Politics and Elections in the Netherlands: coalition agreement presented

[MAINEiac4434]

Klaas Dijkhof looks like he just came off a bender.

[ApatheticAustrian]

it's amazing for me that a party like D66 which was described - at least in our media over here - a few years ago as kind of reallllly leftish is now seen more like center-center.

[SunSt0rm]

This result is historic. That red in the north will be gone tonight, wonder which color it gonna be tonight

[Beet]

I am a clueless American. Can someone provide a brief run-down of what the parties are?

[ApatheticAustrian]

I am a clueless American. Can someone provide a brief run-down of what the parties are?

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=260510.0

[mvd10]

Serious what if question here:

If in 2012 the PvdA had won 1 more seat than VVD, the PvdA leader would have become PM instead of Rutte in a "grand coalition". If that had happened, do people think the PvdA would have done much better tonight and the VVD would have been the "junior coalition partner that gets demolished in the subsequent election"?

Maybe. In the days after the coalition agreement was published the VVD lost up to 20 seats because of the outrage about means tested healthcare premiums. They ended 2012 below the PvdA in the polls.

[Zinneke]

I am a clueless American. Can someone provide a brief run-down of what the parties are?

Go to the international discussion board and there is a thread called explain dutch politics to me.

Or if you have more time, read this entire thread.

Otherwise, a bastardised version :



Replace TON with FvD, and shift it to conservatief.

[SunSt0rm]

I am a clueless American. Can someone provide a brief run-down of what the parties are?

Briefly

VVD: centre right to right wing party: conservative-liberal, pro atlantic party
CDA: centra right party: christian party
D66: centre: pro-EU
PVV: far right: anti-immigration, anti EU
PvdA: centre left: social democrats
GL: left wing: environmentalism, pro EU
SP: left wing: Socialism, soft eurosceptism
CU: centre: social christian party, soft eurosceptism

[DavidB.]

All provinces vvd

No, they wont win all provinces in the north. CDA should be able to hold Friesland and Overijssel. Groningen is a big question mark

If Groningen goes VVD, imagine that... It could even go PVV... but you're right, Friesland may go CDA. I think Overijssel will be VVD though, if the exit poll is true, that is.

[Mike88]

Ipsos exit poll, share of vote:

20.6% VVD
12.7% CDA
12.6% D66
12.6% PVV
10.7% GL
  9.3% SP
  6.0% PvdA
  4.0% CU
  3.3% PvdD
  2.7% 50+
  2.0% SGP
  2.0% Denk
  1.3% FvD

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/842109639894413312

[Beezer]

In theory CDA+D66+PVDA+GL+SP also have a majority. Very unlikely, but Buma and Pechtold can play that trumpcard in the negotiation with Rutte

A Christian Democratic party and left-wing populists in the same coalition? I know NL is (in)famous for its coalitions but doesn't this seem just a tad far fetched?

[ApatheticAustrian]

This result is historic. That red in the north will be gone tonight, wonder which color it gonna be tonight

fascinating indeed but less decisive than it would be in a country with a less fractured parliament.

[Zinneke]

This result is historic. That red in the north will be gone tonight, wonder which color it gonna be tonight

fascinating indeed but less decisive than it would be in a country with a less fractured parliament.

Yeah the pluralities are screwing with your mind in those maps. Groningen´s PvdA vote split between 3 parties and PVV not doing well there lets Rutte get his we won the North moment. 
It will be interesting to see where the future centre-right government has a plurality.

[GlobeSoc]

Ipsos exit poll, share of vote:

20.6% VVD
12.7% CDA
12.6% D66
12.6% PVV
10.7% GL
  9.3% SP
  6.0% PvdA
  4.0% CU
  3.3% PvdD
  2.7% 50+
  2.0% SGP
  2.0% Denk
  1.3% FvD

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/842109639894413312

Seems like forming a coalition will take a really, really, really long time.

[Crumpets]

Ipsos exit poll, share of vote:

20.6% VVD
12.7% CDA
12.6% D66
12.6% PVV
10.7% GL
  9.3% SP
  6.0% PvdA
  4.0% CU
  3.3% PvdD
  2.7% 50+
  2.0% SGP
  2.0% Denk
  1.3% FvD

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/842109639894413312

That looks terrible for the PVV, and that's really all I could say I was hoping for in this election.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

PvdA: centre left: social democrats

Though rather enraged their electorate by not exactly being like this in government this time round, thus this result...

[MAINEiac4434]

PvdA on 6%. Jesus.

[Zinneke]

Ipsos exit poll, share of vote:

20.6% VVD
12.7% CDA
12.6% D66
12.6% PVV
10.7% GL
  9.3% SP
  6.0% PvdA
  4.0% CU
  3.3% PvdD
  2.7% 50+
  2.0% SGP
  2.0% Denk
  1.3% FvD

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/842109639894413312

Seems like forming a coalition will take a really, really, really long time.

The Dutch will never beat our record. THey can't even beat our turnout record.

Honestly as it stands it seems straighforward. CU-D66-CDA in, PvdA out, Rutte stays PM. Work with the small parties in a minority. DavidB predicted this several pages ago when Wilders was on 30+ seats.

[DavidB.]

Vvd higher than in 2010 in this poll

[SunSt0rm]

I am very glad D66 is holding well or even win 1-2 seats compared to the polls. Most of the times it loses votes because of tactical voting

[MAINEiac4434]

PvdA: centre left: social democrats

Though rather enraged their electorate by not exactly being like this in government this time round, thus this result...

And hence the rise of GL.

[Diouf]

PVV almost doubling in the first two very small polling places.

[Mike88]

First results are in.

2 islands in the north.

WOW!! the PvdA went from 30.1% to 8.9% in these 2 islands!!

[mvd10]

I wonder whether the PvdA will be back to 25-30 seats in 4 years if we get a centre-right government. It might happen, but GL will try to become the main left-wing party. I don't think GL's appeal is broad enough for that but we can't rule it out.

And I really can't see how Asscher stays on after losing 29 seats. Dijsselbloem will remain in politics (probably as a MP since I don't think the PvdA will be in government) and I think he has bigger ambitions than being a backbench MP. And they always can appoint Aboutaleb (the very popular mayor of Rotterdam) leader.

[DavidB.]

Perhaps needless to say, but this is both the worst loss of a party in Dutch history and the worst PvdA result ever