The Hofoid House of Absurd & Ignorant Posts VII

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Abortion is good; your signature is bad.

This isn't the Simple Truths thread.

Not a simple truth

Regardless of your beliefs vis-a-vis women's liberation, the human soul, what we call life, etc., it's hard to dispute that heavy instances of abortion are a negative sociological indicator, comparable in social (again, not moral) terms to narcotics abuse, alcoholism, suicide, etc. in this regard.

[YE]

I hope Lively wins because if he does, this race moves all the way from Safe R to Safe D.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

I hope Lively wins because if he does, this race moves all the way from Safe R to Safe D.

Why does that post bother you so much?

[Florida Man for Crime]

Every day when I look at the approval thread and a lot of other posts on here, I notice that some posters seem to be pining for Trump's approval ratings to go up.

My question is, what exactly would be so appealing about a rise in Trump's numbers? His approvals rising by any significant amount (i.e. more than a rise of a few points) would likely only be possible with a horrendous 9/11 style mass destruction terrorist attack or Pearl Harbor type attack by a foreign government causing a rally-around-the-flag effect. Attacks against America such as Pearl Harbor in 1941 and 9/11 in 2001 were pretty terrible times to live through as an American citizen, and I'd think most people are old enough to at least remember the latter.

It just seems more and more to me that Trump supporters are rooting for misery, failure, and mass scale death of their fellow citizens in America simply because they like Trump that much. That doesn't make you much of a citizen if you ask me.

Trump supporters, why do you hate America and want your fellow citizens to die?

I disagree with the above argument and would agree that it is absurd and ignorant. The reason I posted it was to illustrate the absurdity and ignorance of the following post that was posted before it:

Every day when I look at the approval thread and a lot of other posts on here, I notice that many posters seem to be pining for Trump's approval ratings to plummet into the 20s a la Nixon or GWB at the end of their administrations. Stability in the polls seems to frustrate people, as if their lives are made worse by Trump's approval remaining in the 40s.

My question is, what exactly would be so appealing about a collapse in Trump's numbers? His approvals falling to catastrophic levels would likely result in congressional gridlock, economic downfall, and a weaker position on the world stage. Eras such as 1974 and 2008 were pretty terrible times to live through as an American citizen, and I'd think most people are old enough to at least remember the latter.

It just seems more and more to me that Trump detractors are rooting for misery and failure in America simply because they hate the party in control that much. That doesn't make you much of a citizen if you ask me.

If you think that either of these arguments is absurd and ignorant, then you ought to think that the other one is as well.

[fhtagn]

Every day when I look at the approval thread and a lot of other posts on here, I notice that some posters seem to be pining for Trump's approval ratings to go up.

My question is, what exactly would be so appealing about a rise in Trump's numbers? His approvals rising by any significant amount (i.e. more than a rise of a few points) would likely only be possible with a horrendous 9/11 style mass destruction terrorist attack or Pearl Harbor type attack by a foreign government causing a rally-around-the-flag effect. Attacks against America such as Pearl Harbor in 1941 and 9/11 in 2001 were pretty terrible times to live through as an American citizen, and I'd think most people are old enough to at least remember the latter.

It just seems more and more to me that Trump supporters are rooting for misery, failure, and mass scale death of their fellow citizens in America simply because they like Trump that much. That doesn't make you much of a citizen if you ask me.

Trump supporters, why do you hate America and want your fellow citizens to die?

I disagree with the above argument and would agree that it is absurd and ignorant. The reason I posted it was to illustrate the absurdity and ignorance of the following post that was posted before it:

Every day when I look at the approval thread and a lot of other posts on here, I notice that many posters seem to be pining for Trump's approval ratings to plummet into the 20s a la Nixon or GWB at the end of their administrations. Stability in the polls seems to frustrate people, as if their lives are made worse by Trump's approval remaining in the 40s.

My question is, what exactly would be so appealing about a collapse in Trump's numbers? His approvals falling to catastrophic levels would likely result in congressional gridlock, economic downfall, and a weaker position on the world stage. Eras such as 1974 and 2008 were pretty terrible times to live through as an American citizen, and I'd think most people are old enough to at least remember the latter.

It just seems more and more to me that Trump detractors are rooting for misery and failure in America simply because they hate the party in control that much. That doesn't make you much of a citizen if you ask me.

If you think that either of these arguments is absurd and ignorant, then you ought to think that the other one is as well.

I already outlined on your thread why wanting President Trump to fail is hypocritical for Democrats to do. He's not exactly wrong on some of the consequences we'd be looking at if his approvals fell to catastrophic levels.

