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Perhaps some sort of combined long name that can casually be referred to as either? I recall someone else suggesting "the Northern Union of Franklin."

[Kingpoleon]

Perhaps some sort of combined long name that can casually be referred to as either? I recall someone else suggesting "the Northern Union of Franklin."

That was me, and it is a good compromise in my opinion.

[Poirot]

i'd suggest we start with a principle vote between bicameral, unicameral, or modified-universal (the proposal i made in poirot's thread)

I am copying evergreen's proposal from the discussion thread:

a very-out-of-the-box idea i wanted to float is a weighted universal legislature.

at each election, citisens would write-in a ranked list of candidates, and the votes in the legislature would be weighted accordingly.

some examples:

- if everyone wrote in themselves, with no lower preferences, the result would be equivalent to a normal universal legislature.

- if the results were like this:

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and all three people voted on a bill, cinyc's and truman's votes would count for 3 each and rgn's would count for 1. but if rgn didn't vote, truman's vote would count for 4, and so on.

the advantage of such a system is that activity requirements are unnecessary and that a balance can be struck between citisen involvement and not overburdening uninterested citisens.

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^In a period of relative inactivity, I wouldn't want one or two people to be making all the decisions.

I stand by the half at-large/half districted unicameral legislature plan.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

^In a period of relative inactivity, I wouldn't want one or two people to be making all the decisions.

I stand by the half at-large/half districted unicameral legislature plan.

i feel that would actually be less likely in a modified-universal system where anyone can butt in than in a traditional legislature. didn't classic conservative have a long run as the only active pacific legislator or something?

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

I do hope this Committee sticks with Franklin.  Anything other than just "The North."  Come on, guys...

[cinyc]

I do hope this Committee sticks with Franklin.  Anything other than just "The North."  Come on, guys...

I believe naming the region anything other than a neutral, descriptive term like North will lead to interminable fights on renaming the region something else year after year, and lead to the idiotic renaming of individual states, like in the old Midwest.  I don't want to start down that road.

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I do hope this Committee sticks with Franklin.  Anything other than just "The North."  Come on, guys...

I believe naming the region anything other than a neutral, descriptive term like North will lead to interminable fights on renaming the region something else year after year, and lead to the idiotic renaming of individual states, like in the old Midwest.  I don't want to start down that road.

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[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

I do hope this Committee sticks with Franklin.  Anything other than just "The North."  Come on, guys...

I believe naming the region anything other than a neutral, descriptive term like North will lead to interminable fights on renaming the region something else year after year, and lead to the idiotic renaming of individual states, like in the old Midwest.  I don't want to start down that road.

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Weak argument.  Then I can personally lobby year after year for a name that isn't so ridiculously boring. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Perhaps some sort of combined long name that can casually be referred to as either? I recall someone else suggesting "the Northern Union of Franklin."

Really, this is probably the best compromise.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Perhaps some sort of combined long name that can casually be referred to as either? I recall someone else suggesting "the Northern Union of Franklin."

Really, this is probably the best compromise.

it's a bit clunky, imo. i can see "the union north" or something similar, but three components is pushing it.

anyways, in regards to cinyc's argument:

I do hope this Committee sticks with Franklin.  Anything other than just "The North."  Come on, guys...

I believe naming the region anything other than a neutral, descriptive term like North will lead to interminable fights on renaming the region something else year after year, and lead to the idiotic renaming of individual states, like in the old Midwest.  I don't want to start down that road.

is that necessarily a bad thing? it'd certainly be a driver of activity.

[cinyc]

anyways, in regards to cinyc's argument:

I do hope this Committee sticks with Franklin.  Anything other than just "The North."  Come on, guys...

I believe naming the region anything other than a neutral, descriptive term like North will lead to interminable fights on renaming the region something else year after year, and lead to the idiotic renaming of individual states, like in the old Midwest.  I don't want to start down that road.

is that necessarily a bad thing? it'd certainly be a driver of activity.

Activity for activity's sake is not a virtue.  I'd rather we debate substantive bills than debate the name of the region over and over and over again.

[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

^In a period of relative inactivity, I wouldn't want one or two people to be making all the decisions.

I stand by the half at-large/half districted unicameral legislature plan.

This will ensuresa better representation. Seconded

[cinyc]

^In a period of relative inactivity, I wouldn't want one or two people to be making all the decisions.

I stand by the half at-large/half districted unicameral legislature plan.

This will ensures a better representation. Seconded

I'm worried that one party will capture all the seats if we only have 2 at-large and 3 district (or even 3 AL and 2 district) reps, though.  The fewer at-large or one-person seats we have, the more likely that is to happen.

