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I'm too young
 
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I'm anti-war
 
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« on: June 02, 2005, 01:37:24 AM »

If you're pro-war, they need you.

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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/6/2/11236/37342
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2005, 01:40:00 AM »

I'll sign up when they stop bringing criminal charges against people like Sgt. Pantano, stop cutting combat pay in the middle of combat, stop cutting veterans benefits, etc.

Being pro-war doesn't oblige me to accept being abused by a negligent Commander in Chief.
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2005, 01:45:09 AM »

I'll sign up when they stop bringing criminal charges against people like Sgt. Pantano, stop cutting combat pay in the middle of combat, stop cutting veterans benefits, etc.

Being pro-war doesn't oblige me to accept being abused by a negligent Commander in Chief.

So you support the Democrats on issues of combat pay and veterans benefits? That's good, but Rumsfeld says "You have to go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want."
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2005, 01:58:50 AM »

I'll sign up when they stop bringing criminal charges against people like Sgt. Pantano, stop cutting combat pay in the middle of combat, stop cutting veterans benefits, etc.

Being pro-war doesn't oblige me to accept being abused by a negligent Commander in Chief.

So you support the Democrats on issues of combat pay and veterans benefits? That's good, but Rumsfeld says "You have to go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want."

I thought Rumsfeld should have resigned after his first QDR in 2001.  He can piss off.

Don't tell me the Democrats are pro-military.  They only care about the veteran's and soldier's issues as much as they need to for a political advantage.  Their votng records don't show concern for these issues, its all a show and I'm not convinced.

The Dems are the ones pounding the table about Gitmo, for example.  At Gitmo, American MPs have had disciplinary action taken against them for "Koran abuse".  Koran abuses at Gitmo include such unforgivable offenses as handling a Koran without wearing clean gloves, placing a Koran on a television set or the floor, and for some personnel it is against the rules to touch a Koran at all.  And for this they are disciplined!  This isn't Koran abuse, its soldier abuse.  Its this kind of treatment that wipes out my occaisional feelings of responsibility to join the military.

Look at Pantano.  This man's life is ruined because he reloaded his gun and emptied a magazine into a corpse of an insurgent.  Before him, there was the interrogations officer who fired a pistol into the air to coerce information out of a detainee.  He gained critical information that saved soldiers lives, but for his firing a pistol, he was Court Martialed.  His life is ruined.  Why would I put myself in a situation where I could have all my hard work wiped out in an instant because of absurdly strict rules of engagement?

Of course I wouldn't.  And anyone who thinks John Kerry or Al Gore would be better is nuts, they'd be far worse, and my evidence is that every time one of these things happens its Democrats and liberals who want these people strung up.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2005, 02:15:47 AM »

I'll sign up when they stop bringing criminal charges against people like Sgt. Pantano, stop cutting combat pay in the middle of combat, stop cutting veterans benefits, etc.

Being pro-war doesn't oblige me to accept being abused by a negligent Commander in Chief.

So you support the Democrats on issues of combat pay and veterans benefits? That's good, but Rumsfeld says "You have to go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want."

I thought Rumsfeld should have resigned after his first QDR in 2001.  He can piss off.

Don't tell me the Democrats are pro-military.  They only care about the veteran's and soldier's issues as much as they need to for a political advantage.  Their votng records don't show concern for these issues, its all a show and I'm not convinced.

The Dems are the ones pounding the table about Gitmo, for example.  At Gitmo, American MPs have had disciplinary action taken against them for "Koran abuse".  Koran abuses at Gitmo include such unforgivable offenses as handling a Koran without wearing clean gloves, placing a Koran on a television set or the floor, and for some personnel it is against the rules to touch a Koran at all.  And for this they are disciplined!  This isn't Koran abuse, its soldier abuse.  Its this kind of treatment that wipes out my occaisional feelings of responsibility to join the military.

Look at Pantano.  This man's life is ruined because he reloaded his gun and emptied a magazine into a corpse of an insurgent.  Before him, there was the interrogations officer who fired a pistol into the air to coerce information out of a detainee.  He gained critical information that saved soldiers lives, but for his firing a pistol, he was Court Martialed.  His life is ruined.  Why would I put myself in a situation where I could have all my hard work wiped out in an instant because of absurdly strict rules of engagement?

