The Seriously? Theatre of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts V

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Yes. Their ideologies are obviously completely different but both of their campaigns are fueled by white resentment. Sanders is winning over liberal whites who are resentful that Clinton is running a campaign appealing to America's ascendant nonwhite majority -- and by extension not appealing to them. Trump's appealing to conservative whites who are resentful at the very prospect of the Republican establishment maybe, possibly considering appealing to some portion of America's incoming nonwhite majority.

Of course, there are also other factors at play, like the stagnation and decline of factory jobs and small town midwest economies that were based around them, but lets be real here. That's been happening for decades, and Trump and Sanders didn't appear when it started or during the peak of when it was happening (not to mention the fact that whites are still in an extremely advantageous economic position compared to nonwhites, even in the heart of midwest industrial decline.) So I maintain that this does not explain, entirely or even mostly, the rise of Trump and Sanders. I genuinely think the main factor at play with their rise this year is the fact that Obama to some extent and Clinton to a much greater extent have refused to do the whole treat-whites-like-they're-special-snowflakes-and-put-their-issues-on-a-little-silver-pedestal-during-election-years thing and whites are having a little cry about it.

[BundouYMB]

Yes. Their ideologies are obviously completely different but both of their campaigns are fueled by white resentment. Sanders is winning over liberal whites who are resentful that Clinton is running a campaign appealing to America's ascendant nonwhite majority -- and by extension not appealing to them. Trump's appealing to conservative whites who are resentful at the very prospect of the Republican establishment maybe, possibly considering appealing to some portion of America's incoming nonwhite majority.

Of course, there are also other factors at play, like the stagnation and decline of factory jobs and small town midwest economies that were based around them, but lets be real here. That's been happening for decades, and Trump and Sanders didn't appear when it started or during the peak of when it was happening (not to mention the fact that whites are still in an extremely advantageous economic position compared to nonwhites, even in the heart of midwest industrial decline.) So I maintain that this does not explain, entirely or even mostly, the rise of Trump and Sanders. I genuinely think the main factor at play with their rise this year is the fact that Obama to some extent and Clinton to a much greater extent have refused to do the whole treat-whites-like-they're-special-snowflakes-and-put-their-issues-on-a-little-silver-pedestal-during-election-years thing and whites are having a little cry about it.

Posted here by the resentful white kid. I'm sure the irony is lost on you.

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Not really. It's just that if you think the Sanders campaign is mainly driven by racism against Hillary Clinton, then you're dead wrong. For one thing, actual racists would tend to hate Sanders more than Clinton.

[dead0man]

I'm not offended; it's just an aggressively doltish post--in its wording, its presuppositions, its apparent belief that having a moral problem with prostitution is more offensive and more to be disclaimed than calling a woman a whore...

but a "corporate whore" has nothing at all do with sex or the gender of the person being called one.  But yeah, he shouldn't have used that word because it's too easy for people to focus on "oh you called a woman a whore!" and ignore the fact that Hillary is bought and paid for.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'm not offended; it's just an aggressively doltish post--in its wording, its presuppositions, its apparent belief that having a moral problem with prostitution is more offensive and more to be disclaimed than calling a woman a whore...

but a "corporate whore" has nothing at all do with sex or the gender of the person being called one.  But yeah, he shouldn't have used that word because it's too easy for people to focus on "oh you called a woman a whore!" and ignore the fact that Hillary is bought and paid for.

Words take on different connotations depending on who they are addressed to. I don't think that's a particularly difficult concept to grasp.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

https://berniesanders.com/urgency-moral-economy-reflections-anniversary-centesimus-annus/


That very interesting text by Sanders made me wonder how actually support of non-Hispanic Catholics is divided between Sanders and Clinton? Do you think there might be still people who are something more than cultural Catholics and such activities like trip (I am trying to not call in pilgrimage as Sanders is Jew) to Rome and as we can se a lot of attention given to Catholic social teaching  can somehow be connected to the internal Democratic Party campaign?

Well, I'm probably not the only Catholic that would find it ironic to see a socialist speak at an academic conference for a paper by Pope John Paul II, who was one of the most prominent opponents of Marxism and communism during his time in office.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

If we could ban alcohol, 95% of all crime would instantly disappear, I would wager!!

[Figueira]

If we could ban alcohol, 95% of all crime would instantly disappear, I would wager!!

It worked so well the last time we tried that!

[Landslide Lyndon]

As Obama's VP, Biden would have gotten Clinton's current level of support among African Americans leaving her with almost no base other than old white women. Probably looking at a Biden-Sanders race right now.

That was not going to happen, lol. Maybe if Obama outright endorsed and campaigned for Biden, but word on the street was that he preferred Hillary over him.

No. Obama hates Hillary. He can't stand her or Bill; if Biden was in the race, he totally would have endorsed Biden, even though he didn't really like him. And Biden definitely would be doing as well as Sanders, if not better.

[The Last Northerner]

How would Obama not endorse his own sitting Vice President?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Can we stop polluting this thread, please?

[Landslide Lyndon]

How would Obama not endorse his own sitting Vice President?

How could Reagan not endorse his sitting Vice President in 1988?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

How would Obama not endorse his own sitting Vice President?

How could Reagan not endorse his sitting Vice President in 1988?

Alzheimer's

[Figueira]

I'm posting this here because of the "Jewish" part.

A Jewish former banker? No way the Bernie Bros would support him, after the kind of disgusting campaign Sanders has been running.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

this is, like, at least four nested layers of garbage

If a woman going to a party is "putting herself in obvious danger" then there is something pretty fcked up about your party culture.

