Politics and Elections in the Netherlands: coalition agreement presented

[MAINEiac4434]

So the PvdA lost a humongous three quarters of their seats and the SP still didn't manage to profit from that?? Talk about Epic Fail!

Most of the PvdA vote has appeared to have gone to GL and D66. SP is much further to the left than GL and PvdA.

[mvd10]

So the SGP sometimes supports the government? I always thought they're just standing on the sidelines...

The SGP worked with the VVD-PvdA coalition on some issues. I don't see why they wouldn't work with a VVD-CDA-D66-CU coalition. They are very conservative on social issues, but they know they can't ban abortion or repeal gay marriage so I think they would be open for compromises.

I hope it will be VVD-CDA-D66-CU coalition with SGP support. D66 probably wants to work with GL but VVD and CDA probably want to work with CU and SGP. And I don't think Klaver would accept being the smallest coalition partner in a coalition with 3 centre-right parties.

[Dutch Conservative]

So the SGP sometimes supports the government? I always thought they're just standing on the sidelines...

The SGP worked with the VVD-PvdA coalition on some issues. I don't see why they wouldn't work with a VVD-CDA-D66-CU coalition. They are very conservative on social issues, but they know they can't ban abortion or repeal gay marriage so I think they would be open for compromises.

I hope it will be VVD-CDA-D66-CU coalition with SGP support. D66 probably wants to work with GL but VVD and CDA probably want to work with CU and SGP. And I don't think Klaver would accept being the smallest coalition partner in a coalition with 3 centre-right parties.

I agree that would be the best combination. Not such a bad result.

[DavidB.]

Am on my phone. Ipsos: 34% of vvd voters say erdogan crisis played role
81% of vvd voters say it's the economy, stupid

[DavidB.]

Disappointed with the pvv, but glad vvd are much larger than all the others and extremely glad FvD get in; Will become a member tomorrow. Very dutch result. No experiments. Great turnout. And terrible result for the real left.

[DavidB.]

Entire map will be blie

[mvd10]

No changes in the exit poll update.

[Classic Conservative]

The update is the same, I think.

[DavidB.]

All provinces vvd

[kyc0705]

I'll check later to see what the more finalized results look like. Exit polls make me nervous now.

[SunSt0rm]

All provinces vvd

No, they wont win all provinces in the north. CDA should be able to hold Friesland and Overijssel. Groningen is a big question mark

[Zinneke]

I think Wilders, Roemer, and obviously Asscher need to resign now.
Klaver would be foolish not to assume the de facto role as leader of the opposition.
PvdA will also sit this out if they have any sanity left after this.

Very bad night for the Dutch Left. Dude just showed they need a 6 party coalition. Never a good sign.

[SunSt0rm]

In theory CDA+D66+PVDA+GL+SP also have a majority. Very unlikely, but Buma and Pechtold can play that trumpcard in the negotiation with Rutte

[DL]

Serious what if question here:

If in 2012 the PvdA had won 1 more seat than VVD, the PvdA leader would have become PM instead of Rutte in a "grand coalition". If that had happened, do people think the PvdA would have done much better tonight and the VVD would have been the "junior coalition partner that gets demolished in the subsequent election"?

[MAINEiac4434]

Klaas Dijkhof looks like he just came off a bender.

[ApatheticAustrian]

it's amazing for me that a party like D66 which was described - at least in our media over here - a few years ago as kind of reallllly leftish is now seen more like center-center.

[SunSt0rm]

This result is historic. That red in the north will be gone tonight, wonder which color it gonna be tonight

[Beet]

I am a clueless American. Can someone provide a brief run-down of what the parties are?

[ApatheticAustrian]

I am a clueless American. Can someone provide a brief run-down of what the parties are?

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=260510.0

[mvd10]

Serious what if question here:

If in 2012 the PvdA had won 1 more seat than VVD, the PvdA leader would have become PM instead of Rutte in a "grand coalition". If that had happened, do people think the PvdA would have done much better tonight and the VVD would have been the "junior coalition partner that gets demolished in the subsequent election"?

Maybe. In the days after the coalition agreement was published the VVD lost up to 20 seats because of the outrage about means tested healthcare premiums. They ended 2012 below the PvdA in the polls.

[Zinneke]

I am a clueless American. Can someone provide a brief run-down of what the parties are?

Go to the international discussion board and there is a thread called explain dutch politics to me.

Or if you have more time, read this entire thread.

Otherwise, a bastardised version :



Replace TON with FvD, and shift it to conservatief.

[SunSt0rm]

I am a clueless American. Can someone provide a brief run-down of what the parties are?

Briefly

VVD: centre right to right wing party: conservative-liberal, pro atlantic party
CDA: centra right party: christian party
D66: centre: pro-EU
PVV: far right: anti-immigration, anti EU
PvdA: centre left: social democrats
GL: left wing: environmentalism, pro EU
SP: left wing: Socialism, soft eurosceptism
CU: centre: social christian party, soft eurosceptism

[DavidB.]

All provinces vvd

No, they wont win all provinces in the north. CDA should be able to hold Friesland and Overijssel. Groningen is a big question mark

If Groningen goes VVD, imagine that... It could even go PVV... but you're right, Friesland may go CDA. I think Overijssel will be VVD though, if the exit poll is true, that is.

[Mike88]

Ipsos exit poll, share of vote:

20.6% VVD
12.7% CDA
12.6% D66
12.6% PVV
10.7% GL
  9.3% SP
  6.0% PvdA
  4.0% CU
  3.3% PvdD
  2.7% 50+
  2.0% SGP
  2.0% Denk
  1.3% FvD

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/842109639894413312

[Beezer]

In theory CDA+D66+PVDA+GL+SP also have a majority. Very unlikely, but Buma and Pechtold can play that trumpcard in the negotiation with Rutte

A Christian Democratic party and left-wing populists in the same coalition? I know NL is (in)famous for its coalitions but doesn't this seem just a tad far fetched?