German Federal Election 2017

[ApatheticAustrian]

Yeah, the glorification of Angela Merkel by American liberals is the ultimate proof of their shallowness.

i raged against her for 8 years, before realizing that she also pisses off all the right people.

after a decade she should ofc be replaced, i am just not happy to accept EVERY kind of replacement.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah, the glorification of Angela Merkel by American liberals is the ultimate proof of their shallowness.

i raged against her for 8 years, before realizing that she also pisses off all the right people.

"He/she pisses off the right people" is one of the most inane rationales for supporting anyone ever.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Well, Angela Merkel is the best possible kind of CDU Chancellor leftists can ever hope for. It's almost like having John Kasich or Jon Huntsman as U.S. president.

But at the end, she's still CDU of course. (And I agree that 12 years in office are enough.)

[ApatheticAustrian]

"He/she pisses off the right people" is one of the most inane rationales for supporting anyone ever.

you are totally right but as a principled center-lefter like myself, i wouldn't be able to see miss merkel as the anti-thesis to my wishes..... she is - truhfully - the most liberal chancellor germany has ever had.

[Cassius]

This is one of the few instances where the Atlas results are much better than the expected actual results.

The far right getting 23% of the vote is SO great

Exactly!

Just out of curiosity, David, would you still support the AfD if they advocated for the sterilization of Jewish children? Or are you only okay with the dehumanization of innocents when it happens to brown people?

Many Jews are brown of course...

[Middle-aged Europe]

It seems with the current results there are only two coalitions possible at the moment :

1) SPD-Left-Greens

2) SPD-CDU-Greens-FDP

Possible coalitions under the current results (ranked in the order I think Martin Schulz would prefer them):

1) SPD-Greens-FDP

2) SPD-CDU/CSU-Greens

3) SPD-Left-Greens

4) SPD-CDU/CSU-FDP

[Kingpoleon]

SPD-Greens-FDP would be really great, especially if FDP is the second most numerous and has enough votes to swing it to CDU/CSU.

[Middle-aged Europe]

SPD-Greens-FDP would be really great, especially if FDP is the second most numerous and has enough votes to swing it to CDU/CSU.

A SPD-Greens-FDP coalition wouldn't even come into existence in the first Placebo, if there is a CDU/CSU-SPD majority.

CDU/CSU and FDP not having a majority is a basic precondition for SPD-Greens-FDP.

[Kingpoleon]

SPD-Greens-FDP would be really great, especially if FDP is the second most numerous and has enough votes to swing it to CDU/CSU.

A SPD-Greens-FDP coalition wouldn't even come into existence in the first Placebo, if there is a CDU/CSU-SPD majority.

CDU/CSU and FDP not having a majority is a basic precondition for SPD-Greens-FDP.

So a one seat majority with CDU/CSU is preferable to a twenty seat majority with SPD and Greens?

[All Along The Watchtower]

This is one of the few instances where the Atlas results are much better than the expected actual results.

The far right getting 23% of the vote is SO great

Exactly!

I genuinely do not understand how anyone of Jewish background (let alone, anyone with a shred of basic human decency) can embrace the European far-Right (more specifically, the German far-Right - some deeply dark irony there). And no, this is not some concern trolling from me; I'm honestly perplexed by this, unless it is in fact you who's trolling here.

[mencken]

This is one of the few instances where the Atlas results are much better than the expected actual results.

The far right getting 23% of the vote is SO great

Exactly!

I genuinely do not understand how anyone of Jewish background (let alone, anyone with a shred of basic human decency) can embrace the European far-Right (more specifically, the German far-Right - some deeply dark irony there). And no, this is not some concern trolling from me; I'm honestly perplexed by this, unless it is in fact you who's trolling here.

Presently being shot by Muslim immigrants at a supermarket is a higher probability for European Jews than being herded onto a train to Auschwitz.

Also, as far as I know, the parties David (and myself) back are not the ones endorsing anti-Semitism. We are not cheerleaders for thugs like Jobbik, Golden Dawn, or the National Democratic Party. The parties we back would not be out of the mainstream of the US Republican Party (although some disembrained people here and elsewhere would also say that that is a neo-Nazi organization)

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

SPD

[White Trash]

This is one of the few instances where the Atlas results are much better than the expected actual results.

The far right getting 23% of the vote is SO great

Exactly!

I genuinely do not understand how anyone of Jewish background (let alone, anyone with a shred of basic human decency) can embrace the European far-Right (more specifically, the German far-Right - some deeply dark irony there). And no, this is not some concern trolling from me; I'm honestly perplexed by this, unless it is in fact you who's trolling here.

The AFD isn't really that far-right.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

This is one of the few instances where the Atlas results are much better than the expected actual results.

