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Diouf
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« Reply #1525 on: March 15, 2017, 04:56:34 PM »

Are results only reported when the whole municipality is counted or can individual polling place results be seen anywhere?
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« Reply #1526 on: March 15, 2017, 04:57:19 PM »

Ok, there are obviously cultural differences between countries, but you can't really call yourself a social democrat and be part of the PES while you constantly have such strong right-wing economic views.

NL is paying a lot of money, didn't cheat re: its financial situation, wasn't in such a big crisis as other countries.....you are a leading member of a social-democratic party and next to you grows a far-right-wing populist party with left-wing economics...for the dutch....mostly voted for by your own former electorate.

what do you do? pushing the notion that we need to forgive and forget everything and save greece once more, even while politicans over there are calling your NAZI....or try to be center-center?


Seems like reverse causality to me...your former electorate is not voting you for some reason, and fully embracing austerity without even attempting to provide a progressive project seems a pretty good reason.

And that eventually leads you to losing some 20% in 5 years...
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« Reply #1527 on: March 15, 2017, 04:58:24 PM »

Turnout is higher, so it takes longer to count votes. Makes sense
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« Reply #1528 on: March 15, 2017, 05:01:10 PM »

Are results only reported when the whole municipality is counted or can individual polling place results be seen anywhere?

only whole municipalities
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« Reply #1529 on: March 15, 2017, 05:01:18 PM »

Buma is celebrating winning 19 seats. Surely, it's a big improvement from 2012 but we shouldn't forget that this is their second worst showing ever. They got less seats than in 2010 (when they dropped from 41 to 21).
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« Reply #1530 on: March 15, 2017, 05:02:13 PM »
« Edited: March 15, 2017, 05:04:09 PM by SunSt0rm »

CDA wins Renswoude, VVD lost 17% there

Ouch, PvdA smaller than 50+ and FvD as well in Renswoude
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« Reply #1531 on: March 15, 2017, 05:02:18 PM »

Seems like reverse causality to me...your former electorate is not voting you for some reason, and fully embracing austerity without even attempting to provide a progressive project seems a pretty good reason.

let me try it another way:

austerity for THEE but not for ME is the general position for potential PvdA <--> Wilders voters, i would guess and if less money goes to "poor south europeans", there is more oppportunity for good old Dutch working class voters and this position is hard to fulfill for a classical leftie.

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« Reply #1532 on: March 15, 2017, 05:03:22 PM »

Turnout is higher, so it takes longer to count votes. Makes sense

Or the Russians are still trying to rig the election.
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« Reply #1533 on: March 15, 2017, 05:04:47 PM »

Makes no sense to take the exit poll too literally. As if Roemer lost 1 seat. We don't know yet. Last time around they treated CU as if they had won for the first two hours or so, but they remained stable at 5 anyway. SP could as well have 15 seats this time around and not lose anything, CU could as well have 5 and not win anything. NOS are getting ahead of themselves once again. Let's wait for actual results coming in for parties for which the margins are this small.

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« Reply #1534 on: March 15, 2017, 05:06:52 PM »

Important thing is that suburban and exurban areas have stayed with the VVD. VVD lost; PVV, CDA, D66 won, but they have largely remained with the VVD. That's what happened, and that's why this result happened.
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« Reply #1535 on: March 15, 2017, 05:07:05 PM »

Henk Kamp just got mentioned as a possible informateur by a journalist. It makes sense, he won't be in the next cabinet and he is one of those elderly statesmen who usually become informateur.
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« Reply #1536 on: March 15, 2017, 05:07:31 PM »

Amusingly, with a town in the Bible Belt (called Renswoude) being the first to report after three very low-population municipalities, the SGP is now in third place nationally...

Also, they're now gaining compared to these municipalities in 2012, from 9.3% to 11.1%. What would be the point in sending youth to vote in the first municipalities to report to vote SGP? To get a very little  bit more coverage in the early Election Night reporting?
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« Reply #1537 on: March 15, 2017, 05:16:31 PM »

Zoeterwoude: disappointing gains PVV, still a big win for the VVD despite losses, important gains for CDA and (less so) D66. Story of the evening.
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« Reply #1538 on: March 15, 2017, 05:21:17 PM »

Meerssen results: wow very disappointing for SP

VVD 19.6% (-5.3%)
PVV 18% (+3.7%)
CDA 16.4% (+5.8%)
D66 12.1% (+5.1%) wtf
SP 11.3% (-1.5%)
GL 7.2% (+5.2%)
50+ 4.7% (+2.6%)
PvdA 4.2% (-18.2%) rofl rofl rofl rofl

What's going on with D66?
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« Reply #1539 on: March 15, 2017, 05:30:14 PM »

Meerssen disappointing for PVV too
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« Reply #1540 on: March 15, 2017, 05:32:23 PM »

Meerssen results: wow very disappointing for SP

VVD 19.6% (-5.3%)
PVV 18% (+3.7%)
CDA 16.4% (+5.8%)
D66 12.1% (+5.1%) wtf
SP 11.3% (-1.5%)
GL 7.2% (+5.2%)
50+ 4.7% (+2.6%)
PvdA 4.2% (-18.2%) rofl rofl rofl rofl

What's going on with D66?
Yeah, SP losing here may be an indication that they've done worse than in 2012. 
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« Reply #1541 on: March 15, 2017, 05:33:08 PM »

The results so far confirm the exit polls
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« Reply #1542 on: March 15, 2017, 05:33:18 PM »

PVV gains in Simpelveld are very poor also.

I think CDA could be a bit underestimated in the exit poll. Will see.
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« Reply #1543 on: March 15, 2017, 05:34:15 PM »

PVV biggest in Simpelveld, but small progress from 20,8 to 22,6. PvdA drop from 25,3 to 4,3%. Still very early, but it almost seems like PvdA could do even worse than the exit poll
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« Reply #1544 on: March 15, 2017, 05:35:11 PM »

Some northern municipalities from that former block of PvdA support seem to be giving their pluralities to CDA, who now seem likely to come in second after VVD. PVV is on the board with a win in Simpelveld.
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« Reply #1545 on: March 15, 2017, 05:36:42 PM »

Anyone got a live results page?
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« Reply #1546 on: March 15, 2017, 05:37:03 PM »


http://nos.nl/artikel/2163332-tk17-bekijk-hier-de-uitslagen.html
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« Reply #1547 on: March 15, 2017, 05:37:20 PM »

Súdwest-Fryslân fliped from PvdA to CDA, with PvdA going from 29% to....7%. Yikes!

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« Reply #1548 on: March 15, 2017, 05:40:23 PM »

GL seems to be underperforming exit polls
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« Reply #1549 on: March 15, 2017, 05:42:42 PM »

GL seems to be underperforming exit polls

Wait for the big cities...
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