Democratic Wild Western Tuesday results thread

[RJEvans]

Democrats need to have another big conference or something to reform the primary process. The crap we are dealing with tonight is utterly unacceptable.

And UT was a primary in 2008. I don't know why they would choose an undemocratic process over a primary.

[Shadows]

How are the results in Arizona coming in with 1000's still in line?

Is this absentee voting?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

How are the results in Arizona coming in with 1000's still in line?

Is this absentee voting?

Almost all the votes are early/absentee voting.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Sounds like Bernie's going all the way to California.

I don't think anyone actually expects him to drop out. I'm on the record saying he has the right to stay in as long as he likes. But the tone needs to change, he isn't winning the nomination and he needs to start helping the progressive movement in November, that includes actively raising money for campaigns other than his own and campaigning for Democrats. Him staying in can be a big positive, but still treating it like a genuinely competitive primary is a bad idea.

[Gass3268]

Democrats need to have another big conference or something to reform the primary process. The crap we are dealing with tonight is utterly unacceptable.

And UT was a primary in 2008. I don't know why they would choose an undemocratic process over a primary.

It makes no sense what so ever.

[Holmes]

Not every precinct has thousands of people waiting in line too.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Sounds like Bernie's going all the way to California.

I don't think anyone actually expects him to drop out. I'm on the record saying he has the right to stay in as long as he likes. But the tone needs to change, he isn't winning the nomination and he needs to start helping the progressive movement in November, that includes actively raising money for campaigns other than his own and campaigning for Democrats. Him staying in can be a big positive, but still treating it like a genuinely competitive primary is a bad idea.

He's still trying to win. I imagine he'll help like-minded Democrats, like Zephyr Teachout.  Although I'm sure the grassroots is already doing a lot for her.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Sounds like Bernie's going all the way to California.

I don't think anyone actually expects him to drop out. I'm on the record saying he has the right to stay in as long as he likes. But the tone needs to change, he isn't winning the nomination and he needs to start helping the progressive movement in November, that includes actively raising money for campaigns other than his own and campaigning for Democrats. Him staying in can be a big positive, but still treating it like a genuinely competitive primary is a bad idea.

He's still trying to win. I imagine he'll help like-minded Democrats, like Zephyr Teachout.  Although I'm sure the grassroots is already doing a lot for her.

He might be, that'll help the delegate margin at the end, but it won't get him the win. Math is real, just as it was for Hillary in 08, by the end of February the writing was on the wall. Regardless of good states coming, the margin couldn't be overcome. This is even more emphatic.

 

[Zioneer]

Democrats need to have another big conference or something to reform the primary process. The crap we are dealing with tonight is utterly unacceptable.

And UT was a primary in 2008. I don't know why they would choose an undemocratic process over a primary.

The Utah Democrats didn't have enough money to run a presidential primary this time.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Sounds like Bernie's going all the way to California.

I don't think anyone actually expects him to drop out. I'm on the record saying he has the right to stay in as long as he likes. But the tone needs to change, he isn't winning the nomination and he needs to start helping the progressive movement in November, that includes actively raising money for campaigns other than his own and campaigning for Democrats. Him staying in can be a big positive, but still treating it like a genuinely competitive primary is a bad idea.

He's still trying to win. I imagine he'll help like-minded Democrats, like Zephyr Teachout.  Although I'm sure the grassroots is already doing a lot for her.

He might be, that'll help the delegate margin at the end, but it won't get him the win. Math is real, just as it was for Hillary in 08, by the end of February the writing was on the wall. Regardless of good states coming, the margin couldn't be overcome. This is even more emphatic.

 

The 2008 primary had most of the states vote by the end of February. Now only half the delegates have been chosen, and those have included all of Hillary's best states.

[RI]

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[IceSpear]

Sounds like Bernie's going all the way to California.

