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danwxman
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« on: April 25, 2005, 03:57:31 PM »

In Pennsylvania, probably Lebanon.
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2005, 04:15:22 PM »

Good question...

I'd say the strongest libertarian counties are Clallam, Clark, Island, Jefferson, King, San Juan, Skamania, Snohomish, Thurston, and Whatcom.

Overall, I'd have to give the nod to Clark, with Clallam as a close second.
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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2005, 04:19:40 PM »

Williamson County, Texas
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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2005, 04:30:35 PM »

Montco I'd say, or at least on of the Philly Suburban counties.
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2005, 04:34:27 PM »

lots of people say oakland, but I really don't think it's that libertarian although some areas are.
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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2005, 05:29:04 PM »

Montco I'd say, or at least on of the Philly Suburban counties.

Do libertarian candidates do good in those counties? Lebanon county voted for Goldwater and libertarians tend to do well in elections. It's rural but tends to be more anti-government then the neighboring counties. The libertarian candidate for PA-17 was from the county.
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2005, 06:32:20 PM »

Malheur or Grant.
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2005, 06:55:07 PM »

Montco I'd say, or at least on of the Philly Suburban counties.

Do libertarian candidates do good in those counties? Lebanon county voted for Goldwater and libertarians tend to do well in elections. It's rural but tends to be more anti-government then the neighboring counties. The libertarian candidate for PA-17 was from the county.

Votes for the Libertarian Party doesn't mean they are libertarian, it means they are more Libertarian.  The Philly Suburbs are center-left socially and center-right economically.
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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2005, 08:36:36 PM »

For Washington I would say Spokane, Island, or maybe Klickitat.

I say probably Island though---Yuppified, wealthy, exurb. Don't exactly care about too many social issues, but most likely hate taxes n stuff.
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2005, 10:07:02 PM »

For Washington I would say Spokane, Island, or maybe Klickitat.

I say probably Island though---Yuppified, wealthy, exurb. Don't exactly care about too many social issues, but most likely hate taxes n stuff.

Well, the reasons I didn't say those:

- There are a lot of conservative Christians in Spokane.
- Island is good, now that I realize Whidbey NAS is not much of their vote. I have an apparently typewrited precinct result for the county, which indicates that Oak Harbor is heavily Republican, flipping the county, possibly. That may be my vote now.
- Klickitat is very libertarian, but has a significant populist vote around the Columbia in the blue-collar workforce, I'd assume. But I know little of the area.
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2005, 10:09:06 PM »

I don't think we have any libertarian counties.
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2005, 11:17:50 PM »

Probably either Long Island or Westchester.  Not exactly libertarian, both are moderate economically & socially liberal  (& pro gun control), but probably the closest to libertarian your going to get.  NYC is liberal socially & economically the central part of the state is fairly conservative on both, Northern NY & Western NY tend to be more populist (moderate socially, liberal economically).  After LI & Westchester I would say maybe the Albany area, but thats about it.
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2005, 11:24:44 PM »

We've got a ton of libertarian leaning counties.

I'd guess Santa Cruz is the most libertarian.

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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2005, 12:07:42 AM »

We've got a ton of libertarian leaning counties.

I'd guess Santa Cruz is the most libertarian.



Bay Area of course, the city of Santa Cruz has once had a socialist mayor.

I'm goign to say Santa Clara County
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2005, 12:30:34 AM »

I don't think we have any libertarian counties.

Fairfax would qualify, I'd think.
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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2005, 05:19:53 PM »

Probably either Long Island or Westchester.  Not exactly libertarian, both are moderate economically & socially liberal  (& pro gun control), but probably the closest to libertarian your going to get.  NYC is liberal socially & economically the central part of the state is fairly conservative on both, Northern NY & Western NY tend to be more populist (moderate socially, liberal economically).  After LI & Westchester I would say maybe the Albany area, but thats about it.

Not too familiar with upstate myself, but I can pass judgment on Westchester...

The area is, without a doubt, socially liberal.  It's what people care about, and it's probably the major reason why the Democrats have been making it a much more solidly Democratic county over the past few years.  My town, in all of its recorded history (and the town just celebrated its 350th anniversary this year), had never voted for a Democrat...until John Kerry.

Economically speaking...well, excepting Yonkers and Mount Vernon (which are essentially marginally-more-affluent outgrowths of New York City), the area is very suburban and prosperous.  So you've got several demographics here:

A) the black, extremely Democratic, residents of Mount Vernon and Yonkers (and maybe a pocket or two in White Plains/New Rochelle).
B) lower-middle to middle-class whites (a large component of which are Italian), generally scattered throughout, but especially in New Rochelle, North Pelham, White Plains(?), and parts of Greenburgh.  Probably majority Democratic, but are often socially conservative Republicans (the Catholic vote)--the most recent elections featured three Italian Republicans losing to three non-Italian Democrats.  The ethnic divide is certainly not as important as it was thirty years ago (it's near-non-existent these days), but it does pop up rarely.

C) middle-upper-middle-upper class, existing pretty much everywhere outside of Yonkers/Mount Vernon, but especially along the Shore (Pelham Manor, parts of New Rochelle, Larchmont/Mamaroneck/Rye--the New Haven Line), Bronxville/Eastchester/Tuckahoe, and the northern reaches of the county (with all the land).

This latter group may perhaps be majority Republican...but it has a very, very large component of "latte liberals"--the anti-war, socially-liberal group who are generally rich enough that they don't care about economic issues (except from a humanitarian perspective).  And the Republicans in this group (and there are many of them, this being the affluent suburbs) are mainly Republican on economic, not social issues.

So I suppose it could be said that Westchester is libertarian--but much more socially than economically.
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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2005, 05:44:30 PM »

N.C. doesn't really have any libertarian counties...the closest would be Mecklenburg or Wake.
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2005, 05:47:57 PM »

In Missouri the only remotely liberal or libertarian county is Boone County, which contains the big university town of Columbia.  The rest of the state is a frightful socially conservative pit.  Useless.  Even St. Louis is conservative in spite of being urban - it is full of the wrong kind of Democrat. 
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2005, 06:56:57 PM »

Jake is right-the Philly suburbs, especially Montco are very libertarian.  Republicans still outnumber Democrats, and yet we voted for Kerry and Schwartz.  Although we still have a good number of Santoomeyites and hard-core liberals, the RINOs/Liberal Republicans are the key voting bloc in Montco.
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2005, 09:53:16 PM »

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Well thats why I said kinda.  Long Island is basically in the same boat, much more libertarian socially than economically.  Both Westchester & Long Island are moderate on economics & liberal socially
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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2005, 10:26:34 PM »

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Well thats why I said kinda.  Long Island is basically in the same boat, much more libertarian socially than economically.  Both Westchester & Long Island are moderate on economics & liberal socially

I would not say that is entirely true for Long Island - after all, it barely voted Kerry by a few points.
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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2005, 10:31:41 PM »

Only because of 9-11 was it that close.
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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2005, 10:53:59 PM »

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Well thats why I said kinda.  Long Island is basically in the same boat, much more libertarian socially than economically.  Both Westchester & Long Island are moderate on economics & liberal socially

I would not say that is entirely true for Long Island - after all, it barely voted Kerry by a few points.

As someone who has lived on Long Island my entire life I can tell you the reason this election was fairly close here  9/11 9/11 9/11

1996 & 2000 both Nassau & Suffolk County went to Clinton & Gore respectivley by double digits, Nassau went to Clinton by 20 in 96, to Gore by 19 in 2000  (Suffolk was 14 & 12 I believe)
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2005, 01:48:02 AM »

Lexington is probably the most Libertarian county in South Carolina, but that isn't saying too much.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2005, 03:47:01 AM »

Jake is right-the Philly suburbs, especially Montco are very libertarian.  Republicans still outnumber Democrats, and yet we voted for Kerry and Schwartz.  Although we still have a good number of Santoomeyites and hard-core liberals, the RINOs/Liberal Republicans are the key voting bloc in Montco.

I think the RINOism in Motnco is largely due to legacy, establishment, and dealing with the local government, not how people actually feel.  Granted, Montco is a moderate county economically and a liberal (if not VERY liberal in some parts) county. 
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