Foreign Policy Review (Rejected)

[DemPGH]

FWIW, I think the left and right are largely both half right and half wrong on Israel. The right generally has a whacked view of Israel, but the left seeing Israel as a kind of aggressor is something I don't always agree with. I mean, I think Islam sometimes gets a free pass from the left when it should not, and the Palestinians are seen as victims when it should not always be seen that way.

Israel is in some ways more secular than we are, and they are dealing with people in the Palestinians who, were the situation reversed, the USA would have just wiped out. So we need to look at both sides in that situation. That's a war. Israel took that territory after a battle that lasted six days, so are they entitled to it? Well, I don't know. If it were the USA, we would feel entitled to it, yes. That's all I'm prepared to say. Because it's a touchy issue.

In the final analysis, there is unnecessary violence on both sides, but Israel is an actual ally in that volatile, fanatic-laden region. And we can only blame Western capitalism and the Western hegemony so much. Should Israel have a rubber stamp from us? Certainly no. But are they the bad guys? Certainly no.

Yes, the United States did take a lot of land and committed genocide. But would you support that currently?

Well no. But I think we sometimes don't truly appreciate Israel's position. That is, to be a somewhat smallish country surrounded by others who deplore its existence, are technologically backward, and often choose an extremely poor interpretation of an already oppressive religion, one that calls them to fight to the death against that which offends their holy book. It would be pretty harrowing to have neighbors like that who support people taking potshots at you and throwing bombs.

I actually wrestle with the issue, but for purely secular reasons am usually supportive of and sympathetic toward Israel. Yes, they as well are responsible for unnecessary violence, so I agree with you that there is no clear "good guy."

I think the solution is generational, as in a new generation of people saying, "Enough's enough." Then we could work with them, but as it stands the Palestinians don't want peace and Israel is more than happy to bully them when they step out of line, so. The mutual hatred is too ingrained in those committed to carrying it on to reason them out of it. Forcing them to have meetings and discussions will ease it somewhat, but I don't know if it's much ado about nothing or not.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Those four amendments have been passed. Once the next batch is finished, we should get an updated text posted.

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I mentioned all eight in my PM and thus I am going to assume "all" really means "all" in this case.


Senators have 24 hours to object to the previous four amendments.

[Gass3268]

56:56 - Hostile, not willing to ease off of full military restrictions.

56:57 - Friendly

56:58 - Hostile, why do we not want relations with this Island nations? 

56:59 - Friendly

[MaxQue]

56:58 - Hostile, why do we not want relations with this Island nations? 

Gass, they are part of Atlasia (Oceania state, in the Pacific).

[Donerail]

56:58 - Hostile, why do we not want relations with this Island nations? 

Gass, they are part of Atlasia (Oceania state, in the Pacific).

Yup. They ascended to membership in the Republic of Atlasia under the terms of the Oceania Incorporation Act.

[Gass3268]

56:58 - Hostile, why do we not want relations with this Island nations? 

Gass, they are part of Atlasia (Oceania state, in the Pacific).

Yup. They ascended to membership in the Republic of Atlasia under the terms of the Oceania Incorporation Act.

I knew that we had a state of Oceania, but I didn't know what former nations that included. The amendment is friendly.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

56:56 - Hostile, not willing to ease off of full military restrictions.

56:57 - Friendly

56:58 - Hostile, why do we not want relations with this Island nations? 

56:59 - Friendly

This is why presumptiousness to save time doesn't always work and you have to go  by the book.

But hey, at least we don't have a problem here thanks to the timing.

I will start a vote on 56 and 58 in about 30 minutes. About twenty minutes left to object to the others.

[Talleyrand]

Gass has stated that 58 is friendly.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Gass has stated that 58 is friendly.

I didn't see the subsequent post.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

56:57, 56:58 and 56:59 have been adopted.

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Status: A vote is now open on the above amendment, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[MaxQue]

Aye

[TJ in Oregon]

Aye

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Aye

[Sbane]

Nay. The first step is for a settlement freeze and this amendment does not mandate that. Without it, I ask that my fellow Senators vote nay on this amendment.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

While I respect Senator Sbane's point, I would argue that evidence suggests that a settlement freeze would likely be a significant element of good-faith negotiations.

[tmthforu94]

Private efforts have been made to encourage the Israeli government to move in the appropriate regard, although I suppose one could consider the potential military sanctions the first "hard" move the administration is making in regards to relations with the nation.

Are there any records of when these private efforts took place, and what the result of them were? I can't find anything related to Israel in "The Global Enquirer".

[TNF]

Nay.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

[Talleyrand]

Private efforts have been made to encourage the Israeli government to move in the appropriate regard, although I suppose one could consider the potential military sanctions the first "hard" move the administration is making in regards to relations with the nation.

Are there any records of when these private efforts took place, and what the result of them were? I can't find anything related to Israel in "The Global Enquirer".

Usually the records of every private effort aren't immediately published in the official DoEA newspaper, although had some sort of movement been made, it would have definitely been announced in the paper (which will have some updates later this week).

[Gass3268]

Nay

Atlasia should not even be partially funding an illegal occupation. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I count 4-3

With Napoleon, Hagrid and Bore having yet to vote.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Oh for heaven's sake.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment 56:56:

Aye (4): MaxQue, NC Yankee, Polnut and TJ in Cleve
Nay (3): Gass3268, sbane and TNF
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (3): Bore, HagridoftheDeep and Napoleon

The amendment has passed.

Can we get a re-compilation of present text based on the amendments that have passes so far.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I really hope things pick up now that the election is over.