Do you approve of Trump's decision to renegotiate the Paris Agreement?
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  Do you approve of Trump's decision to renegotiate the Paris Agreement?
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« on: June 01, 2017, 04:07:50 PM »

I approve. This is an America Third agreement that allows countries such as India to increase fossil fuel use. However, I believe it is essential that we actually get a new or modified agreement and do not simply ignore the climate.
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2017, 04:18:33 PM »

No - he should have used it as a negotiating tactic to get other things
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2017, 04:43:27 PM »

This isn't renegotiating so much as setting the world on fire.
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2017, 04:45:27 PM »

It depends what the conditions of the re-negotiation are. 
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2017, 04:55:16 PM »

No - he should have used it as a negotiating tactic to get other things

This, if I'm being charitable.
I approve. This is an America Third agreement that allows countries such as India to increase fossil fuel use. However, I believe it is essential that we actually get a new or modified agreement and do not simply ignore the climate.

Mr. Coal has a change of heart? Since when?
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2017, 05:13:55 PM »

Option 4.
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2017, 05:28:52 PM »

Absolutely not. Worst decision of the Trump Administration so far imo.
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2017, 08:34:57 PM »

It really depends on how he renegotiates it. If he is going to attempt to put further regulations and restrictions specifically on India, it's wrong-headed. India isn't a huge beneficiary of this, and it's economic growth will help weaken our dependence on countries far worse on human rights and democracies.

TL;DR: Don't push India, push basically every other country who gets to increase use of harmful fossil fuels and etc. 
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2017, 08:37:00 PM »

It really depends on how he renegotiates it. If he is going to attempt to put further regulations and restrictions specifically on India, it's wrong-headed. India isn't a huge beneficiary of this, and it's economic growth will help weaken our dependence on countries far worse on human rights and democracies.

TL;DR: Don't push India, push basically every other country who gets to increase use of harmful fossil fuels and etc. 

Tbf if we want to support human rights and democracy we should do a better job setting an example here at home of a functioning democracy that supports human rights. This administration isn't doing a great job of that.
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2017, 08:43:47 PM »

No.

This is one of the few things he can do without having to go through Congress or the Courts. He is literally doing this for sh**ts and giggles and to feed his ego.
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2017, 08:47:09 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2017, 08:53:52 PM »

Corporal Combover isn't "renegotiating" anything, He has zero credibility and almost no leverage.
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2017, 09:09:09 PM »

Trump, standing strong with Assad's Syrian regime and Nicaragua in not signing. And Nicaragua didn't sign because it didn't like that there were no penalties and, hell, I bet Assad would have signed it too.
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2017, 09:11:21 PM »

Trump, standing strong with Assad's Syrian regime and Nicaragua in not signing. And Nicaragua didn't sign because it didn't like that there were no penalties and, hell, I bet Assad would have signed it too.

Nicaragua didn't sign because the agreement was too watered down. So Trump and Nicaragua are not standing together. And Syria didn't sign because of their civil war.
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2017, 09:34:54 PM »

Trump, standing strong with Assad's Syrian regime and Nicaragua in not signing. And Nicaragua didn't sign because it didn't like that there were no penalties and, hell, I bet Assad would have signed it too.

Nicaragua didn't sign because the agreement was too watered down. So Trump and Nicaragua are not standing together. And Syria didn't sign because of their civil war.

Sounds like you didn't read what I posted, like at all.
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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2017, 10:05:38 PM »

It depends what the conditions of the re-negotiation are. 

Seriously, what do you think they could be?
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2017, 02:22:29 AM »

It really depends on how he renegotiates it.

There's not gonna be a renegotiation.
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2017, 09:01:13 AM »

He's doing this to keep his working class base intact for 2020.
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2017, 09:09:05 AM »

Option 4 (sane)
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2017, 09:34:59 AM »

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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2017, 09:49:27 AM »

Disapprove and of course I did not support him.

It's not just the climate alone that I'm concerned of, it's also that in the new field of green energy other like China will fill the vacuum left by the US. This is bad for the world. However, the fact that not just Democratic states and cities resist the Trump Admin, it is also encouraging that many big companies are continuing their efforts against climate change. Even ExxonMobil and others.
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2017, 10:22:17 AM »

100% indifferent to what happens to a completely symbolic measure.
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2017, 10:27:31 AM »

Option 3
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2017, 10:46:31 AM »

In a dark way it's probably for the best, because it probably galvanises climate opposition to him on a state/local/business level and makes his administration more isolated. It would probably have been more dangerous if he did the Japan/Australia solution of making frowny faces, saying "we are very concerned about climate change" and then doubling down on locking in future emissions while using the Paris agreement as a figleaf.

I mean, it's partially because trump is an idiot who doesn't know how to make alliances but the world has changed since a decade or so ago, when climate change was exclusively the preserve of a few rich European countries who were mostly going down symbolic, often wasteful routes anyway. Back then China was going on a coal bananza and it was basically assumed that India, SE Asia and Africa etc would be immediately following if they had any chance to develop (and there was a lot of resentment between developing and developed countries on the issue). With that sort of environment, there could easily be loose alliance developing of soft denialists - big Asian manufacturers like China, Korea and Japan; fossil fuel producers like Australia, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Canada; transitioning economies like Turkey, Indonesia and Vietnam that could ally with the Bush administration to stymie the half baked and often hypocritical initiatives of Europe. Nowadays though a lot of though has changed. Climate change is less of a "western issue" and awareness and activism has spread around the world, which means this is an issue that won't be put to bed by trump's pigheaded nature.
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2017, 01:52:43 PM »

Disapprove, would approve if the renegotiated deal was significantly more powerful,  which won't happen.
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