I don't think anyone actually expects him to drop out. I'm on the record saying he has the right to stay in as long as he likes. But the tone needs to change, he isn't winning the nomination and he needs to start helping the progressive movement in November, that includes actively raising money for campaigns other than his own and campaigning for Democrats. Him staying in can be a big positive, but still treating it like a genuinely competitive primary is a bad idea.

He's still trying to win. I imagine he'll help like-minded Democrats, like Zephyr Teachout.  Although I'm sure the grassroots is already doing a lot for her.

He might be, that'll help the delegate margin at the end, but it won't get him the win. Math is real, just as it was for Hillary in 08, by the end of February the writing was on the wall. Regardless of good states coming, the margin couldn't be overcome. This is even more emphatic.

 

The 2008 primary had most of the states vote by the end of February. Now only half the delegates have been chosen, and those have included all of Hillary's best states.

And Bernie is trailing by 3x what Hillary ever did. And last time I checked, NY was one of her best states.

[Shadows]

Hillary could get indicted & anyways would drop out when the FBI finds her guilty, indictment or not.

Either ways only 50% of the states have voted, so I don't see the big deal.

If he cares about the progressive movement, then Hillary clean needs to lose in November for a real progressive to rise - The Dem party needs to have a huge temporary setback if it needs to go the right way on the long term.

Supporting a mass murderer neo con is doing so service to the progressive wing.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

CNN about to broadcast the results from THE LARGEST CAUCUS IS IN U.S HISTORY^TM in Boise, Idaho.

[Fusionmunster]

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Percentage wise, thats 69% to 31% if anyones wondering.

[The Other Castro]

So I think Sanders needs to get an average of 65% from Idaho and Utah in order to come out ahead among delegates tonight.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Hillary could get indicted & anyways would drop out when the FBI finds her guilty, indictment or not.

Either ways only 50% of the states have voted, so I don't see the big deal.

If he cares about the progressive movement, then Hillary clean needs to lose in November for a real progressive to rise - The Dem party needs to have a huge temporary setback if it needs to go the right way on the long term.

Supporting a mass murderer neo con is doing so service to the progressive wing.

For God's sake, but of course, us Hillary supporters are stupid, corrupt or plain evil aren't we? So I'm not sure why I'm bothering engaging with you.

IF the fantasy of the indictment or any other unexpected scenario emerges where Hillary cannot be the nominee, the convention will likely be open anyway.

[Gass3268]

Sounds like Bernie's going all the way to California.

I don't think anyone actually expects him to drop out. I'm on the record saying he has the right to stay in as long as he likes. But the tone needs to change, he isn't winning the nomination and he needs to start helping the progressive movement in November, that includes actively raising money for campaigns other than his own and campaigning for Democrats. Him staying in can be a big positive, but still treating it like a genuinely competitive primary is a bad idea.

He's still trying to win. I imagine he'll help like-minded Democrats, like Zephyr Teachout.  Although I'm sure the grassroots is already doing a lot for her.

He might be, that'll help the delegate margin at the end, but it won't get him the win. Math is real, just as it was for Hillary in 08, by the end of February the writing was on the wall. Regardless of good states coming, the margin couldn't be overcome. This is even more emphatic.

Yet no one questioned Clinton for taking it to the end after it was pretty much over after Obama went on his run in February and it was obviously over. I know it's over, but I think it would help everyone if every contest is contested this cycle. It totally helped in 08 by building an infrastructure for Obama.

[Senate Minority Leader Lord Voldemort]

Hillary could get indicted & anyways would drop out when the FBI finds her guilty, indictment or not.

Either ways only 50% of the states have voted, so I don't see the big deal.

If he cares about the progressive movement, then Hillary clean needs to lose in November for a real progressive to rise - The Dem party needs to have a huge temporary setback if it needs to go the right way on the long term.

Supporting a mass murderer neo con is doing so service to the progressive wing.

So now you are so desperate you subscribe to Donald Trump talking points. Sad!

