UK General Discussion: 2017 and onwards, Mayhem

[DavidB.]

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Definitely the statement Corbyn wants to make right now… does the Labour leadership think "if you're stuck in a hole, keep digging" was intended as a recommendation? At this point it's as if they actively embrace where they've gotten and just don't care anymore.

[IceAgeComing]

This isn't actually a new policy; its an old Miliband-era policy that they've decided to talk about today for some reason.

[windjammer]

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Definitely the statement Corbyn wants to make right now… does the Labour leadership think "if you're stuck in a hole, keep digging" was intended as a recommendation? At this point it's as if they actively embrace where they've gotten and just don't care anymore.

I know you're against it or you used to be, but how recognizing Palestine is controversial?

[Silent Hunter]

Israel has said that recognising Palestine before a peace deal is signed harms the chances of such a peace deal.

[DavidB.]

I know you're against it or you used to be, but how recognizing Palestine is controversial?

It's common among social democratic parties to advocate for it, but it still definitely is "controversial", seeing as Sweden is the only Western European country whose government has recognized it...

This isn't actually a new policy; its an old Miliband-era policy that they've decided to talk about today for some reason.

I know. Still seems like doubling down on their insistence to not give a damn about Jews, given the current AS crisis. It wouldn't have mattered if Corbyn was not horrible on AS and spoke out about the legitimacy of Israel's existence. But these remaks weren not made in a vacuum.

[Blair]

Jeremy Corbyn is not a communist ffs

He can call himself whatever he likes, it doesn't change the fact he surrounds himself with people who are. Murray officially is, Milne is in all but name, and until recently McDonnell was far more outspoken about his communist sympathies and miraculously finds himself at rallies in front of soviet flags. The list goes on.

That and there doesn't appear to be a communist dictator he doesn't like.  It is just a usual tactic of the extreme to brand oneself as more centrist than they actually are.  Hence the “He cares more about social issues” bollocks.

Well yes McDonell spoke at a May Day rally because he’s John McDonnell.

I just don’t understand why you ranting about a lack of public understanding of JCs view on Europe when you then went out to make a riddious ideological statement- Corbyn isn’t a communist, he isn’t even a Bennite but that’s all ideological semantics.

[IceAgeComing]

I mean there is also a tax border on the Scottish border as well so if we're going down that route...

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Jeremy Corbyn is not a communist ffs

That and there doesn't appear to be a communist dictator he doesn't like.

Xi Jinping?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

This is about as expected, or as should have been expected. She never had much of a constituency within the party and her initial election was a fluke.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

This is about as expected, or as should have been expected. She never had much of a constituency within the party and her initial election was a fluke.

It was widely reported when she first won, Plaid might extend their appeal to non-welsh speakers as Wood isn't a native welsh speaker but that didn't happen...

Note that no one in Wales thought this.

[Silent Hunter]

The Balfour Declaration? How?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

A couple of welsh journalists made that point in twitter when Leanne won Plaid leadership

Like all journalists these days they are idiots and do not count

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Leighton Andrews was a controversial and unpopular incumbent, there were some issues with the local council (there's a tendency, still, to view the Assembly almost as a layer of local government), and Wood had all the media profile that comes with being a party leader and which usually has a big impact the first time round.

[PSOL]

Just in, even Reuters is doubting wether nationalization of the Royal Mail is a bad idea

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-royal-mail-outlook-breakingviews/breakingviews-royal-mails-strategy-gets-lost-in-the-post-idUSKCN1MC132

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[PSOL]

The UK is renouncing citizenship of a people they forced out of their lands decades ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/02/uk-threatens-to-deport-grandchildren-of-evicted-chagossians
The British government just keeps expelling people out of their homes.

[Silent Hunter]

Royal Mail privatisation was a huge mistake architected by Vince cable,
most voters were against at the time, even tory voters were against it, voters were right as usual..

Two-thirds of public oppose Royal Mail sell-off
Labour, Lib Dem and UKIP supporters oppose the sell-off by majorities of 78%-11%, 72%-17% and 76%-18%, respectively. Conservative voters are less opposed, but still tend to oppose the plans by 48%-40%.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/07/11/two-thirds-public-oppose-royal-mail-sell/

Yep, service has definitely got worse there since privatisation.

[PSOL]

Uber union strikes for higher wages.
https://apnews.com/5b106c3811d244c99ed8adabca6395e7
Wish we had something like this here.

Oh yeah there is also trillions at risk in contracts, paraphrasing from the Central Bank
https://apnews.com/76be64a192524464b75d08a91b5a4e9d/UK-central-bank-warns-EU-of-risk-to-trillions-in-contracts

[EPG]

^^ experts experts ....

Neither Maguire nor Staines the drink-driving, gay-slurring, Nevis-taxed stain is an expert, but a pair of hacks.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Britain's gay cake case has come to a conclusion.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-45789759

It was a narrow decision since this wasn't a wedding cake but a cake expressing political support for legal SSM. Since it was a political cake rather than a personal cake, the UK Supreme Court ruled that Ashers didn't have to bake the cake.

[Silent Hunter]

Our judges are appointed by the PM from the recommendations of an independent panel; she can only reject two candidates and if so the third is appointed.

[Tintrlvr]

Britain's gay cake case has come to a conclusion.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-45789759

It was a narrow decision since this wasn't a wedding cake but a cake expressing political support for legal SSM. Since it was a political cake rather than a personal cake, the UK Supreme Court ruled that Ashers didn't have to bake the cake.

I think this is a fair distinction. I am okay permitting people to refuse to bake cakes with explicitly political messages. But the mere fact that a cake is for a same-sex marriage (and maybe has rainbows or a same-sex couple on it) does not make it a cake with a political message.

[EPG]

The Conservatives have decided what voters really like about Labour is factionalism.

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[EPG]

What does a Conservative leadership change even look like?

If it's not contested, there is no change from the current situation
If it's a contested election, the winning candidate almost immediately outlines their Brexit plan, and 15 to 50 C&U MPs vote against it.
One way it could work would be a contested election, which yields a leader who agrees to whatever Corbyn asks for. Only an election can produce that radical mandate, not a coronation. Then you probably have a full minority government which betrayed its confidence and supply partner.

[Silent Hunter]

At the end of the day, I just want to go in the quicker queue in passport control.

[parochial boy]

So if the transition period is definitely on, why the hurry to get a deal agreed now?

[Silent Hunter]

So if the transition period is definitely on, why the hurry to get a deal agreed now?

It needs to be ratified before March.