 election).  Before '92, I have no personal knowledge since I was too young to follow politics, although obviously election results show us the 80s were a period of relatively low polarization.

Also I'm not implying anything.  I made no comment about whether Trump justifies disdain or not.  That is purely your assumption.  I think the next R candidate will be even more disliked, and the next D candidate will be even more disliked than Obama, and the cycle will continue, on and on.  When does it end?  Hopefully soon, though I doubt it will.

[Inmate Trump]

No, because it isn't a left/right divide in terms of hatred for Trump.

It's an American/un-American divide.

Yes but it's correlated heavily. Many republicans who hate him are abandoning their party and drifting leftward on several issues, like immigration or LGBT issues.

Fine, but I would bet a good deal of those Republicans who've left would return almost as soon as he's gone and their policies may drift back to the right as well.

As for me (a former Republican voter), I honestly don't see myself ever going back. The 2016 election and this current administration have proven that the GOP is willing to get in bed with a would-be dictator for the sake of the win, and I'll never be on board with that.

[Tekken_Guy]

No, because it isn't a left/right divide in terms of hatred for Trump.

It's an American/un-American divide.

Yes but it's correlated heavily. Many republicans who hate him are abandoning their party and drifting leftward on several issues, like immigration or LGBT issues.

Fine, but I would bet a good deal of those Republicans who've left would return almost as soon as he's gone and their policies may drift back to the right as well.

As for me (a former Republican voter), I honestly don't see myself ever going back. The 2016 election and this current administration have proven that the GOP is willing to get in bed with a would-be dictator for the sake of the win, and I'll never be on board with that.

Honestly I don't think those boomerang people would move too far out leftward in the first place. These are people who will at least support some parts of Trump's agenda even if they dislike the man.

[Alabama_Indy10]

They'll hate whoever the sitting president is if it's a republican in office

And the same for the right if it's a Democrat.

The seeming toxicity of American political culture means that whoever the incumbent president happens to be will be the devil incarnate to side that they are not on.

I agree with this

[Bismarck]

Yes of course. The next GOP president will have them saying "at least Trump pretended to care about the issues of working people" or what have you. They will talk about how the new GOP president is worse than Trump.

[Burke Bro]

I'd like to say no. To put it shortly, Democrats really, really don't like Donald Trump. His approval rating is astronomically low among Democrats (<10%). They've virtually unilaterally against him.

But hey, you never know what the future might hold.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I'd like to say no. To put it shortly, Democrats really, really don't like Donald Trump. His approval rating is astronomically low among Democrats (<10%). They've virtually unilaterally against him.

But hey, you never know what the future might hold.

Bush is approvals with Democrats were also lower than 10%.

[DavidB.]

They'll hate whoever the sitting president is if it's a republican in office

Ding ding ding. The next Republican in office will be demonized just as much, and then they will say Trump wasn't actually so bad. Everything to fire up the base.

[HisGrace]

Sure, the current Republican base is perfectly capable of finding someone even suckier to be president. Richard Spencer/Alex Jones/David Duke 2024 anyone?

Unless we get a big realigning election that leads to a period of Dem dominance like in the 30's/40's, or even like Republican dominance of presidential elections 68-88, we're going to have to live with alternating between a liberal Democrat and a racist idiot being president on 8 years cycle. There are Republicans who aren't racist idiots, but they're RINO cucks who are out of touch with the base. I disagree with the Democrats on plenty, particularly on economic issues, but the Republicans are now the party of those "fine people" is Charlottesville that wants to "take you out on a stretcher" if you disagree with them.

[PragmaticPopulist]

Depends. If The GOP continues the Karl Rove strategy of playing to the base, than there probably will be a GOP president even more hated by the left. If there's a realignment/new strategy adopted by the GOP that doesn't involve such polarizing strategies, then no.

[Badger]

LOL, yes of course.  I thought nothing could match Bush, but boy was I wrong.

Until society de-polarizes (and I don't see that happening anytime soon), whoever is the next R president will be even more hated.  And same with the Republicans and whoever the next Dem president is.  And around and around we go.

Your answer implies that Trump has done anything but justify the disdain most Americans, and not just the left as has been pointed out, have for him. That is incorrect.

To chalk up the dislike most Americans have for Trump as blind partisanship rather than his sub-piss-poor performance and rampant corruption/conflicts of interest is simply disingenuous.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.  Your post could've been been written word-for-word in 2004, just with "Trump" replaced with "Bush."  I remember it like it was yesterday.  Now in '92, things were different.  HW Bush was not nearly as hated.  '96 and '00 were pretty low-intensity elections too (though things would change quickly after the '00 election).  Before '92, I have no personal knowledge since I was too young to follow politics, although obviously election results show us the 80s were a period of relatively low polarization.

