Will Generation Z be more conservative?

[Associate Justice PiT]

Whites, DEFINITELY. Rural whites, 100%. Everybody else, probably not.

Pretty much what I think. It's not a coincidence  to see young white teens nowadays with this haircut:



Also people with large followings like PewDiePie don't just put Nazi and antisemetic undertones into their videos for no reason. He just happens to know his audience very, very well and is tapping into those sentiments for views.

     If the goal were to appeal to the rising tide of National Socialism among Generation Z, mocking Nazis would be a lousy way to go about it. They're not the kind of folks who can handle being the butt of a joke.

[Beet]

Generation Z may be more conservative than Millennials, but this poll above is from the UK, not the US. Since these are issues that have moved to the left recently, Generation Z likely has a different reference point for some of them, such as transgender rights. To a Baby Boomer, a "liberal" position on transgender rights might be, accept transgender people as the gender they want to be called, whereas to a Generation Z person, it might be, No Platform anyone who claims that ciswomen have a different experience than transwomen. To a Baby Boomer, supporting the legalization of gay marriage might be a liberal position, whereas for a Generation Z member, it might be a moderate position. In support of this theory, here is a source that claims that 80 percent of Gen Z'ers support gay marriage, which is quite high (albeit focusing on the oldest Gen Z cohort). We would have to ask about discrete issue positions to get a definite answer.

Also, the methodology this poll is somewhat suspect, as it found only 2% and 1% of Millennials and Gen X'ers have a conservative stance on these issues, only 2% of Millennials and 6% of Gen Xers hate tattoos and body modifications. Just from personal experience, body modifications have always been somewhat polarizing among Millennials. My guess is, if you take a group of people who have less familiarity with certain issues and haven't thought about them much, and present them with five categories, it's going to be very hard to get any of the five down to 1%, 2%, or 5%. Someone who is not too familiar with an issue, as the youngest cohort are more likely to be, might conceivably put moderate just to be safe. Which is not to say that these results aren't valid, just that it might not be as dramatic as it seems.

[LLR]

Whites, DEFINITELY. Rural whites, 100%. Everybody else, probably not.

Pretty much what I think. It's not a coincidence  to see young white teens nowadays with this haircut:



Also people with large followings like PewDiePie don't just put Nazi and antisemetic undertones into their videos for no reason. He just happens to know his audience very, very well and is tapping into those sentiments for views.

Come on, dude. PewDiePie isn't exactly watched by 20%+ of their generation. Can we stop with the overgeneralizations?

This entire thread is filled with over generalizations. That's what happens when you start a thread asking whether or not a generation where the oldest members aren't even 18 yet will be more conservative or not.

Most of my experience with these kids online and in person points to a significantly more conservative group, especially among the white youth. But even some of the Hispanic and Asian kids seem to also have nationalist tendencies so yeah.

My experience with them/us online has been through here, and I think there's a ton of lefty teenagers here with few righties.

Leftists: Me, OneJ, Peebs, NeverAgain, JTC, SWE...

Right-wingers: DPKDebator? Abraham Washington? No clue.

Granted, Atlas is weird, but most of the leftists are suburban and straight, so it can't be either of those factors...

[kyc0705]

As a high school senior, I know a lot of people on the border between Millennials and Generation Z. And among those who are political, they do seem to be more conservative, but not religious. Secular, conservative libertarianism would be a good way to describe it. Even those who are left-wing on economic issues tend to view social liberalism as too touchy-feely in a lot of respects.

However, contrary to some claims made in this thread, I don't believe that there will be a sudden upswing in people my age who wear armbands and make forty-five degree salutes.

[Goldwater]

I wouldn't be surprised if (white) Gen Z members turn out to be somewhat less uniformly liberal than Millennials, but the idea that there is this upcoming generation of Nazi's is laughable.

[Technocracy Timmy]

   If the goal were to appeal to the rising tide of National Socialism among Generation Z, mocking Nazis would be a lousy way to go about it. They're not the kind of folks who can handle being the butt of a joke.

I think the neo Nazi sites actually celebrated PewDiePie when they realized what he had been doing. To them they don't care if he's joking around or not, he's "redpilling future generations" in their eyes.

[Beet]

In the meantime, the youngest Millennial college freshmen continue to be quite liberal. From the American Freshman 2015:

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https://www.heri.ucla.edu/monographs/TheAmericanFreshman2015.pdf

[Technocracy Timmy]

In the meantime, the youngest Millennial college freshmen continue to be quite liberal. From the American Freshman 2015:

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The one thing that gives me hope for Generation Z is the fact that more will be going to college than millennials. Hopefully that'll straighten them up. Professors better be ready for racial realist questions during their lectures.

