Hypothetical Bush impeachment vote, 2007

[morgieb]

Well, he has more of a case than Obama or Clinton.

[LeBron]

Aye. One step closer to a President Pelosi.

[PiMp DaDdy FitzGerald]

Once you impeach Bush, you impeach Obama, so Nay (D).

[H. Ross Peron]

Nay (D)

[Goldwater]

NAY (R)

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Aye, and Aye to Cheney's impeachment too.

[Sopranos Republican]

Aye (I/O) (D), promptly impeach Cheney next.

[morgieb]

Relucant Aye vote, mainly because I think Iraq/Guantanamo/etc. is enough to impeach, but I don't want to feel like a hack.

[MurrayBannerman]

Once we start impeaching presidents because we don't like them, our political system will collapse.

[bedstuy]

I don't think you impeach someone because you disagree with them.  That's what elections are for.  Part of living in a civilized society is respecting the rule of law.  Bush was a horrible President, but he didn't break the law or do anything meriting impeachment.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I don't think you impeach someone because you disagree with them.  That's what elections are for.  Part of living in a civilized society is respecting the rule of law.  Bush was a horrible President, but he didn't break the law or do anything meriting impeachment.

Falsifying evidence and starting a war based on lies?

[Morning in Atlas]

I don't think you impeach someone because you disagree with them.  That's what elections are for.  Part of living in a civilized society is respecting the rule of law.  Bush was a horrible President, but he didn't break the law or do anything meriting impeachment.

Tell that to Darryl Metcalfe.

[TNF]

I don't think you impeach someone because you disagree with them.  That's what elections are for.  Part of living in a civilized society is respecting the rule of law.  Bush was a horrible President, but he didn't break the law or do anything meriting impeachment.

Violating international law multiple times?

[bedstuy]

I don't think you impeach someone because you disagree with them.  That's what elections are for.  Part of living in a civilized society is respecting the rule of law.  Bush was a horrible President, but he didn't break the law or do anything meriting impeachment.

Falsifying evidence and starting a war based on lies?

It's not that simple.  The Bush administration thought there were WMD in Iraq.  They may have also overstated, lied and deceived about the intelligence.  But, that's also complicated because the intelligence is largely secret.  Ultimately, it's perhaps the biggest blunder ever by a President, but it's not a crime or deliberate malice or treason. 

I don't think you impeach someone because you disagree with them.  That's what elections are for.  Part of living in a civilized society is respecting the rule of law.  Bush was a horrible President, but he didn't break the law or do anything meriting impeachment.

Violating international law multiple times?

There's a few answers to that. 

One, which international law are you taking about?  The only arguable one is if you consider invading Iraq to be a war of aggression.  It's a gray area, but I would say Iraq doesn't qualify because Iraq was guilty of genocide, crimes against humanity and various other things.  Just because something is horrible doesn't mean it's illegal.

Two, the US Congress doesn't get to make ex post facto international law.  That's unfair and outside their Constitutional role because foreign policy is under the executive branch.

[BaconBacon96]

Aye (I/O) (D), promptly impeach Cheney next.

[Cory]

Ever hear of the Iraq War?

Ever hear of Congressional Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq?

How about torture?

It's bad and all, but we aren't going to impeach the President of the United States because terrorists were tortured. Good luck selling that to the public.

Blatantly impeaching both the President and VP after winning a mid-term is going to backfire. It will be seen by the American people as a coup.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

aye if cheney has already been impeached, doesn't seem safe otherwise

[MurrayBannerman]

I don't think you impeach someone because you disagree with them.  That's what elections are for.  Part of living in a civilized society is respecting the rule of law.  Bush was a horrible President, but he didn't break the law or do anything meriting impeachment.

Violating international law multiple times?

Maybe they should take that up in the all-powerful, international courts! Oh wait...

International law means nothing to any world leader with a bit of power and self-interest.

[Supersonic]

Nay, for the same reasons I would vote no on a potential Obama impeachment.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Aye (D)

I don't agree with all the articles, but the ones concerning Irak war propaganda, prisoner torture, and the Plame affair seem pretty solid.

[NewYorkExpress]

Nay (D) to Bush but a very Enthusiast Aye to impeaching (and convicting) Cheney (who should have been the real target all along (and impeached based on the Plame affair alone)

[Antonio the Sixth]

Nay (D) to Bush but a very Enthusiast Aye to impeaching (and convicting) Cheney (who should have been the real target all along (and impeached based on the Plame affair alone)

Yeah, this is also very true.

However, if you are the President, no matter how much is actually your decision or whether you're being manipulated, you are ultimately fully responsible for everything your administration does. This is how the executive is designed.

[Boris]

I'm pretty sure at the time I favored keeping him in place to maximize the chances of a Democratic victory in 2008 (which, as those who remember such ancient history, was not a surefire thing until ~9/15/2008).

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

I'm pretty sure at the time I favored keeping him in place to maximize the chances of a Democratic victory in 2008 (which, as those who remember such ancient history, was not a surefire thing until ~9/15/2008).

You don't think Cheney would have produced a much larger victory for Democrats in 2008?

[Prince of Salem]

Uh, charges? ^^