Say what you will about the President, I'm certainly no supporter of his, nor am I a defender of everything he does, but wanting him to fail so you can get a President from a party you like in 2020 is stupid.

[Fuzzy Bear]

hated white folks,

Sure, I hate you. Please feel free to reference that fact.

[Fuzzy Bear]

So, yes, I've made my binary choice,

Well, you are choosing to destroy the lives of your own children.

Why was this guy not permabanned?

[Fuzzy Bear]

Ok. Let me make a serious statement, for once.

1. I, actually, understand where the Trump support is coming from. Yes, there are many people in the US who feel that "the elites" are usurping the power, do not care about them, do not share their values, etc. I, of course, do not share those sentiments, but I do see how this can be a strong feeling.

2. This feeling is not limited to the US, of course. In fact, in much of the world the same feeling of impotent rage against the elites that many Americans feel domestically is directed against all Americans as a group. Aren't Americans the worldwide "elite"? Many Russians, for instance, would, as a matter of course, answer in the affirmative. The world, in their worldview, is governed by the "Washington obkom".

3. Of course, there are no real elites governing the world. Society is a complex organism, and no group of people can control or direct it. Nor is there a cohesive group with alligned interests that could try to do so. The world, really, is a lot more chaotic than many people suppose.

4. Miraculously, this chaos over the last 70 years has been, at least in the "first world", resolved without major conflagrations that had been the norm for most of our history, and remain the norm in many places till now. This has been achieved, in great part, because after the catastrophe of the two world wars societies converged to some modicum of political and social moderation. They say that Mexicans are so polite (and Mexican conventions are those of exaggerated politeness) because 100 years ago an impolite word could have resulted in shooting. In a sense, the same has been true of our societies in general. We could continue to think whatever we thought of those not like us (be that socially, ethnically, religiously, racially or whatever) but we tended to hold our mouths under some control. Having survived the World Wars nobody was willing to risk provoking them anew.

5. Well, this is, increasingly, no longer the case. The generation which survived the wars is gone. Their children do not understand where the politeness conventions are coming from: they think these are elite plots to subdue the straight-talking simple folk.

6. Trump has done away with courtesies of the recent decades and his supporters love it. Well, I view my role here as educational. I am performing, of course and I am being nasty and offensive. I do this for a reason. You have insisted on taking away the veneer of civilization that has maintained peace. Well, live with it. Smell the urine. Alas, unless we collectively recoil, soon we all will be smelling blood.

Yes, I am scared. And I am screaming.

You make is sound as if Donald Trump is the key to all problems facing the world

No, not Trump. Trump's supporters. The are the "deplorables". Trump is a run-of-the-mill scoundrel. His supporters are much worse.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Hillary is scum honest for showing such contempt and loathing for millions of hard working, tax paying Americans with this deplorable prepared text. scum

Corrected.

There was a post stating that this guy was a mod during the 2016 campaign.  Wowsers!

[Fuzzy Bear]

Hillary is scum for showing such contempt and loathing for millions of hard working, tax paying Americans with this deplorable prepared text.
Her so called apology is laughable.  She apologizes in percentages.
No wonder 2/3 of Americans don't trust Hillary.  
She may as well spend three days recovering because all she's been doing lately is hobnobbing with her multi-millionaire friends on Wall Street, with her hedge fund manager friends, raising money, and viscously attacking and demeaning millions of ordinary, hard working Americans, while her multi-millionaire friends on Wall Street laugh, and hobnobbing with multi-millionaire extreme leftist Hollywood actors.
Perhaps she can spend her down time erasing e-mails and writing more speeches viscously attacking ordinary, hard working, tax paying Americans.

What would you call people who are racist, sexist, homophobic, etc ?
They are obviously deplorable .... and that is a "mild" description of these people, compared to what I would call them.
No really .... I want you to answer the question .... What would you call these type of people ?
Give me a word or two to describe them.

Let me ask you what is more deplorable; a person uncomfortable with unfettered illegal immigration, or Bill Clinton who uses his position to get sex from young women while married?  
Hillary Clinton called 25% of America as "deplorable".  That's what she did.  And it's what she thinks.  And why they're "deplorable" is because they find both her and her husband deplorable and have a coherent argument to make in that regard.  Truthfully, this comment is far more reprehensible than Romney's 47% comment, or Obama's "clinging to guns and religion" comment; those comments were, at least to some degree, observations.  Hillary Clinton went way beyond that; she cast a judgement on a huge number of folks she doesn't know, and doesn't like, all because they don't like her.  "Out of the wellsprings of the heart, the mouth speaks."   This standard has been applied to Donald Trump.  It's time it be applied to Hillary Clinton.  Oddly enough, this is one of the most candid and honest statements she's made in all of her pubic life.

Once again Fuzzy, you twist reality and certain words to fit your "comfort" religious life that you so claim to boast about (in another thread).
What do I mean by "twisting" :

1) Hillary did not call "a person uncomfortable with unfettered illegal immigration" as deplorable.
She called those specific individuals that are racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.
People can be "uncomfortable" about our current "illegal immigration" policies, and be good individuals with these concerns. They are NOT deplorables.
So stop twisting words and descriptions, to try and make it sound like the target of Clinton's statement includes the entire population of the planet.

2) Clinton almost immediately corrected herself and said that her "half" (50%) estimate of trump supporters, was incorrect. It is obviously smaller, but don't be fooled ..... the number of deplorables is still quite large among trump followers.

3) If you require a visual to get it through your thick-skull on EXACTLY who the deplorables are within trump's cult, WATCH THIS VIDEO :
http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004533191/unfiltered-voices-from-donald-trumps-crowds.html

4) I don't condone anything that Bill Clinton did with other women. It is not anything I would support now, nor back then. (You see, I can at least tell the truth. Unlike you.)

Conclusion: You probably went to Church yesterday, but you need to attend again, tonight. You are obviously telling half-truths and being deceitful in your words, and thus are not honest with yourself or us. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Fuzzy Bear]

When I heard about the Mitt 47% speech in 2012 I was very disappointed and upset about it.  It was a terrible decision to even give this speech, and this speech should never have been made.

Mitt's statements and Mitt himself deserved to be criticized and condemned for sure, and they were, relentlessly, but I personally do not believe that Mitt's statements were degrading or vitriolic and were certainly not hateful like the statements made by Hillary about certain sectors of the American public.

Fair enough, although I think calling someone "scum" based on one statement they quickly walked back is a little unempathetic itself.  I'm a big believer in the idea that no one should be all about the worst thing they ever said/did.

I agree with this. We all make mistakes. Sometimes we say things in anger or are impaired (alcohol). I admit I have done this before (many moons ago), and later feel guilt. But it's usually a word or two, not going on-and-on throwing racist/sexist/bigoted bombs at someone.
And I have NEVER conducted myself anything close to what we see at some trump rallies. Watch this video if you want to see examples of this type of disgusting conduct: http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004533191/unfiltered-voices-from-donald-trumps-crowds.html
Only a person who consistently spews hatred (empasis added) towards others should be labeled as in "the basket."

Wowsers!

[Fuzzy Bear]

Because slamming as moochers the poor and the elderly is the same as slamming the racists, homophobes and anti-semites who are Trump's base.

Yeah, really. Romney seemed to cement himself as a heartless plutocrat with that comment, but Clinton here is just calling people out for what seems to be obvious, at least if you go by people at his rallies and polls showing the absurd beliefs of a sizable number of Trump supporters.

Plus, going by the numbers, she only really insulted like 20% of Americans, which is probably lowballing it in terms of # of sexists/racists/xenophobes/etc, whereas Romney basically said 47% of Americans were poor moochers that he didn't really care about appealing to.

I don't hold that comment against her at all. I'm actually slightly glad a politician didn't attempt to gloss over the fact that a large portion of our country are indeed bigoted assholes. I sure as hell am not making excuses for those people.

So which am I?

I'm a 59 year old father of 3, including an 11 year old special needs grandson my wife and I have adopted due to problems with his parents I'll not discuss here.

We attend a church that is conservative, but well-integrated.  My wife and I are stably employed stably in respectable occupations.  We're by no means rich, and the last decade has been tough, economically, but we work, pay taxes, and obey laws.  We have a conservative Biblical worldview on social issues, but a recognition that free market capitalism has not worked well for millions of Americans.  We make no bones about the fact that we believe that only through the blood of Jesus Christ can a person be saved; there are no two, three, or sixty paths to Eternal Life.

We've voted for Democrats and Republicans over the last 20 years.  We've been Obama voters and Bush voters.  I'm a union member, but I'm also a parent for whom the public school system has abysmally failed our youngest child, and for whom McKay Scholarships (which Teacher Unions oppose) has been an absolute Godsend for our son.  He is physically small, and was bullied at his school, which public school officials did nothing about.  So you can see how I'm of two minds on a number of things.

So where do I fit in here?  Am I deplorable?

Given your past questionable posts.....yes you are a deplorable.

I've had 10 posts reported and 1 post moderated when I suggested that another poster needed to find a relationship.  (Someone else suggested that poster "get laid" and it's still standing.

I hope folks read this and think about why Hillary lost.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Fuzzy is right. Hillary losing wasn't just a reflection of her - it also was a statement about those who enthusiastically supported her. I'm specifically talking about the Democrats who voted for Hillary over Bernie in the primary.