[Horus]

Yes, somewhat, but the idea that they're full of Nazis is pretty stupid. I do see them being a bit more likely to only date within their own race, though, for what it's worth.

[Associate Justice PiT]

   If the goal were to appeal to the rising tide of National Socialism among Generation Z, mocking Nazis would be a lousy way to go about it. They're not the kind of folks who can handle being the butt of a joke.

I think the neo Nazi sites actually celebrated PewDiePie when they realized what he had been doing. To them they don't care if he's joking around or not, he's "redpilling future generations" in their eyes.

     Yeah, and these people are delusional. I don't particularly care what they think about him, or anyone else for that matter.

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I'm confused, is this suggesting that Gen Z is more socially conservative?  I figured that Gen Z would be nationalistic but very socially liberal/irreligious.

[I Won - Get Over It]

Generation Z may be more conservative than Millennials, but this poll above is from the UK, not the US. Since these are issues that have moved to the left recently, Generation Z likely has a different reference point for some of them, such as transgender rights. To a Baby Boomer, a "liberal" position on transgender rights might be, accept transgender people as the gender they want to be called, whereas to a Generation Z person, it might be, No Platform anyone who claims that ciswomen have a different experience than transwomen. To a Baby Boomer, supporting the legalization of gay marriage might be a liberal position, whereas for a Generation Z member, it might be a moderate position. In support of this theory, here is a source that claims that 80 percent of Gen Z'ers support gay marriage, which is quite high (albeit focusing on the oldest Gen Z cohort). We would have to ask about discrete issue positions to get a definite answer.

In Europe the left-right scale becomes more and more absolute.

Taxes/Gay/Abortion/Women/Universal Healthcare is not the borderline now. Immigration/Multiculturalism/View on Establishment/Law&Order is.

So it is Nationalism vs Multiculturalism now.

https://www.axios.com/the-millennial-surge-fueling-europes-right-wing-populism-2306239035.html

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USA lags, but Trump can change it. His views are pretty liberals, but policies are not (yet?) (cause he needs Republicans). There is no way he wins reelection without a good Health Care.

[Beet]

Generation Z may be more conservative than Millennials, but this poll above is from the UK, not the US. Since these are issues that have moved to the left recently, Generation Z likely has a different reference point for some of them, such as transgender rights. To a Baby Boomer, a "liberal" position on transgender rights might be, accept transgender people as the gender they want to be called, whereas to a Generation Z person, it might be, No Platform anyone who claims that ciswomen have a different experience than transwomen. To a Baby Boomer, supporting the legalization of gay marriage might be a liberal position, whereas for a Generation Z member, it might be a moderate position. In support of this theory, here is a source that claims that 80 percent of Gen Z'ers support gay marriage, which is quite high (albeit focusing on the oldest Gen Z cohort). We would have to ask about discrete issue positions to get a definite answer.

In Europe the left-right scale becomes more and more absolute.

Taxes/Gay/Abortion/Women/Universal Healthcare is not the borderline now. Immigration/Multiculturalism/View on Establishment/Law&Order is.

So it is Nationalism vs Multiculturalism now.

https://www.axios.com/the-millennial-surge-fueling-europes-right-wing-populism-2306239035.html

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USA lags, but Trump can change it. His views are pretty liberals, but policies are not (yet?) (cause he needs Republicans). There is no way he wins reelection without a good Health Care.

In the UK, young people overwhelmingly supported Remain. It may be more of a difference between the Anglosphere and continental Europe.

[Technocracy Timmy]

I'm confused, is this suggesting that Gen Z is more socially conservative?  I figured that Gen Z would be nationalistic but very socially liberal/irreligious.

There's some statistic that shows 44% of gen z attends church. I'm not sure if the number is that high though. Many are probably forced to go by their parents.

One thing I have noticed is that religiosity and politics is almost flipped with this generation. The conservatives are more culturally conservative/nationalist and secular whereas the liberals see Jesus as a socialist/liberal type figure and their faith reinforces their economic views. This isn't always the case, but it's more pronounced with these teens than older generations.

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I'm confused, is this suggesting that Gen Z is more socially conservative?  I figured that Gen Z would be nationalistic but very socially liberal/irreligious.

There's some statistic that shows 44% of gen z attends church. I'm not sure if the number is that high though. Many are probably forced to go by their parents though.

