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Morning in Atlas
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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2014, 05:49:47 PM »
Only if you vote for me in 2032.
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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2014, 06:15:57 PM »
Again, DevotedDemocrat, what does it mean to be liberal to you?
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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2014, 07:29:44 PM »
I'm optimistic. The conservative revolution can't last forever, can it?
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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2014, 09:59:49 PM »
My point regarding HRC wasn't that she wasn't going to be some Bernie Sanders but that she might embrace somewhat more centre-left policies (possibly a German-style multi-payer healthcare, more bank regulations such as "Too Big to Fail", infrastructure spending, marijuana legalization) due to a shift in the Overton Window to the left.
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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2014, 10:02:11 PM »
Quote from: Rep. Deus on January 11, 2014, 04:57:41 PM
Quote from: Zioneer on January 11, 2014, 02:26:20 PM
Quote from: Vosem on January 11, 2014, 01:39:41 PM
I highly, highly doubt you'll see anyone acting any further to the left than Obama. Where he is? Sure, but I don't think you'll see further.

Obama is not left-wing, even by the standards of American politics.
By the standards of American politics, the national Democratic Party is left-wing. Obama represents the mainstream of the national Democratic Party.

No, no.

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« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2014, 10:04:07 PM »
Quote from: National Progressive on January 11, 2014, 09:59:49 PM
My point regarding HRC wasn't that she wasn't going to be some Bernie Sanders but that she might embrace somewhat more centre-left policies (possibly a German-style multi-payer healthcare, more bank regulations such as "Too Big to Fail", infrastructure spending, marijuana legalization) due to a shift in the Overton Window to the left.
I highly doubt Hillary will be any more leftwing than Obama.

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Quote from: Rep. Deus on January 11, 2014, 04:57:41 PM
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Quote from: Vosem on January 11, 2014, 01:39:41 PM
I highly, highly doubt you'll see anyone acting any further to the left than Obama. Where he is? Sure, but I don't think you'll see further.

Obama is not left-wing, even by the standards of American politics.
By the standards of American politics, the national Democratic Party is left-wing. Obama represents the mainstream of the national Democratic Party.

No, no.

Democratic Party within American politics - Center
Democratic Party within worldwide politics - Center-right
Obama is center-left. He is also a huge pussy, so he governs like a centrist. The GOP, at its core, is center right, and the Democrats are center-left. The "we never had a true liberal" is annoying as all other "we never had true (insert ideology here)" arguments.
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« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2014, 10:52:11 PM »
I am strangely optimistic, but it probably won't be for another 6 years at the very least. 
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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2014, 11:53:09 PM »
Quote from: Accidental IDS Legislator Sanchez on January 11, 2014, 10:04:07 PM
Quote from: National Progressive on January 11, 2014, 09:59:49 PM
My point regarding HRC wasn't that she wasn't going to be some Bernie Sanders but that she might embrace somewhat more centre-left policies (possibly a German-style multi-payer healthcare, more bank regulations such as "Too Big to Fail", infrastructure spending, marijuana legalization) due to a shift in the Overton Window to the left.
I highly doubt Hillary will be any more leftwing than Obama.

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Quote from: Rep. Deus on January 11, 2014, 04:57:41 PM
Quote from: Zioneer on January 11, 2014, 02:26:20 PM
Quote from: Vosem on January 11, 2014, 01:39:41 PM
I highly, highly doubt you'll see anyone acting any further to the left than Obama. Where he is? Sure, but I don't think you'll see further.

Obama is not left-wing, even by the standards of American politics.
By the standards of American politics, the national Democratic Party is left-wing. Obama represents the mainstream of the national Democratic Party.

No, no.

Democratic Party within American politics - Center
Democratic Party within worldwide politics - Center-right
Obama is center-left. He is also a huge pussy, so he governs like a centrist. The GOP, at its core, is center right, and the Democrats are center-left. The "we never had a true liberal" is annoying as all other "we never had true (insert ideology here)" arguments.

Fair enough. Wimpy center-left doesn't mean "liberal" in the way that both right and left mean it, though.
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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2014, 09:28:20 AM »
We have one right now.
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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2014, 12:10:05 PM »

You don't count as a liberal if you govern to the right of Richard Nixon. Tongue
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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2014, 01:48:52 PM »
Quote from: IceSpear on January 13, 2014, 12:10:05 PM

You don't count as a liberal if you govern to the right of Richard Nixon. Tongue

>implying liberals have an ideology
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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2014, 08:40:54 PM »
We already have one...
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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2014, 08:39:59 PM »
Quote from: IceSpear on January 13, 2014, 12:10:05 PM

You don't count as a liberal if you govern to the right of Richard Nixon. Tongue
Umm...how has President Obama done that?
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Morning in Atlas
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« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2014, 08:57:20 PM »
Quote from: IceSpear on January 13, 2014, 12:10:05 PM

You don't count as a liberal if you govern to the right of Richard Nixon. Tongue

Not this again.
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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2014, 10:21:57 PM »
Quote from: Oldiesfreak1854 on January 15, 2014, 08:39:59 PM
Quote from: IceSpear on January 13, 2014, 12:10:05 PM

You don't count as a liberal if you govern to the right of Richard Nixon. Tongue
Umm...how has President Obama done that?

Obama's signature acheivement is to the right of Nixon's healthcare plan.
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« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2014, 02:25:07 AM »
Quote from: DevotedDemocrat on January 11, 2014, 02:32:59 AM
By "truly Liberal", I mean a President as left wing in his or her ideology as FDR or Lyndon Johnson--and acts like it, too; doesn't swing or cave to the right in the way Carter, Clinton and Obama did.

Yes. definitely. And several. In my opinion, Obama is already one. Bill wasn't though, for me he was just a moderate with certain left-leaning sympathies.
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« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2014, 02:57:12 PM »
"True Liberalism" died a long long time ago.
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