[Gass3268]

Hillary could get indicted & anyways would drop out when the FBI finds her guilty, indictment or not.

Either ways only 50% of the states have voted, so I don't see the big deal.

If he cares about the progressive movement, then Hillary clean needs to lose in November for a real progressive to rise - The Dem party needs to have a huge temporary setback if it needs to go the right way on the long term.

Supporting a mass murderer neo con is doing so service to the progressive wing.

Sigh... I'm gonna bump the Sanders Venting Thread.

[Frodo]

Hillary could get indicted & anyways would drop out when the FBI finds her guilty, indictment or not.

Either ways only 50% of the states have voted, so I don't see the big deal.

If he cares about the progressive movement, then Hillary clean needs to lose in November for a real progressive to rise - The Dem party needs to have a huge temporary setback if it needs to go the right way on the long term.

Supporting a mass murderer neo con is doing so service to the progressive wing.

You're not helping Bernie Sanders' cause here...  

[IceSpear]

Sounds like Bernie's going all the way to California.

I don't think anyone actually expects him to drop out. I'm on the record saying he has the right to stay in as long as he likes. But the tone needs to change, he isn't winning the nomination and he needs to start helping the progressive movement in November, that includes actively raising money for campaigns other than his own and campaigning for Democrats. Him staying in can be a big positive, but still treating it like a genuinely competitive primary is a bad idea.

He's still trying to win. I imagine he'll help like-minded Democrats, like Zephyr Teachout.  Although I'm sure the grassroots is already doing a lot for her.

He might be, that'll help the delegate margin at the end, but it won't get him the win. Math is real, just as it was for Hillary in 08, by the end of February the writing was on the wall. Regardless of good states coming, the margin couldn't be overcome. This is even more emphatic.

Yet no one questioned Clinton for taking it to the end after it was pretty much over after Obama went on his run in February and it was obviously over. I know it's over, but I think it would help everyone if every contest is contested this cycle. It totally helped in 08 by building an infrastructure for Obama.

No one? Countless people were shrieking at the top of her lungs for her to drop out as soon as she lost Iowa. lol

Probably some of the same people that are now insisting Sanders should take it to the convention.

[RJEvans]

Hillary could get indicted & anyways would drop out when the FBI finds her guilty, indictment or not.

Either ways only 50% of the states have voted, so I don't see the big deal.

If he cares about the progressive movement, then Hillary clean needs to lose in November for a real progressive to rise - The Dem party needs to have a huge temporary setback if it needs to go the right way on the long term.

Supporting a mass murderer neo con is doing so service to the progressive wing.

So now you are so desperate you subscribe to Donald Trump talking points. Sad!

Some of the most ardent of Bernie voters have resorted to using GOP talking-points to attack Clinton. I don't engage.

[Mr. Morden]

CNN says Idaho results are coming in ~15 minutes.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Sounds like Bernie's going all the way to California.

I don't think anyone actually expects him to drop out. I'm on the record saying he has the right to stay in as long as he likes. But the tone needs to change, he isn't winning the nomination and he needs to start helping the progressive movement in November, that includes actively raising money for campaigns other than his own and campaigning for Democrats. Him staying in can be a big positive, but still treating it like a genuinely competitive primary is a bad idea.

He's still trying to win. I imagine he'll help like-minded Democrats, like Zephyr Teachout.  Although I'm sure the grassroots is already doing a lot for her.

He might be, that'll help the delegate margin at the end, but it won't get him the win. Math is real, just as it was for Hillary in 08, by the end of February the writing was on the wall. Regardless of good states coming, the margin couldn't be overcome. This is even more emphatic.

Yet no one questioned Clinton for taking it to the end after it was pretty much over after Obama went on his run in February and it was obviously over. I know it's over, but I think it would help everyone if every contest is contested this cycle. It totally helped in 08 by building an infrastructure for Obama.

As I said, let the contests run their course... but PLENTY questioned her carrying on.