Hi, foreigner.  I've never been to your country.  So I take your word for it you guys only have one kind of party over there.  Here in America we literally have an infinite variety of parties and yes the culture surrounding some of those parties is "pretty fcked up" as you put it.  It got lost in all this ridiculous noise but that really is the point.  Heroin parties might be cool and safe for small children in your wonderful country but here in America they are frowned upon as are certain other categories of parties.  Ice cream parties and wine tastings are much more accepted over here and according to scientific data are less rapey.

I totally get that you don't know anything about our country, but what I find bizarre is your incessant need to comment on it.

Kasich was referring to a particular kind of ILLEGAL party and just paraphrased the NIH and multiple city and state ordinances and advised the young lady who asked, to steer clear.  It is pretty normal for someone running for the job of chief law enforcement officer of the land to advise minors to follow the law in this country.  I realize it may be different where you live.

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http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/special-populations-co-occurring-disorders/underage-drinking

I'm curious does anyone on this forum think Hilary Clinton or Obama would advise there 18 year old daughter to go to a frat party with excessive underage drinking?!  Is Kasich's advice to this woman and to his own daughters different than what Hilary Clinton or Obama would say?  I mean I don't know what W Bush said to his daughters but we all know how that turned out.

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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washdc/2001-05-31-bushdaughters.htm

Or is it you just prefer politicians to say one thing behind closed doors to their daughters and say the exact opposite thing to your daughter's face when she needs advice?  Is that what the Atlas hair on fire crowd wants?  Politicians to lie to our daughters?

Don't go to parties with a lot of alcohol IS basically saying don't socialize.

They have a lot of alcohol at wine tastings.  You honestly think he was telling 30 year old female advertising executives in NYC not to go to wine tastings with their physician/lawyer/investment banker boyfriends?  Or perhaps you want to take another crack at that... this time in context?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

this is, like, at least four nested layers of garbage

If a woman going to a party is "putting herself in obvious danger" then there is something pretty fcked up about your party culture.

Hi, foreigner.  I've never been to your country.  So I take your word for it you guys only have one kind of party over there.  Here in America we literally have an infinite variety of parties and yes the culture surrounding some of those parties is "pretty fcked up" as you put it.  It got lost in all this ridiculous noise but that really is the point.  Heroin parties might be cool and safe for small children in your wonderful country but here in America they are frowned upon as are certain other categories of parties.  Ice cream parties and wine tastings are much more accepted over here and according to scientific data are less rapey.

I totally get that you don't know anything about our country, but what I find bizarre is your incessant need to comment on it.

Kasich was referring to a particular kind of ILLEGAL party and just paraphrased the NIH and multiple city and state ordinances and advised the young lady who asked, to steer clear.  It is pretty normal for someone running for the job of chief law enforcement officer of the land to advise minors to follow the law in this country.  I realize it may be different where you live.

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http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/special-populations-co-occurring-disorders/underage-drinking

I'm curious does anyone on this forum think Hilary Clinton or Obama would advise there 18 year old daughter to go to a frat party with excessive underage drinking?!  Is Kasich's advice to this woman and to his own daughters different than what Hilary Clinton or Obama would say?  I mean I don't know what W Bush said to his daughters but we all know how that turned out.

You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washdc/2001-05-31-bushdaughters.htm

Or is it you just prefer politicians to say one thing behind closed doors to their daughters and say the exact opposite thing to your daughter's face when she needs advice?  Is that what the Atlas hair on fire crowd wants?  Politicians to lie to our daughters?

Don't go to parties with a lot of alcohol IS basically saying don't socialize.

They have a lot of alcohol at wine tastings.  You honestly think he was telling 30 year old female advertising executives in NYC not to go to wine tastings with their physician/lawyer/investment banker boyfriends?  Or perhaps you want to take another crack at that... this time in context?

Heh. I thought he'd been banned.

[Antonio the Sixth]

jesus

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Obama, where are your drones when we need them?

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Well, it's been a good run. Time to rename the thread.

[Kingpoleon]

How would Obama not endorse his own sitting Vice President?

How could Reagan not endorse his sitting Vice President in 1988?

Alzheimer's

As a Democrat, he should know that.

In all seriousness, Bush was having minor primary challengers. Meanwhile, it seems to me quite obvious that Obama would at least support Biden privately and be known to, even if he didn't say so publicly. There's no way he would endorse Clinton.

[Mr. Morden]

In all seriousness, Bush was having minor primary challengers.

Dole was, at least briefly, seen as a pretty serious threat to Bush.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

In all seriousness, Bush was having minor primary challengers.

Dole was, at least briefly, seen as a pretty serious threat to Bush.

Especially after winning Iowa. Bush campaign was fighting for their lives in New Hampshire and prevailed, in no small part due to going negative.

And, btw, Bradley was also, briefly, seen as a serious threat to Gore in 2000. Poor bastard was unable to make use of his New Hampshire performance, because media was talking about McCain only.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Trump is not a paleoconservative. In fact, Trump is a progressive democrat in GOP clothing.

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Don't know which thread it was in, but he also claimed Quayle would have won over Bentsen and Gore in '88 and '92, respectively.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

34% AFD
32% Die Linke
17% SPD
17% CDU

There we go. The delicious rainbow of total chaos.

The first two under this scenario would find it easy to join. For most practical purposes, from where I stand, they are the same, anyway.

The Left is pro-migrant and AfD is anti-migrant. The Left is left and the AfD is free market libertarian. How on earth are they the same to you?

Both are anti-liberal, and that is the only thing that matters.