Your opinion of F. W. de Klerk

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Very Positive.

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Um, yes.  I believe he ended Apartheid?

Yes, he seized the neighboring countries and integrated them.

what neighboring countries? Lesotho, Swaziland, Botswana, Namibia and Zimbabwe are all still around (although seizing Zimbabwe wouldn't be a bad idea)

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Namibia got its independence in 1990.

Ha, Richius actually thinks those bantustans were real countries. I wonder what they did with all the US embassies to them once they were "seized". Oh wait, there never were any embassies. And where was all the international outcry of the invasion of these "sovereign nations" by SA?

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Namibia got its independence in 1990.

Ha, Richius actually thinks those bantustans were real countries.

Bantustans?  What are those?

the "countries" you mentioned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantustan

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There is no American embassy in Taiwan.  Clearly, Taiwan is a fictious country.  You agree, of course?

No Taiwan is not a country, it is an autonomous breakaway province, like Transnistria or Northern Cyprus.

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not a single other nation in the world did.

there was also some, ahem, interesting shapes in those "countries" (note what Bono posted). Gee, maybe because the white government was gerrymandering to keep all the best farmland in "real" South Africa and preserving 83% of the land for 15% of the population? Yeah, that was really generous to the blacks.

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He's claiming it was perfectly fine because blacks were herded off to their own "countries", the bantustans I mentioned above, which were more ridiculously shaped than the worst gerrymanderings for the purpose of keeping all the best farmland and 83% of the territory in white hands. Let's look at a map:



Richius is saying there is nothing discriminatory about herding a majority of the population into overcrowded sh**tholes deliberately drawn to increase poverty so to increase wealth for the minority population because "they have their own countries".

Not all Nazis wanted to exteriminate the Jews, some just wanted to remove them their territory. If the more "moderate' Nazis got control, built a "Jewish homeland" in a part of Germany with absolutely no development or natural resources, and then forced all Jews to go there, is that perfectly fine because the Jews have their own country now?

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um, look at the map I posted above.

Now from the linked wikipedia article:

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Nelson Mandella was always characterized as a "political" prisoner by the media, yet he was actually in jail for helping to plant a bomb in a military hospital which murdered more than a dozen people.

no difference between that and the French Resistance and Yugoslav partisans bombing German military hospitals.

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Nelson Mandella was always characterized as a "political" prisoner by the media, yet he was actually in jail for helping to plant a bomb in a military hospital which murdered more than a dozen people.

no difference between that and the French Resistance and Yugoslav partisans bombing German military hospitals.

You approve of bombing hospitals? Sick.

Do you disagree with the French Resistances and Yugoslav partisans doing so? MILITARY hospitals are valid military targets.

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So it would've been wrong for the Confederates to attack Union hospitals?

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Well nice to see at least you have some consistency here.

Conservatives after all didn't have any problems with the Reagan administration giving aid to anti-Communist guerillas that attacked hospitals (and frequently raped nuns)

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So, why have the blacks never complained about losing their "countries"?

If they loved their bantustans so much, you think they would've resisted when De Klerk integrated them, or demanded that they be restored. But I have yet to hear of anything of the sort happening.