[Virginiá]

I've had 10 posts reported and 1 post moderated when I suggested that another poster needed to find a relationship.  (Someone else suggested that poster "get laid" and it's still standing.

I hope folks read this and think about why Hillary lost.

To be fair, no one ever reported it, and that board was moving fast enough at that point in the election that it's not reasonable to expect a moderator to just stroll by and delete it on their own. If I was moderating that board at that time and I saw it or saw a report on it, I'd have deleted it (I deleted it now for that reason)

[Fuzzy Bear]

I've had 10 posts reported and 1 post moderated when I suggested that another poster needed to find a relationship.  (Someone else suggested that poster "get laid" and it's still standing.

I hope folks read this and think about why Hillary lost.

To be fair, no one ever reported it, and that board was moving fast enough at that point in the election that it's not reasonable to expect a moderator to just stroll by and delete it on their own. If I was moderating that board at that time and I saw it or saw a report on it, I'd have deleted it (I deleted it now for that reason)

I wasn't complaining that the post was still standing.  I mentioned that to make another point.

[fhtagn]

I've had 10 posts reported and 1 post moderated when I suggested that another poster needed to find a relationship.  (Someone else suggested that poster "get laid" and it's still standing.

I hope folks read this and think about why Hillary lost.

To be fair, no one ever reported it, and that board was moving fast enough at that point in the election that it's not reasonable to expect a moderator to just stroll by and delete it on their own. If I was moderating that board at that time and I saw it or saw a report on it, I'd have deleted it (I deleted it now for that reason)

I wasn't complaining that the post was still standing.  I mentioned that to make another point.

lol, I still ain't even sorry for saying it. I wasn't wrong

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Hate to break it to you, but a Dem House will have little power if the Senate stays Republican. I'll  even go as far as to say a Dem House may be a poisoned chalice...it will give Trump a scapegoat if the economy goes sour in 2019-2020. Be careful what you wish for...

[world.execute(me)]

This is literally a slightly changed description of Nazi Germany you guys. 

Runeghost confirmed fascist appeaser

Wars is general are bad news and the default should always be to avoid them. Truly defensive wars are an exception, and very seldom a matter of choice.

The fascists in both Germany and Japan declared war on the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_against_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_declaration_of_war_on_the_United_States_and_the_British_Empire

It's always amusing when someone attempting insults demonstrates their own ignorance.

[Santander]

Half gay, don't really feel like visiting those places just because they aren't places I really want to go.

[Politician]

Tester is over. Move on, Dems. The rural collapse continues unless they wise up and change their ways.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Maybe people will actually be able to afford a living now.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Maybe people will actually be able to afford a living now.

That post was not serious.
I should have made it clear when I initially posted it, so I made a mistake there.

[America Needs R'hllor]

This whole thread:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=299867.msg6380571#new

Atlas, it seems, is way worse than I thought when it comes to loving nazi defenders (who also happen to hate immigrants and be extremely corrupt). I'm really disappointed in several posters there who seemingly would be willing to sacrifice the Jewish people on the altar of populism.

[world.execute(me)]

Evangelicals probably having a laugh right now.

This comment would not be tolerated if it were about a kid bullied for carrying his Bible to school and the author speculated that LGBT groups were celebrating.

What THIS Evangelical Christian would note is that the child is nine (9) years old, under the Biblical age of responsibility.  My Bible tells me that this tragic child is now in Heaven, with Jesus forever, never to suffer again, because of the price Jesus paid on Calvary.

What I WOULD wonder is why a 9 year old would be in this position?  How did a child like this get to be someone who "knew" they were "gay" at an age where they're not supposed to know about sex?You'll forgive me for skepticism of the "I just knew when I was 9 . . . " argument (although I don't deny the sincerity of those sharing those accounts).  Maybe I'm missing something, but this sort of thing (a 9 year old committing suicide over being bullied for "being gay") is something that I'm not going to just take at face value.  This isn't something that just happens every day.  Kids can be cruel, and taunts can be damaging to a 9 year old, and kids do taunt kids in the manner described.  It's the idea of a 9 year old "knowing" he's gay and an age where he shouldn't be thinking about sex that doesn't compute with me.

Context: a nine year old boy committing suicide for being gay.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

The left-wing position on this: It's sad he's dead. People shouldn't have made fun of him for being gay.

The right-wing position on this: It's sad he's dead. His parents shouldn't have molested him. It's also messed up that the media will help them cover up their crimes because they came up with an excuse that furthers the PC narrative.

Literally no one is happy that this kid is dead though. It's a tragedy no matter what your political views.