Of course I wouldn't.  And anyone who thinks John Kerry or Al Gore would be better is nuts, they'd be far worse, and my evidence is that every time one of these things happens its Democrats and liberals who want these people strung up.

The Democrats are for increased soldier pay, health benefits, and combat armour. The Republicans have a sh**tty record there. The Democratic position is that when the Pentagon orders soldiers to torture, the Pentagon should be held responsible. The Pentagon has been blaming everything on the common enlisted man. I side with the Democratic party and the common enlisted man, and against the Pentagon, Halliburton, and Bush.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2005, 02:52:03 AM »

jfern, add an option "I'm handicapped" next time (not that I'm handicapped, just saying).

Anyway, option 4.
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2005, 02:55:36 AM »

jfern, add an option "I'm handicapped" next time (not that I'm handicapped, just saying).

Anyway, option 4.

Too late now. Those people can choose the "I'm too young" option.
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2005, 03:25:57 AM »

jfern, add an option "I'm handicapped" next time (not that I'm handicapped, just saying).

Yeah, that way jfern can have an option to pick. Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2005, 03:28:33 AM »

jfern, add an option "I'm handicapped" next time (not that I'm handicapped, just saying).

Yeah, that way jfern can have an option to pick. Smiley

Come back here and take what you deserve to get. I'll bite your legs off!
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2005, 03:33:45 AM »

No, I haven't signed up. Even though I was pro Afghanistan War.
You see, us peaceniks have the same double standard issues as the chicken hawks.
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2005, 03:34:30 AM »

jfern, add an option "I'm handicapped" next time (not that I'm handicapped, just saying).

Yeah, that way jfern can have an option to pick. Smiley

Come back here and take what you deserve to get. I'll bite your legs off!

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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2005, 03:35:55 AM »

So jfern, what do Gabu's legs taste like?
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2005, 08:13:32 AM »

I'll sign up when they stop bringing criminal charges against people like Sgt. Pantano, stop cutting combat pay in the middle of combat, stop cutting veterans benefits, etc.

Being pro-war doesn't oblige me to accept being abused by a negligent Commander in Chief.

That's a fair comment, if ever I read one

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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2005, 08:21:35 AM »

Next time, kindly add an option "The army doesn't want me."

:/  You know, if you guys gave me the option of buying my citizenship (not green card, citizenship) for 3 years of service, I'd do it.

LET ME IN ALREADY!!
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2005, 08:40:10 AM »

Next time, kindly add an option "The army doesn't want me."

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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2005, 10:59:36 AM »

I'm pro-war, but I don't intend to enlist. Much like I'm anti-murder, but don't intend to become a police officer.
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2005, 11:48:14 AM »

There should also be an "I am too old" option and a "Done my time already" option.

Oh, and a "Give me a perfect coin to flip to decide if I should go in or not" option.  Tongue
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2005, 03:08:16 PM »

Too young.

But I am highly adept at using the military's best source of intelligence. Wikipedia.
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2005, 03:13:37 PM »

Please don't deprecate the contributions of the 101st Fighting Keyboardists to our national security, red.
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2005, 03:51:10 PM »

We've had this topic before jfraud. How about anyone who is pro-welfare. have you given to charity or the government this month?
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2005, 04:49:51 PM »

We've had this topic before jfraud. How about anyone who is pro-welfare. have you given to charity or the government this month?

Virtually all workers have done so already.
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2005, 04:55:53 PM »

It is kind of ironic that i am one of the most anti-war people here yet i'm one of maybe two people on the forum who served.
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2005, 05:03:12 PM »

We've had this topic before jfraud. How about anyone who is pro-welfare. have you given to charity or the government this month?

Virtually all workers have done so already.

Then all of us who pay taxes have given to the war cause.
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2005, 05:11:54 PM »

So?  I didn't say that was a good or bad thing.  I was just responding to Jake's post.
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2005, 05:41:44 PM »
« Edited: June 02, 2005, 05:43:47 PM by Alcon »

It is worth noting that jravnsbo, a South Dakota Republican and board member, is actually in Iraq. No Dems here that I am aware of are.
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