The far right getting 23% of the vote is SO great

Exactly!

I genuinely do not understand how anyone of Jewish background (let alone, anyone with a shred of basic human decency) can embrace the European far-Right (more specifically, the German far-Right - some deeply dark irony there). And no, this is not some concern trolling from me; I'm honestly perplexed by this, unless it is in fact you who's trolling here.

The AFD isn't really that far-right.

wrong!

[ApatheticAustrian]

The AFD isn't really that far-right.

which AFD at which time?

[MAINEiac4434]

The AFD isn't really that far-right.

which AFD at which time?

The Alternative for Dumbledore. It's actual quite a progressive faction in the Ministry of Magic.

[Intell]

This is one of the few instances where the Atlas results are much better than the expected actual results.

The far right getting 23% of the vote is SO great

Exactly!

I genuinely do not understand how anyone of Jewish background (let alone, anyone with a shred of basic human decency) can embrace the European far-Right (more specifically, the German far-Right - some deeply dark irony there). And no, this is not some concern trolling from me; I'm honestly perplexed by this, unless it is in fact you who's trolling here.

The AFD isn't really that far-right.

It really is, I'm hoping you didn't vote for them.

[mencken]

This is one of the few instances where the Atlas results are much better than the expected actual results.

The far right getting 23% of the vote is SO great

Exactly!

I genuinely do not understand how anyone of Jewish background (let alone, anyone with a shred of basic human decency) can embrace the European far-Right (more specifically, the German far-Right - some deeply dark irony there). And no, this is not some concern trolling from me; I'm honestly perplexed by this, unless it is in fact you who's trolling here.

Presently being shot by Muslim immigrants at a supermarket is a higher probability for European Jews than being herded onto a train to Auschwitz.

Also, as far as I know, the parties David (and myself) back are not the ones endorsing anti-Semitism. We are not cheerleaders for thugs like Jobbik, Golden Dawn, or the National Democratic Party. The parties we back would not be out of the mainstream of the US Republican Party (although some disembrained people here and elsewhere would also say that that is a neo-Nazi organization)

"I would NEVER support Nazi thugs!" says a poster named "mencken" who supports sterilizing refugee children. What a f-cking joke.

Citation?

[mencken]

This is one of the few instances where the Atlas results are much better than the expected actual results.

The far right getting 23% of the vote is SO great

Exactly!

I genuinely do not understand how anyone of Jewish background (let alone, anyone with a shred of basic human decency) can embrace the European far-Right (more specifically, the German far-Right - some deeply dark irony there). And no, this is not some concern trolling from me; I'm honestly perplexed by this, unless it is in fact you who's trolling here.

Presently being shot by Muslim immigrants at a supermarket is a higher probability for European Jews than being herded onto a train to Auschwitz.

Also, as far as I know, the parties David (and myself) back are not the ones endorsing anti-Semitism. We are not cheerleaders for thugs like Jobbik, Golden Dawn, or the National Democratic Party. The parties we back would not be out of the mainstream of the US Republican Party (although some disembrained people here and elsewhere would also say that that is a neo-Nazi organization)

"I would NEVER support Nazi thugs!" says a poster named "mencken" who supports sterilizing refugee children. What a f-cking joke.

Citation?

Let me amend the aforementioned post:

"I would NEVER support Nazi thugs!" says a poster named "mencken" who somehow doesn't consider the sterilization of refugee children to be a deal-breaker. What a f-cking joke."

Way to take that statement completely out of context. The Saxon parliamentarian who asked the question was incredulous that German taxpayers' money could be wasted on such services for refugees, not advocating for such acts to be performed involuntarily:

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[SNJ1985]

AfD, enthusiastically

[Grey Owl]

AfD. If I had voted 15 or 20 years ago, I would have voted for CDU/CSU, but these days it is simply impossible. I mean, who am I supposed to vote for if I consider Chancellor Merkel’s immigration policy insane?

[Phony Moderate]

So looking at the shift in the real-life polls is it accurate to say that many German voters have long been looking for an excuse to vote the CDU out, but have only just found one?

[ApatheticAustrian]

AfD. If I had voted 15 or 20 years ago, I would have voted for CDU/CSU, but these days it is simply impossible. I mean, who am I supposed to vote for if I consider Chancellor Merkel’s immigration policy insane?

a democratic party like FDP for starters.

[DavidB.]

AfD. If I had voted 15 or 20 years ago, I would have voted for CDU/CSU, but these days it is simply impossible. I mean, who am I supposed to vote for if I consider Chancellor Merkel’s immigration policy insane?

a democratic party like FDP for starters.

How is the FDP's view on immigration even remotely different from the CDU's?