One thing I have noticed is that religiosity and politics is almost flipped with this generation. The conservatives are more culturally conservative/nationalist and secular whereas the liberals see Jesus as a socialist/liberal type figure and their faith reinforces their economic views

Part of the reason for higher church attendance could be immigration.

[Technocracy Timmy]

I'm confused, is this suggesting that Gen Z is more socially conservative?  I figured that Gen Z would be nationalistic but very socially liberal/irreligious.

There's some statistic that shows 44% of gen z attends church. I'm not sure if the number is that high though. Many are probably forced to go by their parents though.

One thing I have noticed is that religiosity and politics is almost flipped with this generation. The conservatives are more culturally conservative/nationalist and secular whereas the liberals see Jesus as a socialist/liberal type figure and their faith reinforces their economic views

Part of the reason for higher church attendance could be immigration.

True. A large number of gen z are Hispanic and they're probably very catholic.

Also conservative whites tend to be more religious and outbreed liberal whites so their gen z kids are also going to church.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

I'm confused, is this suggesting that Gen Z is more socially conservative?  I figured that Gen Z would be nationalistic but very socially liberal/irreligious.

There's some statistic that shows 44% of gen z attends church. I'm not sure if the number is that high though. Many are probably forced to go by their parents though.

One thing I have noticed is that religiosity and politics is almost flipped with this generation. The conservatives are more culturally conservative/nationalist and secular whereas the liberals see Jesus as a socialist/liberal type figure and their faith reinforces their economic views

Part of the reason for higher church attendance could be immigration.

True. A large number of gen z are Hispanic and they're probably very catholic.

Also conservative whites tend to be more religious and outbreed liberal whites so their gen z kids are also going to church.

Or it could be that their parents are religious and make them go to church and they are not "very Catholic" themselves

[Technocracy Timmy]

I'm confused, is this suggesting that Gen Z is more socially conservative?  I figured that Gen Z would be nationalistic but very socially liberal/irreligious.

There's some statistic that shows 44% of gen z attends church. I'm not sure if the number is that high though. Many are probably forced to go by their parents though.

One thing I have noticed is that religiosity and politics is almost flipped with this generation. The conservatives are more culturally conservative/nationalist and secular whereas the liberals see Jesus as a socialist/liberal type figure and their faith reinforces their economic views

Part of the reason for higher church attendance could be immigration.

True. A large number of gen z are Hispanic and they're probably very catholic.

Also conservative whites tend to be more religious and outbreed liberal whites so their gen z kids are also going to church.

Or it could be that their parents are religious and make them go to church and they are not "very Catholic" themselves

I think this is quite likely. Although generally speaking the Hispanic kids of this generation seen to he more devout than the white kids. All of the Hitchens-atheist level youth I've met were all white.

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I'm confused, is this suggesting that Gen Z is more socially conservative?  I figured that Gen Z would be nationalistic but very socially liberal/irreligious.

There's some statistic that shows 44% of gen z attends church. I'm not sure if the number is that high though. Many are probably forced to go by their parents though.

One thing I have noticed is that religiosity and politics is almost flipped with this generation. The conservatives are more culturally conservative/nationalist and secular whereas the liberals see Jesus as a socialist/liberal type figure and their faith reinforces their economic views

Part of the reason for higher church attendance could be immigration.

True. A large number of gen z are Hispanic and they're probably very catholic.

Also conservative whites tend to be more religious and outbreed liberal whites so their gen z kids are also going to church.

Or it could be that their parents are religious and make them go to church and they are not "very Catholic" themselves

I think this is quite likely. Although generally speaking the Hispanic kids of this generation seen to he more devout than the white kids. All of the Hitchens-atheist level youth I've met were all white.

This is why I predict that the types of atheists who go out of their way to argue with religious people will become Republicans.  Ten years ago their hatred was focused on rural conservatives.  Today their hatred is often focused on immigrants (especially Muslims).

[Technocracy Timmy]

This is why I predict that the types of atheists who go out of their way to argue with religious people will become Republicans.  Ten years ago their hatred was focused on rural conservatives.  Today their hatred is often focused on immigrants (especially Muslims).

This what I think will start happening over these next couple decades as well. A realignment that positions the democrats as the Party of working class whites and minorities would effectively position the GOP as being the more secular, nonreligious Party in order to appeal to fiscally centrist and socially liberal college educated whites, suburbanites and upscale minorities. The northern strategy as you called it.

