Northern Regional Committee

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

So to clarify what class of senators are we electing?

we have "The finisher elected first or with the most surplus shall take the longer Senate term.", doesn't that cover it?

[cinyc]

So to clarify what class of senators are we electing?

In my proposal, both, in one election.  The second-place finisher gets the shorter term, whichever one that might be (which, as Poirot has pointed out, is unclear).  But others have objected to this formulation.

I'd prefer not to appoint anyone if we can avoid it. I think the other regions are doing it wrong.

[cinyc]

One amendment since it's getting late and people need more time to declare:

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I have an amendment to cinyc's proposed bill:

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Basically, my amendment would change the existing bill so the special election is only for one Senator (who will face reelection in August). The other Senator will be appointed by our committee and will face election later this June. My reasons for the amendment:

- One of the Senators would have to be elected again this month regardless.
- The fairest way to choose our Senators is to do so in the same way in each region.
- It would be best to have our first Senate election using the same method that later Senate elections will be held using.

Thanks!

[cinyc]

Unfriendly.  I don't think this unaccountable committee should be appointing members, no matter how short the term is.  Let the voters decide.  The other regions simply got this wrong.

Plus, I don't think it is clear that the June seat is the shorter one.  Poirot has made arguments that there is no date specified for a Senate election in the Atlasian constitution, and it's already June 1.

Given the shortness of time before the proposed election day, I move for an immediate vote on the amendment.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Very well. A vote is now open on Darthebearnc's amendment to the elections bill. Please vote AYE, NAY, or Abstain. Voting will last 24 hours or until a majority has been reached.


AYE.

[tmthforu94]

Unfriendly.  I don't think this unaccountable committee should be appointing members, no matter how short the term is.  Let the voters decide.  The other regions simply got this wrong.

Plus, I don't think it is clear that the June seat is the shorter one.  Poirot has made arguments that there is no date specified for a Senate election in the Atlasian constitution, and it's already June 1.

Given the shortness of time before the proposed election day, I move for an immediate vote on the amendment.

So with this amendment you'd be appointing someone to a 4 month term? That seems undemocratic to me - we specified in the South that the appointment would only be until another election was held later in June.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Unfriendly.  I don't think this unaccountable committee should be appointing members, no matter how short the term is.  Let the voters decide.  The other regions simply got this wrong.

Plus, I don't think it is clear that the June seat is the shorter one.  Poirot has made arguments that there is no date specified for a Senate election in the Atlasian constitution, and it's already June 1.

Given the shortness of time before the proposed election day, I move for an immediate vote on the amendment.

So with this amendment you'd be appointing someone to a 4 month term? That seems undemocratic to me - we specified in the South that the appointment would only be until another election was held later in June.

My understanding is that the appointed Class I Senator would serve three weeks, until the regular Class I election later this month. I will introduce an amendment clarifying this if Dar's amendment is adopted.

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Unfriendly.  I don't think this unaccountable committee should be appointing members, no matter how short the term is.  Let the voters decide.  The other regions simply got this wrong.

Plus, I don't think it is clear that the June seat is the shorter one.  Poirot has made arguments that there is no date specified for a Senate election in the Atlasian constitution, and it's already June 1.

Given the shortness of time before the proposed election day, I move for an immediate vote on the amendment.

So with this amendment you'd be appointing someone to a 4 month term? That seems undemocratic to me - we specified in the South that the appointment would only be until another election was held later in June.

Of course not. That's clear in the text.

I vote Aye on the amendment.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

heck nay

[tmthforu94]

Unfriendly.  I don't think this unaccountable committee should be appointing members, no matter how short the term is.  Let the voters decide.  The other regions simply got this wrong.

Plus, I don't think it is clear that the June seat is the shorter one.  Poirot has made arguments that there is no date specified for a Senate election in the Atlasian constitution, and it's already June 1.

Given the shortness of time before the proposed election day, I move for an immediate vote on the amendment.

So with this amendment you'd be appointing someone to a 4 month term? That seems undemocratic to me - we specified in the South that the appointment would only be until another election was held later in June.

Of course not. That's clear in the text.

I vote Aye on the amendment.

No it doesn't, check your attitude. Looks like Truman is going to offer an amendment to clarify, so all is good.

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lol

[Blair]

aye

[cinyc]

Nay

[Kingpoleon]

Abstain, on the grounds that I don't like the proposal, even though it appears to be the better option.

[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

Nay

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

With three votes in favor, three against, and one delegate abstaining, the amendment has fallen short of a majority and has therefore FAILED.

[cinyc]

With three votes in favor, three against, and one delegate abstaining, the amendment has fallen short of a majority and has therefore FAILED.

Okay, now what happens?  We need to pass something fairly soon, or we won't be able to hold an election this weekend.

[Blair]

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I offer this amendment; we should use the same electoral system as every other region is using for the Senate race- and the same system that we plan on using in the future

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^You can't have an IRV voting system in which multiple candidates are elected. The South and West are using IRV specifically so they only elect one Senator and appoint the other one until later this month.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

the current bill is fine

[Blair]

Ballotpedia has failed me; I withdraw the amendment

[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

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Status quo

[Blair]

Am I the only one who finds it suspect that Federalists are appointments in the regions where they're strongest- and going for elections in the North?

[cinyc]

Am I the only one who finds it suspect that Federalists are appointments in the regions where they're strongest- and going for elections in the North?

Neither evergreen nor I are federalists.  My rationale for holding only one election is that it's unclear whether someone elected in June will have to vacate the seat for a later election this month, but if they do, nobody will run for the shorter seat.  And if they don't (a very good argument can be made that if a Senator is elected in June, he or she can sit until the next election for that class (October?), we're in a better position than the other regions, who think they will have an election that might not happen.

I just don't think an unaccountable committee like this should be selecting Senators.  And, arguably, it's unconsitutional because the article setting up this committee says that we can set up the election of Senators, not the selection of senators.