Also I'm not implying anything.  I made no comment about whether Trump justifies disdain or not.  That is purely your assumption.  I think the next R candidate will be even more disliked, and the next D candidate will be even more disliked than Obama, and the cycle will continue, on and on.  When does it end?  Hopefully soon, though I doubt it will.

Yes, we will have to agree to disagree on reality. I too would have written the same thing about Bush word for word, because it would have equally fit bush 8 years ago. I have nothing but ridicule for those deluded posters who genuinely somehow convince themselves that the utter disdain for Trump that goes far far far far beyond what they consider the so-called left is a result of partisanship and him having an R next to his name as opposed the fact he has been a vicious, racist, literally spawn of Satan president in everything he has ever said done or conceived, and those that he has appointed around him as well. Oh, and the entire corruption, conflicts of interest, and treason thing let's not forget.

So the Opie trying to justify the utter contempt the vast majority of Americans have for Trump's Shady performance as president asked whether or not the next Republican president will be just as despised by the left? Okay, let's answer that question with a question. Will the right-wing ever elect a president as racist, incompetent, kurupt, and all-around sh**ty As Trump? No one would have conceived that possible after W I'll admit, but good job extremists, you proved us wrong.

That's the real question here, and that should answer the original post.

[Ronnie]

The left detests Trump, to be sure, but I've noticed that Trump elicits a much more visceral sense of disgust and resentment from centrist and center-left liberals than from the socialist and even Bernie left.  I think this is the case because liberals are much more personally invested in America's image and its culture, and primarily view their struggle against the right through that prism.  Trump embodies the most hard-edged and crass elements of the American right, which makes him a particularly loathsome figure for them.

Socialists, on the other hand, place far less importance on things like the connection between patriotism/America's identity and liberal values, and the personal attributes of a president, than the tangible impact of American policy at home and abroad.  For this reason, I think many socialists would fear a competent Republican president who does not engage as vociferously in the culture wars, as much as, or even more than Trump.

[AN63093]

LOL, yes of course.  I thought nothing could match Bush, but boy was I wrong.

Until society de-polarizes (and I don't see that happening anytime soon), whoever is the next R president will be even more hated.  And same with the Republicans and whoever the next Dem president is.  And around and around we go.

Your answer implies that Trump has done anything but justify the disdain most Americans, and not just the left as has been pointed out, have for him. That is incorrect.

To chalk up the dislike most Americans have for Trump as blind partisanship rather than his sub-piss-poor performance and rampant corruption/conflicts of interest is simply disingenuous.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.  Your post could've been been written word-for-word in 2004, just with "Trump" replaced with "Bush."  I remember it like it was yesterday.  Now in '92, things were different.  HW Bush was not nearly as hated.  '96 and '00 were pretty low-intensity elections too (though things would change quickly after the '00 election).  Before '92, I have no personal knowledge since I was too young to follow politics, although obviously election results show us the 80s were a period of relatively low polarization.

Also I'm not implying anything.  I made no comment about whether Trump justifies disdain or not.  That is purely your assumption.  I think the next R candidate will be even more disliked, and the next D candidate will be even more disliked than Obama, and the cycle will continue, on and on.  When does it end?  Hopefully soon, though I doubt it will.

Yes, we will have to agree to disagree on reality. I too would have written the same thing about Bush word for word, because it would have equally fit bush 8 years ago. I have nothing but ridicule for those deluded posters who genuinely somehow convince themselves that the utter disdain for Trump that goes far far far far beyond what they consider the so-called left is a result of partisanship and him having an R next to his name as opposed the fact he has been a vicious, racist, literally spawn of Satan president in everything he has ever said done or conceived, and those that he has appointed around him as well. Oh, and the entire corruption, conflicts of interest, and treason thing let's not forget.

So the Opie trying to justify the utter contempt the vast majority of Americans have for Trump's Shady performance as president asked whether or not the next Republican president will be just as despised by the left? Okay, let's answer that question with a question. Will the right-wing ever elect a president as racist, incompetent, kurupt, and all-around sh**ty As Trump? No one would have conceived that possible after W I'll admit, but good job extremists, you proved us wrong.

That's the real question here, and that should answer the original post.

Spawn of Satan?  Was that actually just said?  LOL.  I'm reminded of why I try and stick to other forums, like demographics and 2020.  Good god, man.  Are you OK?

BTW, it's spelled "corrupt."  Not "kurupt."

[AtorBoltox]

The utter hypocrisy of republicans complaining about democrats 'partisanship' after what they did to Obama for 8 years never ceases to amuse

[OSR stands with Israel]

I think this is the case:


The Centrist, Center Left Democrats hate Trump more than Dubya and Nixon

On the other hand members of the far left hate Bush more than they hate Trump. Just look at how the host of Secular Talk reacts when democrats say they miss Bush, he just goes on a rant why Bush was worse.



Among main stream democrats these are the presidents they hate the most(since WW2):

1. Trump
2. Nixon
3. W Bush



Among Far Left Democrats and Leftist Democrats  these are the Presidents they hate the most(since WW2)

1. W Bush
2. Reagan
3. Trump

[Virginiá]

Your answer implies that Trump has done anything but justify the disdain most Americans, and not just the left as has been pointed out, have for him. That is incorrect.

To chalk up the dislike most Americans have for Trump as blind partisanship rather than his sub-piss-poor performance and rampant corruption/conflicts of interest is simply disingenuous.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.  Your post could've been been written word-for-word in 2004, just with "Trump" replaced with "Bush."  I remember it like it was yesterday.  Now in '92, things were different.  HW Bush was not nearly as hated.  '96 and '00 were pretty low-intensity elections too (though things would change quickly after the '00 election).  Before '92, I have no personal knowledge since I was too young to follow politics, although obviously election results show us the 80s were a period of relatively low polarization.

Also I'm not implying anything.  I made no comment about whether Trump justifies disdain or not.  That is purely your assumption.  I think the next R candidate will be even more disliked, and the next D candidate will be even more disliked than Obama, and the cycle will continue, on and on.  When does it end?  Hopefully soon, though I doubt it will.

I think you're discounting the effect Trump's character attributes have. I hate Bush in different ways than Trump, but he could never live up to the personal disgust I have for the donald. I mean it's not even close. No one should like a person who treats people as bad as Trump does. For gods sakes, he was making fun of a disabled reporter on live TV. Or how about over a dozen sexual assault cases. Or attacking federal judges and calling them unfit because they are Hispanic. Or looking at a 10 year old girl and joking "I'll be dating her in 10 years." Or defrauding hundreds of people, some out of everything they have, with a scam university. I mean the list goes on and on and on. It's like Trump was designed in a lab to be as offensive and disgusting as possible. I don't think I've ever seen an American politician so morally bankrupt and of such low character.

More and more as time goes on, I feel like people are forgetting about all that stuff. I don't think it's fair to chalk up hate of those^ things (and thus Trump) to partisanship. Any decent person should abhor that kind of behavior.

[Mr. Smith]

Duh! Polarization ensures the next Republican is guaranteed to be even more hated by the left.

Also, no one was supposed to surpass Nixon once.

[tallguy23]

Lord knows. I thought we would never have a more unpopular POTUS than W but look what's happened.

[All Along The Watchtower]

The left detests Trump, to be sure, but I've noticed that Trump elicits a much more visceral sense of disgust and resentment from centrist and center-left liberals than from the socialist and even Bernie left.  I think this is the case because liberals are much more personally invested in America's image and its culture, and primarily view their struggle against the right through that prism.  Trump embodies the most hard-edged and crass elements of the American right, which makes him a particularly loathsome figure for them.

Socialists, on the other hand, place far less importance on things like the connection between patriotism/America's identity and liberal values, and the personal attributes of a president, than the tangible impact of American policy at home and abroad.  For this reason, I think many socialists would fear a competent Republican president who does not engage as vociferously in the culture wars, as much as, or even more than Trump.

^^^Well said.

[dw93]

The left will hate the next Republican President more than Trump just like Right wingers and  Republicans will hate the next Democratic President more than they hated Obama. I never thought the GOP would hate a President more than Bill Clinton until Obama got in. Once Obama got in, in the eyes of Republicans, Bill was a reasonable moderate that Obama should've strove to be like.

[GGover]

I know I won't.

I don't think I have or ever will so wholly  disliked any president (or even any politician) as I do Trump. He's personally and politically repulsive, and he's a very uninteresting human being. Even Nixon, the "worst" Republican president in recent times, had some redeeming qualities. Trump isn't affable or likable, most Americans in the center and on the left will likely never say "I think his policies are terrible, but at least he's a good guy" like they could with Bush. I guess I only said how I personally feel about Trump, but I feel like this is applicable to most non-right wingers. Maybe I'm wrong.

[HisGrace]

The left will hate the next Republican President more than Trump just like Right wingers and  Republicans will hate the next Democratic President more than they hated Obama. I never thought the GOP would hate a President more than Bill Clinton until Obama got in. Once Obama got in, in the eyes of Republicans, Bill was a reasonable moderate that Obama should've strove to be like.

If the next Dem president is a white guy a lot of people will hate him less than Obama by default.