Hell you even saw this with Christopher Hitchens. A self described Marxist and anti-theist who sided with the neoconservatives on the Iraq war because stopping the spread of what he called "islamofascism" was more important.

[Virginiá]

What happens if Trump fails miserably as president?

Were 2 months in and he hasnt accomplished anything. What happens when there is no wall, no jobs coming back, etc and rural America continues to decline?

This is a big part of my opinion. How well Trump does will affect how these young people who are currently at least open to Republicans behave politically in the future. If Trump bombs really bigly, whether it be through a recession and/or mass corruption, then he could completely stain the GOP's brand among these young kids. I'd argue that he is far more likely to do that than he is to "turn everything around" and make the GOP shine.

From a partisan perspective, I'm not overly concerned. If Republicans went from winning 36% of 18-29 year olds to winning 41%, it's not that big of a deal. That's why Democrats pulling such huge margins among these generation(s) is so damaging to the GOP. It makes it hard to recover.

[Classic Conservative]

An example of this arguement, is a kid in my class named Mike, he's a 3rd Generation American whose ancestors are from Lebanon. Earlier this year, we were having a discussion in class about gay marriage. He said, "I don't believe in gay marriage because, I'm Catholic." He also never attends church, and when he does he's a C&E Catholic and also attends on Ash Wednesday. A lot of people in my generation, who are socially conservative but they aren't religious. They use their parents' faith, to back up their beliefs, because they don't like different people than them. This is especially common amongst young male white kids, who only care about ending feminism, stopping abortion, kicking out the illegals, banning the 'PC Culture' and stopping the Muslims. In total, they aren't religious, but they use their faith they were raised in to back up their opinions.

[Technocracy Timmy]

This is why I predict that the types of atheists who go out of their way to argue with religious people will become Republicans.  Ten years ago their hatred was focused on rural conservatives.  Today their hatred is often focused on immigrants (especially Muslims).

This what I think will start happening over these next couple decades as well. A realignment that positions the democrats as the Party of working class whites and minorities would effectively position the GOP as being the more secular, nonreligious Party in order to appeal to fiscally centrist and socially liberal college educated whites, suburbanites and upscale minorities. The northern strategy as you called it.

Hell you even saw this with Christopher Hitchens. A self described Marxist and anti-theist who sided with the neoconservatives on the Iraq war because stopping the spread of what he called "islamofascism" was more important.

Um, with all due respect, have you ever spent considerable time in a WWC area? The people in those kinds of communities are almost exactly how Bannon's Brigade described the irreligious social conservatives. The kinds that only go to church when it's convenient (Ash Wednesday, Christmas, and Easter). This is true across the Midwest, and the Northeast. College-educated people tend to have higher rates of church attendance by far. Paradoxically, they're also more secular than WWC's as a whole, but I would also say somewhat more religious and spiritual than the WWC. It's just that the college educated people who go to church tend to not be the "once-a-year" types.

WWC people are more socially conservative than college educated whites.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/religion-and-education-explain-the-white-vote/amp/

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This is why I predict that the types of atheists who go out of their way to argue with religious people will become Republicans.  Ten years ago their hatred was focused on rural conservatives.  Today their hatred is often focused on immigrants (especially Muslims).

This what I think will start happening over these next couple decades as well. A realignment that positions the democrats as the Party of working class whites and minorities would effectively position the GOP as being the more secular, nonreligious Party in order to appeal to fiscally centrist and socially liberal college educated whites, suburbanites and upscale minorities. The northern strategy as you called it.

Hell you even saw this with Christopher Hitchens. A self described Marxist and anti-theist who sided with the neoconservatives on the Iraq war because stopping the spread of what he called "islamofascism" was more important.

I don't know if Democrats are going to win back working class whites any time soon.  But I do think that college educated whites will trend Republican once the nationalist message is carried by a more respectable standard-bearer than the orange one.  Evangelicals will continue to favor the GOP, but not with much enthusiasm, and turnout among this demographic will plummet.  The Democrats will make up for losing white voters with the growing minority population.

Hitchens was ahead of his time I guess.  If you look at a lot of the YouTube channels that attack Islam, a lot of them started out making fun of Christianity.

[I Won - Get Over It]

In the UK, young people overwhelmingly supported Remain. It may be more of a difference between the Anglosphere and continental Europe.

Good point.

But still the borderline in politics is not typical left/right issues anymore (in Europe).

I don't know if Democrats are going to win back working class whites any time soon.  But I do think that college educated whites will trend Republican once the nationalist message is carried by a more respectable standard-bearer than the orange one.

This!