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^In a period of relative inactivity, I wouldn't want one or two people to be making all the decisions.

I stand by the half at-large/half districted unicameral legislature plan.

This will ensures a better representation. Seconded

I'm worried that one party will capture all the seats if we only have 2 at-large and 3 district (or even 3 AL and 2 district) reps, though.  The fewer at-large or one-person seats we have, the more likely that is to happen.

I thought you only wanted five seats in the legislature?

[cinyc]

^In a period of relative inactivity, I wouldn't want one or two people to be making all the decisions.

I stand by the half at-large/half districted unicameral legislature plan.

This will ensures a better representation. Seconded

I'm worried that one party will capture all the seats if we only have 2 at-large and 3 district (or even 3 AL and 2 district) reps, though.  The fewer at-large or one-person seats we have, the more likely that is to happen.

I thought you only wanted five seats in the legislature?

I do.  But I'm concerned that the more we split seats, the more likely it is that whatever is the largest party in the region will win all the seats.  That's why I'm on the fence about the district thing.

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^In a period of relative inactivity, I wouldn't want one or two people to be making all the decisions.

I stand by the half at-large/half districted unicameral legislature plan.

This will ensures a better representation. Seconded

I'm worried that one party will capture all the seats if we only have 2 at-large and 3 district (or even 3 AL and 2 district) reps, though.  The fewer at-large or one-person seats we have, the more likely that is to happen.

I thought you only wanted five seats in the legislature?

I do.  But I'm concerned that the more we split seats, the more likely it is that whatever is the largest party in the region will win all the seats.  That's why I'm on the fence about the district thing.

I'd still prefer seven total legislators, which would largely solve your problem if you'd be willing to support that plan. Even if not, though, the way the STV system works essentially prevents one party from winning all of the seats in a contested election, so at least one of the at-large representatives should be from the minority party (at least two if we have four at-large and three districts).

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

The period for nominations having expired, we will now proceed with a principle vote. Please rank the following options in order of preference. Voting will last 24 hours or until a majority has been reached.

(NOTE: In question 2, "legislature" refers to any body vested with the legislative authority of the Region, whether that be an elected assembly, a universal congress of all citizens, or any other arrangement.)

OFFICIAL BALLOT

Question 1: What should be the official name of the northern Region?
[   ] The Commonwealth of Franklin
[   ] The North
[   ] The Northern Union of Franklin
[   ] Write-in:
Question 2: What should be the system of government for the northern Region?
[   ] Executive and Legislature
[   ] Write-in:

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What about the compromise name that Kingpoleon introduced?

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

What about the compromise name that Kingpoleon introduced?

Did he introduce it? It wasn't clear to me if he was making a formal proposal or just musing.

I'll add it to the ballot, but I would appreciate it if y'all would be explicit about these things in the future.

[cinyc]

OFFICIAL BALLOT

Question 1: What should be the official name of the northern Region?
[   ] The Commonwealth of Franklin
[1] The North
[   ] The Northern Union of Franklin
[   ] Write-in:
Question 2: What should be the system of government for the northern Region?
[1] Executive and Legislature
[   ] Write-in:

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

OFFICIAL BALLOT

Question 1: What should be the official name of the northern Region?
[ 3 ] The Commonwealth of Franklin
[ 2 ] The North
[ 4 ] The Northern Union of Franklin
[ 1 ] Write-in: The Union North
Question 2: What should be the system of government for the northern Region?
[   ] Executive and Legislature
[   ] Legislature only
[ 1 ] Write-in: depends on the kind of legislature

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OFFICIAL BALLOT

Question 1: What should be the official name of the northern Region?
[   ] The Commonwealth of Franklin
[1] The North
[2] The Northern Union of Franklin
[   ] Write-in:
Question 2: What should be the system of government for the northern Region?
[1] Executive and Legislature
[   ] Write-in:

[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

OFFICIAL BALLOT

Question 1: What should be the official name of the northern Region?
[   ] The Commonwealth of Franklin
[1] The North
[2] The Northern Union of Franklin
[   ] Write-in:
Question 2: What should be the system of government for the northern Region?
[1] Executive and Legislature
[   ] Write-in:

[Kingpoleon]

OFFICIAL BALLOT

Question 1: What should be the official name of the northern Region?
[2] The Commonwealth of Franklin
[3] The North
[1] The Northern Union of Franklin
[   ] Write-in:
Question 2: What should be the system of government for the northern Region?
[1] Executive and Legislature
[   ] Write-in: